Harry Rednapp - England Manager?
Discussion
VXRuss said:
Capello is far from an idiot, how much does he get paid?!? but, he's achieved nothing at England, his team selections have been all over the place and can't wait for him to finish up this year.
Harry has a great personality and he will motivate players so much more than Capello, who has struggled with the language since he started, so the sooner Harry gets in, the better I feel we'll start to be as an international force.
Sorry VXR, but I dont get your point, what does his salary have to do with it? Its true he has won nothing with England, but the FIFA rankings suggest we have improved under him, not to mention his Serie A and La Liga record. Hiddink, Scolari all good managers who did poorly at the last world cup and Scolari was crap at Chelsea. Like for like Harry cannot compare to Capello, who even with his poor english has an impressive win record with england. Harry, despite his motivational skills has won the Intertoto and FA cup in 35 years as a manager. After Sven, fans clambered for an Englsihman and employed the dire Mclaren, who looked good at Middleborough. And what about his upcoming court case, do you overlook that as well? Roy Hodgson, O`Neill and Moyes are surely better candidates?Harry has a great personality and he will motivate players so much more than Capello, who has struggled with the language since he started, so the sooner Harry gets in, the better I feel we'll start to be as an international force.
Edited by Jetl3on on Tuesday 10th January 15:03
His opinion is just as valid as ours, so its worth a read.
http://tribalfootball.com/articles/why-redknapp-to...
http://tribalfootball.com/articles/why-redknapp-to...
[quote=Jetl3on]
Sorry VXR, but I dont get your point, what does his salary have to do with it? Its true he has won nothing with England, but the FIFA rankings suggest we have improved under him, not to mention his Serie A and La Liga record. Hiddink, Scolari all good managers who did poorly at the last world cup and Scolari was crap at Chelsea. Like for like Harry cannot compare to Capello, who even with his poor english has an impressive win record with england. Harry, despite his motivational skills has won the Intertoto and FA cup in 35 years as a manager. After Sven, fans clambered for an Englsihman and employed the dire Mclaren, who looked good at Middleborough. And what about his upcoming court case, do you overlook that as well? Roy Hodgson, O`Neill and Moyes are surely better candidates?
It was just a sarcastic comment to agree that Capello isn't daft taking £4m a year for doing, well nothing really, let's be honest, we couldn't have got much worse after McClown had a spell in charge, just see what he did at Forest.
Take Capellos win record for England, it has improved only because who we've played, just look at our performance in the world cup, nothing short of shocking and he should have been sacked pure and simple.
O'Neill would have been a great candidate I agree, not sure on Moyes or Hodgson however, but for me Harry just seems to do well wherever he goes, he seems to have an aura about him, and if they beat Everton they go second, that to me from a club that was near the bottom when he took over speaks volumes.
I think if Harry goes, you'll see Martin Jol back at WHL, I don't think he's come here just to manage Fulham.
Sorry VXR, but I dont get your point, what does his salary have to do with it? Its true he has won nothing with England, but the FIFA rankings suggest we have improved under him, not to mention his Serie A and La Liga record. Hiddink, Scolari all good managers who did poorly at the last world cup and Scolari was crap at Chelsea. Like for like Harry cannot compare to Capello, who even with his poor english has an impressive win record with england. Harry, despite his motivational skills has won the Intertoto and FA cup in 35 years as a manager. After Sven, fans clambered for an Englsihman and employed the dire Mclaren, who looked good at Middleborough. And what about his upcoming court case, do you overlook that as well? Roy Hodgson, O`Neill and Moyes are surely better candidates?
It was just a sarcastic comment to agree that Capello isn't daft taking £4m a year for doing, well nothing really, let's be honest, we couldn't have got much worse after McClown had a spell in charge, just see what he did at Forest.
Take Capellos win record for England, it has improved only because who we've played, just look at our performance in the world cup, nothing short of shocking and he should have been sacked pure and simple.
O'Neill would have been a great candidate I agree, not sure on Moyes or Hodgson however, but for me Harry just seems to do well wherever he goes, he seems to have an aura about him, and if they beat Everton they go second, that to me from a club that was near the bottom when he took over speaks volumes.
I think if Harry goes, you'll see Martin Jol back at WHL, I don't think he's come here just to manage Fulham.
VXRuss said:
It was just a sarcastic comment to agree that Capello isn't daft taking £4m a year for doing, well nothing really, let's be honest, we couldn't have got much worse after McClown had a spell in charge, just see what he did at Forest.
Take Capellos win record for England, it has improved only because who we've played, just look at our performance in the world cup, nothing short of shocking and he should have been sacked pure and simple.
