The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 6]
Discussion
Trabi601 said:
DeltonaS said:
Reality is Ibra and Micky have been outstanding buys, without them things looked different now.
Why do people always say stuff like this?Did anyone think he was signing them just to make up numbers? - every player you sign is being signed because you believe they're going to be part of the jigsaw that wins stuff.
Frimley111R said:
Alpinestars said:
Rooney has always been overrated in my view.
So the highest scoring player of all time for us is 'over rated'??!! Have a word with yourself.He's also England's highest scorer. I doubt most Engerland fans would have him in their top 10 players.
Edited by Alpinestars on Monday 27th February 15:56
Alpinestars said:
I doubt most Engerland fans would have him in their top 10 players.
You know of course, that most England fans for some weird reason, tend to despise United players. Probably due to the success they've enjoyed over their domestic teams. Edited by Alpinestars on Monday 27th February 15:56
I would therefore agree with your statement, but that doesn't make them right.
I think Rooney has largely been incredible for us and England and we're lucky to have/have had him.
DeltonaS said:
Reality......and Micky have been outstanding buys
Really? Micky is a lovely player to watch, I could watch him all day, but has he been an "outstanding buy", I'd say he's been a good buy and if we get a good few seasons out of him and he's instrumental in us winning multiple trophies then I'd go with "outstanding". Hard to argue that Ibra's not been outstanding (I think he could/should be on 35 goals now!) but he was free of charge and so it's hard to argue against him!
Alpinestars said:
DeltonaS said:
But what you believe doesn't always work....
I expected Depay doing a lot better than he did for example, I didn't expect DiMaria to leave that early, Pogba is he doing as expected or should we judge him at the end of next season ? Rooney is he still delevering ? Mata ? etc.
That's why you're an armchair pundit who's finding it very hard to congratulate Maureen on turning it around in a matter of months. An admitting you were wrong. I expected Depay doing a lot better than he did for example, I didn't expect DiMaria to leave that early, Pogba is he doing as expected or should we judge him at the end of next season ? Rooney is he still delevering ? Mata ? etc.
2 pies was s
t for the most part, and his attitude even worse. Pog was immense yesterday and will get better and better. Rooney has always been overrated in my view.
Mata, what about him? Far better under Maureen than LVG.
And what did JM actually turn around, he invested in a couple of WC players, that's what he did.
But I do admit, I enjoy watching United games more than under LvG. JM let's them play more freely.
But LvG was building, like he did at Ajax and Bayern, with a combination of young talent and proven players. Except with a difference, United lacked those proven quality players. Rooney and Mata didn't carry the team, DiMaria left quickly. LvG lacked goals and time.
It's mainly Ibra who turned things around. Messi decided this weekends game against Atletico, not Enrique.
And yes Mata performs better under Maureen than under LvG, but the youngsters like Martial, Rashford, Darmian, Shaw and Fosuh Mensah f.i., less so, if they even get any playing time at all. And Fellatio is less effective as well, certainly as CDM (LOL).
DeltonaS said:
Of course I'm an armchair pundit and so are you.
And what did JM actually turn around, he invested in a couple of WC players, that's what he did.
But I do admit, I enjoy watching United games more than under LvG. JM let's them play more freely.
But LvG was building, like he did at Ajax and Bayern, with a combination of young talent and proven players. Except with a difference, United lacked those proven quality players. Rooney and Mata didn't carry the team, DiMaria left quickly. LvG lacked goals and time.
It's mainly Ibra who turned things around. Messi decided this weekends game against Atletico, not Enrique.
And yes Mata performs better under Maureen than under LvG, but the youngsters like Martial, Rashford, Darmian, Shaw and Fosuh Mensah f.i., less so, if they even get any playing time at all. And Fellatio is less effective as well, certainly as CDM (LOL).
LVG was building what? And what did JM actually turn around, he invested in a couple of WC players, that's what he did.
But I do admit, I enjoy watching United games more than under LvG. JM let's them play more freely.
But LvG was building, like he did at Ajax and Bayern, with a combination of young talent and proven players. Except with a difference, United lacked those proven quality players. Rooney and Mata didn't carry the team, DiMaria left quickly. LvG lacked goals and time.
It's mainly Ibra who turned things around. Messi decided this weekends game against Atletico, not Enrique.
And yes Mata performs better under Maureen than under LvG, but the youngsters like Martial, Rashford, Darmian, Shaw and Fosuh Mensah f.i., less so, if they even get any playing time at all. And Fellatio is less effective as well, certainly as CDM (LOL).
Maureen has had to change the negative mindset that LVG instilled into the players, turn it round, and get the team playing in a much more effective way. Didn't you say Maureen would be getting rid of the youngsters, would be worse than LVG, more negative, 2 pies would be great etc etc. You've changed your tune somewhat.
Maureen could build a great team if he sticks around.
ORD said:
A thought that had occurred to me a few times this week: where are all the people who said it was arrogant to say Leicester have barely any good players? Surely they would want, in good grace, to accept that they have no clue 
Not the right time for that post ORD. Vardy has just scored 
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that timing..Alpinestars said:
DeltonaS said:
Of course I'm an armchair pundit and so are you.
