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I just dont see what White offers that is not already in the squad. Yes Maguire is not fit, but you have Stones, Mings, Coady that play CB, and both Walker and James that can play CB. We played with 5 at the back in the last tournament and Walker played in the 3, so makes the choice even more pointless. We are taking 10 defenders which seems mental.
JWP should have been a nailed on pick once TAA was injured. Fantastic dead ball deliveries, and with Henderson not fit we are light in midfield.
JWP should have been a nailed on pick once TAA was injured. Fantastic dead ball deliveries, and with Henderson not fit we are light in midfield.
48k said:
Sounds like Ben White has got the nod. 
It's good Ben White got in, as frankly he is a cracking player.It just seems we have too many defensive players and Southgate is going grind out results. If it works then fair play, however if we don't make it out of the last 16 there'll be some complaints.
Ben White is used to playing in back 3. Is better than Mings (who isn't!) too.
But I suspect a main reason is that he can also play holding centre midfield (which he did the other day before TAA got injured).
Personally, I think Southgate should have got rid of Mings too and put in someone like JWP.
The main issue England have is poor preparation. The last game or two before the competition, we should be pretty much playing with final 11 (I understand Ctiy/Chelsea players couldn't play but still..) in the formation preferred (back 3, but the last game playing back 4), we've had last few years to "practice" which formation he wants. The last game should be fine tuning, not experimenting..
Also, selecting a few injured/unfit players isn't wise either. I'd understand one if it was a Messi/Ronaldo quality player that worth gambling on, but not someone like Maguire (we may be knocked out before he is ready, and if we do get through you wouldn't want to change the defensive setup that late, so why bother!) Also, there are others of decent quality (Tarkowrski, Dunk, Webster etc.) all of which are not injured and fit.
But I suspect a main reason is that he can also play holding centre midfield (which he did the other day before TAA got injured).
Personally, I think Southgate should have got rid of Mings too and put in someone like JWP.
The main issue England have is poor preparation. The last game or two before the competition, we should be pretty much playing with final 11 (I understand Ctiy/Chelsea players couldn't play but still..) in the formation preferred (back 3, but the last game playing back 4), we've had last few years to "practice" which formation he wants. The last game should be fine tuning, not experimenting..
Also, selecting a few injured/unfit players isn't wise either. I'd understand one if it was a Messi/Ronaldo quality player that worth gambling on, but not someone like Maguire (we may be knocked out before he is ready, and if we do get through you wouldn't want to change the defensive setup that late, so why bother!) Also, there are others of decent quality (Tarkowrski, Dunk, Webster etc.) all of which are not injured and fit.
Words almost fail me.
I have nothing against Ben White, in fact you can make a case for him being in the squad ahead of Mings but to give JWP the chance of getting on to the plane, for him to then take that chance and create opportunities through his set pieces for others, and still he doesn't pick him?
I want no excuses from Southgate whenever we get knocked out as to players being out of position, overcooked, undercooked, long seasons etc. He has passed up the chance of picking arguably the best set piece taker in the Prem, someone who has played 320 games at the age of 26, rarely injure, captain at his club and who can actually take a pen (Hendo, you t
t) to replace him with someone who made their debut last Wednesday.
I have nothing against Ben White, in fact you can make a case for him being in the squad ahead of Mings but to give JWP the chance of getting on to the plane, for him to then take that chance and create opportunities through his set pieces for others, and still he doesn't pick him?
I want no excuses from Southgate whenever we get knocked out as to players being out of position, overcooked, undercooked, long seasons etc. He has passed up the chance of picking arguably the best set piece taker in the Prem, someone who has played 320 games at the age of 26, rarely injure, captain at his club and who can actually take a pen (Hendo, you t
t) to replace him with someone who made their debut last Wednesday.The Hypno-Toad said:
White? Monumentally stupid decision, total waste of a replacement, Ward Prowse must be particularly furious.