O'Neill would have been a great candidate I agree, not sure on Moyes or Hodgson however, but for me Harry just seems to do well wherever he goes, he seems to have an aura about him, and if they beat Everton they go second, that to me from a club that was near the bottom when he took over speaks volumes.
I think if Harry goes, you'll see Martin Jol back at WHL, I don't think he's come here just to manage Fulham.
AH, ok, that went right over my head Take Capellos win record for England, it has improved only because who we've played, just look at our performance in the world cup, nothing short of shocking and he should have been sacked pure and simple.
O'Neill would have been a great candidate I agree, not sure on Moyes or Hodgson however, but for me Harry just seems to do well wherever he goes, he seems to have an aura about him, and if they beat Everton they go second, that to me from a club that was near the bottom when he took over speaks volumes.
I think if Harry goes, you'll see Martin Jol back at WHL, I don't think he's come here just to manage Fulham.
I honestly believe the players are responsible for the world cup disaster and Capello the scapegoat. Up to the tournament, they played brilliantly, qualifying top, everyone had us getting to the semis, who knew what was about to happen next? They collapsed under the weight of expectation of a nation, there is nothing Capello, Harry could do about that once they hit the field.
You want an Englishman, I want someone honest who does not have a hidden agenda, so how about we agree on O`Neill?
Jetl3on said:
You want an Englishman, I want someone honest who does not have a hidden agenda, so how about we agree on O`Neill?
He's not English. 
If you think the manager has little impact on an international team's performance then changing to a manager with lower wage demands makes sense.
Jetl3on said:
VXRuss said:
and if they beat Everton they go second
PS: Unless they beat everton by 14 goals, they stay 3rd on GD, according to my calculations.Yes O'Neill is Irish but we can't have him now, so back to Arry!
Hardly had a tough qualifying group though did we, I agree on the fact they have a nations expectations on their shoulders, but so do all nations don't they, Stuart Pearce hasn't got the experience, being a QPR supporter we can have Warnock as manager as I've heard he's down the job centre
Fittster said:
How do you know what involvement he had in the signing of VDV or Sandro? Are you saying that Levy decides who should be in the squad??
So you don't think Gomez didn't need to be replaced in goal?
Of the best starting 11 I'd say the following are 'arrys
GK - Redknapp - Friedel
RB - Redknapp - Walker
CB - King
CB - Depends if you think the second first choice CB is Dawson or Kaboul
LB - BAE
LW - Bale
CM - Redknapp - Parker
CM - Modric
RW - Lennon
FW - Redknapp - Defoe or VDV
FW - Redknapp - Adebayor
So of the first choice starting 11; 5 or 6 are 'arry's players.
True but the two stand out players are Modric and Bale...without them Spurs would be playing to their normal level of Top 6 finish. Parker and Walker are his two stand out buy's in my opinion...paid a lot of money for Parker given his age but been very well spent. So you don't think Gomez didn't need to be replaced in goal?
Of the best starting 11 I'd say the following are 'arrys
GK - Redknapp - Friedel
RB - Redknapp - Walker
CB - King
CB - Depends if you think the second first choice CB is Dawson or Kaboul
LB - BAE
LW - Bale
CM - Redknapp - Parker
CM - Modric
RW - Lennon
FW - Redknapp - Defoe or VDV
FW - Redknapp - Adebayor
So of the first choice starting 11; 5 or 6 are 'arry's players.
Cheib said:
True but the two stand out players are Modric and Bale...without them Spurs would be playing to their normal level of Top 6 finish. Parker and Walker are his two stand out buy's in my opinion...paid a lot of money for Parker given his age but been very well spent.
In fairness to Redknapp, any manager is likely to inherent some good players when they take over the squad. Modric was playing well before Harry turned up at the lane and has continued to do so.Bale is a more interesting case. When he initially joined Spurs he was a left back and I think holds the record at Spurs for playing the most games before being on a winning side. It wasn't until Redknapp moved him from left back to left wing that he became an outstanding player at Spurs. I think Harry deserves credit for the development of Bale.
VXRuss said:
You know what I mean
Yes O'Neill is Irish but we can't have him now, so back to Arry!
Hardly had a tough qualifying group though did we, I agree on the fact they have a nations expectations on their shoulders, but so do all nations don't they
You can only beat whats put in front of you and in 4years at the helm, we have beaten Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Slovakia, Egypt, Germany and destroyed Croatia in their backyard, the first team to do so in how many years? These are teams we have struggled against, surely you have to give the man some credit?Yes O'Neill is Irish but we can't have him now, so back to Arry!