And what did JM actually turn around, he invested in a couple of WC players, that's what he did.
But I do admit, I enjoy watching United games more than under LvG. JM let's them play more freely.
But LvG was building, like he did at Ajax and Bayern, with a combination of young talent and proven players. Except with a difference, United lacked those proven quality players. Rooney and Mata didn't carry the team, DiMaria left quickly. LvG lacked goals and time.
It's mainly Ibra who turned things around. Messi decided this weekends game against Atletico, not Enrique.
And yes Mata performs better under Maureen than under LvG, but the youngsters like Martial, Rashford, Darmian, Shaw and Fosuh Mensah f.i., less so, if they even get any playing time at all. And Fellatio is less effective as well, certainly as CDM (LOL).
LVG was building what? And what did JM actually turn around, he invested in a couple of WC players, that's what he did.
But I do admit, I enjoy watching United games more than under LvG. JM let's them play more freely.
But LvG was building, like he did at Ajax and Bayern, with a combination of young talent and proven players. Except with a difference, United lacked those proven quality players. Rooney and Mata didn't carry the team, DiMaria left quickly. LvG lacked goals and time.
It's mainly Ibra who turned things around. Messi decided this weekends game against Atletico, not Enrique.
And yes Mata performs better under Maureen than under LvG, but the youngsters like Martial, Rashford, Darmian, Shaw and Fosuh Mensah f.i., less so, if they even get any playing time at all. And Fellatio is less effective as well, certainly as CDM (LOL).
Maureen has had to change the negative mindset that LVG instilled into the players, turn it round, and get the team playing in a much more effective way. Didn't you say Maureen would be getting rid of the youngsters, would be worse than LVG, more negative, 2 pies would be great etc etc. You've changed your tune somewhat.
Maureen could build a great team if he sticks around.
Remember Maureen presenting a list of youngsters at the beginning of the season, it never happened....
Good article by The Guardian today on the depandancy of United on Ibra:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/feb...
"The suggestion is that this United team have what pre-Suárez, pre-Neymar Barcelona fans might recognise as Zlatan-dependiencia. Sixteen times this season Ibrahimovic has scored the goal that won, sealed or saved a game. He has 15 goals in the league. Wayne Rooney, Rashford, Memphis Depay, Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Jesse Lingard, Fellaini and Martial have 11 between the lot of them. Take Zlatan out – and there is no clear sign yet he’ll be here longer than the next 13 league games – and it’s hard to pin down any obvious progress in attacking rhythms, or a sense of some emergent team identity."
Heard it all before.
Without Rooney, you'd have won nothing.
Without van Persie, you'd have won nothing.
Without Ronaldo, you'd have won nothing.
Without van Nistlerooy, you'd have won nothing.
Without Cantona, you'd have won nothing.
Even further back, I'm sure we've been told we were too dependable on OGS, McClair, Hughes, etc., etc.
I mean, where would we have been without Law, Charlton, Best?
It's not really a surprise when a prolific striker scores winning goals - you don't sign people like Zlatan without the expectation that he's going to win games for you.
Without Rooney, you'd have won nothing.
Without van Persie, you'd have won nothing.
Without Ronaldo, you'd have won nothing.
Without van Nistlerooy, you'd have won nothing.
Without Cantona, you'd have won nothing.
Even further back, I'm sure we've been told we were too dependable on OGS, McClair, Hughes, etc., etc.
I mean, where would we have been without Law, Charlton, Best?
It's not really a surprise when a prolific striker scores winning goals - you don't sign people like Zlatan without the expectation that he's going to win games for you.
DeltonaS said:
Negative mindset ? maybe he was asking too much of a group of players lacking quality....
Yes, very negative. I'll let you compare the chances we've created this year versus last. We've already had significantly more shots on target than last year. You're missing the bit where LVG was given significant money to improve the squad. He couldn't, either because he didn't buy well, and/or was very negative.
Look at Maureen's signings, all have been pretty good for us.
Has Maureen been more effective than LVG? Has he made more effective signings? Is the football we are playing (significantly) better than last year?
Trabi601 said:
Heard it all before.
Without Rooney, you'd have won nothing.
Without van Persie, you'd have won nothing.
Without Ronaldo, you'd have won nothing.
Without van Nistlerooy, you'd have won nothing.
Without Cantona, you'd have won nothing.
Even further back, I'm sure we've been told we were too dependable on OGS, McClair, Hughes, etc., etc.
I mean, where would we have been without Law, Charlton, Best?
It's not really a surprise when a prolific striker scores winning goals - you don't sign people like Zlatan without the expectation that he's going to win games for you.
Bang on. A futile argument as we don't know what we would have done with a different striker. Without Rooney, you'd have won nothing.
Without van Persie, you'd have won nothing.
Without Ronaldo, you'd have won nothing.
Without van Nistlerooy, you'd have won nothing.
Without Cantona, you'd have won nothing.
Even further back, I'm sure we've been told we were too dependable on OGS, McClair, Hughes, etc., etc.
I mean, where would we have been without Law, Charlton, Best?
It's not really a surprise when a prolific striker scores winning goals - you don't sign people like Zlatan without the expectation that he's going to win games for you.
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