As is Lingard I imagine (who has played so well since his move), still I guess White will cover for the injured Maguire. Like others, I have little interest in the tournament and think we will struggle with Czech Rep and Croatia in the group, I imagine Scotland will be well up for it too! 
I'm sure it was Southgate who said at the outset, it was all about picking players who are playing for their clubs and in form etc etc and yet here we are, with injured players (Maguire) and Henderson (OK now, back from injury but hasn't played since February apart from 45 minutes last night) and then there are players like Sterling in the squad who has been rubbish for City for months. We'll do nothing in this tournament.
ChocolateFrog said:
Old Man Fred said:
GloverMart said:
He didn't give Lingard and Watkins very long tonight so I wonder whether that was because he knows they aren't going.
Depressing to hear Ashley Cole after the game saying he'd play Rashford and Sterling alongside Kane v Croatia. Neither of them should be anywhere near starting next Sunday.
i think it was Lee Dixon commentating and he was singing Rashfords praises but he was awful, lost the ball 5 times in the opening 20 mins trying to go past 3 people and was no threat at all.Depressing to hear Ashley Cole after the game saying he'd play Rashford and Sterling alongside Kane v Croatia. Neither of them should be anywhere near starting next Sunday.
AS mentioned, Ben white has got the nod for the extra place, i think he should have replaced Mings with White and then taken JWP as he played really well, broke up play in a defensive capacity and looked composed on the ball not to mention his set pieces.
My enthusiasm for the tournament is getting lower and lower, i can see us losing to Scotland for sure
Dracoro said:
But I suspect a main reason is that he can also play holding centre midfield (which he did the other day before TAA got injured).
The main issue England have is poor preparation. The last game or two before the competition, we should be pretty much playing with final 11 (I understand Ctiy/Chelsea players couldn't play but still..) in the formation preferred (back 3, but the last game playing back 4), we've had last few years to "practice" which formation he wants. The last game should be fine tuning, not experimenting..
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If he has picked him because he can also play as a holding midfielder, then Southgate needs his head looking at. White plays as a CB and has played all season for Brighton at CB. This will be the same issue we had with Dier.The main issue England have is poor preparation. The last game or two before the competition, we should be pretty much playing with final 11 (I understand Ctiy/Chelsea players couldn't play but still..) in the formation preferred (back 3, but the last game playing back 4), we've had last few years to "practice" which formation he wants. The last game should be fine tuning, not experimenting..
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I agree on your point about warm up games. If we start with 5 at the back against Croatia you have to think what is the point.
Challo said:
If he has picked him because he can also play as a holding midfielder, then Southgate needs his head looking at. White plays as a CB and has played all season for Brighton at CB. This will be the same issue we had with Dier.
I agree on your point about warm up games. If we start with 5 at the back against Croatia you have to think what is the point.
Completely agree. If Southgate wants a good holding midfielder, JWP's your man. To take White as cover for Maguire tells you that Maguire isn't fit in the first place.I agree on your point about warm up games. If we start with 5 at the back against Croatia you have to think what is the point.
Surely the right thing to do is to remove Henderson and Maguire from the squad ("sorry lads, we can't include unfit players") and replace them with JWP and White?
As for the Croatia game, we'll play a back five - Southgate will tell the wing backs to be cautious - with Henderson/Phillips and Rice holding. Effectively a back seven, passing the ball backwards and sideways to each other, leading to a drab 0-0 draw. In fact, I can see three draws in the group stage with us playing exactly the same boring way right through. Ah well, good to have low expectations perhaps.
Challo said:
Dracoro said:
But I suspect a main reason is that he can also play holding centre midfield (which he did the other day before TAA got injured).
The main issue England have is poor preparation. The last game or two before the competition, we should be pretty much playing with final 11 (I understand Ctiy/Chelsea players couldn't play but still..) in the formation preferred (back 3, but the last game playing back 4), we've had last few years to "practice" which formation he wants. The last game should be fine tuning, not experimenting..