Hardly had a tough qualifying group though did we, I agree on the fact they have a nations expectations on their shoulders, but so do all nations don't they
What experience does Harry bring to the table, he guided spurs from relegation, started very poorly in the CL, then spanked both Milan clubs, came up short against Madrid, then played poorly in the Europa League, which he has no respect for... Overall he did nothing special.
Look at AVB, he deserves a pop at the big time by proving himself in the lower tier, won 5 cups last year.....Harry is like Hodgson, Fulham is Hodgsons level, Spurs suits Harry, matches their respective talents and ambitions.
Edited by Jetl3on on Tuesday 10th January 16:39
Jetl3on said:
You can only beat whats put in front of you and in 4years at the helm, we have beaten Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Slovakia, Egypt, Germany and destroyed Croatia in their backyard, the first team to do so in how many years? These are teams we have struggled against, surely you have to give the man some credit?
Switzerland? The victories over Germany and Spain were in friendliesHe's lost to France (twice), Spain, Ukraine, Brazil and Germany, there have been draws against the USA, Algeria, Montenegro and Ghana.
The world cup is how England managers will always be judged:
England 1-1 United States
England 0-0 Algeria
Slovenia 0-1 England
Germany 4-1 England
Capello and Sven have failed to make England contenders for the World Cup so why continue with expensive foreigners when they haven't been able to deliver?
I don't realistcally think anyone can win the World Cup with the current crop of players, so we might as well have an Englishman on lower wages than are currently being paid out.
Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 10th January 16:52
Fittster said:
Jetl3on said:
You can only beat whats put in front of you and in 4years at the helm, we have beaten Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Slovakia, Egypt, Germany and destroyed Croatia in their backyard, the first team to do so in how many years? These are teams we have struggled against, surely you have to give the man some credit?
Switzerland? The victories over Germany and Spain were in friendliesHe's lost to France (twice), Spain, Ukraine, Brazil and Germany, there have been draws against the USA, Algeria, Montenegro and Ghana.
The world cup is how England managers will always be judged:
England 1-1 United States
England 0-0 Algeria
Slovenia 0-1 England
Germany 4-1 England
Capello and Sven have failed to make England contenders for the World Cup so why continue with expensive foreigners when they haven't been able to deliver?
I don't realistcally think anyone can win the World Cup with the current crop of players, so we might as well have an Englishman on lower wages than are currently being paid out.
Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 10th January 16:52
VXRuss said:
Fittster said:
Jetl3on said:
You can only beat whats put in front of you and in 4years at the helm, we have beaten Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Slovakia, Egypt, Germany and destroyed Croatia in their backyard, the first team to do so in how many years? These are teams we have struggled against, surely you have to give the man some credit?
Switzerland? The victories over Germany and Spain were in friendliesHe's lost to France (twice), Spain, Ukraine, Brazil and Germany, there have been draws against the USA, Algeria, Montenegro and Ghana.
The world cup is how England managers will always be judged:
England 1-1 United States
England 0-0 Algeria
Slovenia 0-1 England
Germany 4-1 England
Capello and Sven have failed to make England contenders for the World Cup so why continue with expensive foreigners when they haven't been able to deliver?
I don't realistcally think anyone can win the World Cup with the current crop of players, so we might as well have an Englishman on lower wages than are currently being paid out.
Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 10th January 16:52
You have only picked out the results that support your argument and ignored the rest, like the fact his win ratio is better than Hoddle, Keegan, Mclaren and Sven. Ignored the fact England are at a high in the FIFA rankings, ignored the fact we beat the mighty Crotia in a qualifier or the fact we were unbeaten in 2011. Are you also forgetting we failed to qualify for Euro 2008 and Don Capello took on a team with no confidence and millions of dissapointed fans?
And yes, the 1-0 friendly win over Spain is just as important as the 6-0 win against Andorra in a qualifier, those games play an important part in seedings, would like to play Brazil in the first round?
Come on gents, you dont have to like him, but be fair, we need to find a balance, pick an Englishman if he is right, not just because he is English or the fact he is a dishonest crook
Edited by Jetl3on on Tuesday 10th January 17:40
Jetl3on said:
You have only picked out the results that support your argument and ignored the rest, like the fact his win ratio is better than Hoddle, Keegan, Mclaren and Sven. Ignored the fact England are at a high in the FIFA rankings, ignored the fact we beat the mighty Crotia in a qualifier or the fact we were unbeaten in 2011. Are you also forgetting we failed to qualify for Euro 2008 and Don Capello took on a team with no confidence and millions of dissapointed fans?
Until they handout trophies for win ratio it's what happens in the World Cup and to a lesser extent the European Championship that count. Capello took on a team with no confidence and millions of dissapointed fans and produce an overconfident group of players who collapsed in a humiliation at the world cup. I think most of England fans were disappointed with the manner of our exit from the WC.
It's not as if qualification for the European championship was a walk in the park for the manager and his squad.
Were you happy with how England performed at the World Cup?
Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 10th January 18:19
Fittster said:
Until they handout trophies for win ratio it's what happens in the World Cup and to a lesser extent the European Championship that count.
Capello took on a team with no confidence and millions of dissapointed fans and produce an overconfident group of players who collapsed in a humiliation at the world cup. I think most of England fans were disappointed with the manner of our exit from the WC.
It's not as if qualification for the European championship was a walk in the park for the manager and his squad.
Were you happy with how England performed at the World Cup?
Disappointed but for different reasons. Everyone was fit, preparation good, qualifiers fantastic, 7 wins out of 7, confidence was high, but they choked. Capello can only do so much, it's up to the players to perform., regardless of how much he costs. Capello biggest mistake was taking that crock Ledley King. Capello took on a team with no confidence and millions of dissapointed fans and produce an overconfident group of players who collapsed in a humiliation at the world cup. I think most of England fans were disappointed with the manner of our exit from the WC.
It's not as if qualification for the European championship was a walk in the park for the manager and his squad.
Were you happy with how England performed at the World Cup?
Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 10th January 18:19
Jetl3on said:
VXRuss said:
Fittster said:
Jetl3on said:
You can only beat whats put in front of you and in 4years at the helm, we have beaten Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Slovakia, Egypt, Germany and destroyed Croatia in their backyard, the first team to do so in how many years? These are teams we have struggled against, surely you have to give the man some credit?
Switzerland? The victories over Germany and Spain were in friendliesHe's lost to France (twice), Spain, Ukraine, Brazil and Germany, there have been draws against the USA, Algeria, Montenegro and Ghana.
The world cup is how England managers will always be judged:
England 1-1 United States
England 0-0 Algeria
Slovenia 0-1 England
Germany 4-1 England
Capello and Sven have failed to make England contenders for the World Cup so why continue with expensive foreigners when they haven't been able to deliver?
I don't realistcally think anyone can win the World Cup with the current crop of players, so we might as well have an Englishman on lower wages than are currently being paid out.
Edited by Fittster on Tuesday 10th January 16:52
You have only picked out the results that support your argument and ignored the rest, like the fact his win ratio is better than Hoddle, Keegan, Mclaren and Sven. Ignored the fact England are at a high in the FIFA rankings, ignored the fact we beat the mighty Crotia in a qualifier or the fact we were unbeaten in 2011. Are you also forgetting we failed to qualify for Euro 2008 and Don Capello took on a team with no confidence and millions of dissapointed fans?
And yes, the 1-0 friendly win over Spain is just as important as the 6-0 win against Andorra in a qualifier, those games play an important part in seedings, would like to play Brazil in the first round?
Come on gents, you dont have to like him, but be fair, we need to find a balance, pick an Englishman if he is right, not just because he is English or the fact he is a dishonest crook
Edited by Jetl3on on Tuesday 10th January 17:40
I wouldn't call Croatia 'mighty' I would say they're a side we should beat quite comfortably home and away each time.
I feel HR is the right man for the job, I think he'll let a lot of Spurs fans down though if he does leave his position this year.
I understand your point, but I feel it's about time we had an English manager, not someone who picks a different team each day, plays negative tactics and can't speaka la lingo
The problem is that if the starting point is that an Englishman should be appointed then what is the actual list of contenders:
Roy Hodgson - took Fulham to the Europa League Final but then seemingly couldn't keep the big egos at Liverpool happy
Harry - won an FA Cup at Portsmouth and got Spurs to the CL once (and probably again this season)but in any case will probably be an unacceptable choice if he hets convicted of tax fraud
Steve Bruce - accumulating a number of sackings
Ian Holloway - brought Blackpool up to the Premier League and got praise for the way they played football
Neil Warnock - brought QPR up
Alan Pardew - doing a good job at Newcastle
Fat Sam - West Ham are doing ok
Steve Mclaren - been there done that....badly
So who's it going to be? Anyone I have missed?
Roy Hodgson - took Fulham to the Europa League Final but then seemingly couldn't keep the big egos at Liverpool happy
Harry - won an FA Cup at Portsmouth and got Spurs to the CL once (and probably again this season)but in any case will probably be an unacceptable choice if he hets convicted of tax fraud
Steve Bruce - accumulating a number of sackings
Ian Holloway - brought Blackpool up to the Premier League and got praise for the way they played football
Neil Warnock - brought QPR up
Alan Pardew - doing a good job at Newcastle
Fat Sam - West Ham are doing ok
Steve Mclaren - been there done that....badly
So who's it going to be? Anyone I have missed?
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