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If he has picked him because he can also play as a holding midfielder, then Southgate needs his head looking at. White plays as a CB and has played all season for Brighton at CB. This will be the same issue we had with Dier.The main issue England have is poor preparation. The last game or two before the competition, we should be pretty much playing with final 11 (I understand Ctiy/Chelsea players couldn't play but still..) in the formation preferred (back 3, but the last game playing back 4), we've had last few years to "practice" which formation he wants. The last game should be fine tuning, not experimenting..
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Brave Fart said:
Challo said:
If he has picked him because he can also play as a holding midfielder, then Southgate needs his head looking at. White plays as a CB and has played all season for Brighton at CB. This will be the same issue we had with Dier.
I agree on your point about warm up games. If we start with 5 at the back against Croatia you have to think what is the point.
Completely agree. If Southgate wants a good holding midfielder, JWP's your man. To take White as cover for Maguire tells you that Maguire isn't fit in the first place.I agree on your point about warm up games. If we start with 5 at the back against Croatia you have to think what is the point.
Surely the right thing to do is to remove Henderson and Maguire from the squad ("sorry lads, we can't include unfit players") and replace them with JWP and White?
As for the Croatia game, we'll play a back five - Southgate will tell the wing backs to be cautious - with Henderson/Phillips and Rice holding. Effectively a back seven, passing the ball backwards and sideways to each other, leading to a drab 0-0 draw. In fact, I can see three draws in the group stage with us playing exactly the same boring way right through. Ah well, good to have low expectations perhaps.
Henderson showed himself up yesterday, pulling rank on DCL. Hopefully Southgate will put him back in his box today at training..... a shame as I genuinely think Henderson is under rated but that was nothing short of an arrogant stunt yesterday. I did like Roy Keane's take on Henderson yesterday though...
https://twitter.com/FootyAccums/status/14015689523...
Edited by GloverMart on Monday 7th June 12:07
Brave Fart said:
Completely agree. If Southgate wants a good holding midfielder, JWP's your man. To take White as cover for Maguire tells you that Maguire isn't fit in the first place.
Surely the right thing to do is to remove Henderson and Maguire from the squad ("sorry lads, we can't include unfit players") and replace them with JWP and White?
As for the Croatia game, we'll play a back five - Southgate will tell the wing backs to be cautious - with Henderson/Phillips and Rice holding. Effectively a back seven, passing the ball backwards and sideways to each other, leading to a drab 0-0 draw. In fact, I can see three draws in the group stage with us playing exactly the same boring way right through. Ah well, good to have low expectations perhaps.
No, no, no. You’ve got it all wrong. Passing the ball about aimlessly in midfield and at the back is what football’s all about now. No need to entertain, no need to score goals, just possession, possession, possession and boost those individual Opta stats. Maybe occasionally try to kick the ball into an opponents arm in the box and scream for a penalty, or fall over if someone comes near you. Surely the right thing to do is to remove Henderson and Maguire from the squad ("sorry lads, we can't include unfit players") and replace them with JWP and White?
As for the Croatia game, we'll play a back five - Southgate will tell the wing backs to be cautious - with Henderson/Phillips and Rice holding. Effectively a back seven, passing the ball backwards and sideways to each other, leading to a drab 0-0 draw. In fact, I can see three draws in the group stage with us playing exactly the same boring way right through. Ah well, good to have low expectations perhaps.
GloverMart said:
Henderson showed himself up yesterday, pulling rank on DCL. Hopefully Southgate will put him back in his box today at training..... a shame as I genuinely think Henderson is under rated but that was nothing short of an arrogant stunt yesterday. I did like Roy Keane's take on Henderson yesterday though...
https://twitter.com/FootyAccums/status/14015689523...
And hardly helped by the fact that Henderson plays for Liverpool and DCL for Everton....https://twitter.com/FootyAccums/status/14015689523...
And
at Keane saying it like it is. He's right as well.Maguire and Henderson shouldn't even be in the squad, because they are not fit and Henderson especially as not even match fit with being out so long.
Same old same old with England.....
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