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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I have no problem with him getting out, or playing football for that matter. I do have a problem with idiots saying "one act doesn't define a person" or "we are all criminals so no one can judge him".
He raped someone, so that act does define him. It defines him as a rapist. And despite my criminal past for speeding, I am entitled to judge him, and I judge him to be a rapist.
I myself have done things which break the rules of society. However I feel that I'm in a position to look down on others who have also done so, but who I deem to have done worst than I. I believe that people should be judged on their singularly worst and most foolish actions for all time. I would be happy to be judged singularly on my worst action, as I feel who people are now bears no resemblance to who they are as people and simply I'm only interested in the worst part of your past.He raped someone, so that act does define him. It defines him as a rapist. And despite my criminal past for speeding, I am entitled to judge him, and I judge him to be a rapist.
That seems to be your opinion. You complete muppet.
doogz said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I have no problem with him getting out, or playing football for that matter. I do have a problem with idiots saying "one act doesn't define a person" or "we are all criminals so no one can judge him".
He raped someone, so that act does define him. It defines him as a rapist. And despite my criminal past for speeding, I am entitled to judge him, and I judge him to be a rapist.
But you agree he should be allowed to get a high paid job as a professional footballer?He raped someone, so that act does define him. It defines him as a rapist. And despite my criminal past for speeding, I am entitled to judge him, and I judge him to be a rapist.
doogz said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I have no problem with him getting out, or playing football for that matter. I do have a problem with idiots saying "one act doesn't define a person" or "we are all criminals so no one can judge him".
He raped someone, so that act does define him. It defines him as a rapist. And despite my criminal past for speeding, I am entitled to judge him, and I judge him to be a rapist.
But you agree he should be allowed to get a high paid job as a professional footballer?He raped someone, so that act does define him. It defines him as a rapist. And despite my criminal past for speeding, I am entitled to judge him, and I judge him to be a rapist.
photosnob said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I have no problem with him getting out, or playing football for that matter. I do have a problem with idiots saying "one act doesn't define a person" or "we are all criminals so no one can judge him".
He raped someone, so that act does define him. It defines him as a rapist. And despite my criminal past for speeding, I am entitled to judge him, and I judge him to be a rapist.
I myself have done things which break the rules of society. However I feel that I'm in a position to look down on others who have also done so, but who I deem to have done worst than I. I believe that people should be judged on their singularly worst and most foolish actions for all time. I would be happy to be judged singularly on my worst action, as I feel who people are now bears no resemblance to who they are as people and simply I'm only interested in the worst part of your past.He raped someone, so that act does define him. It defines him as a rapist. And despite my criminal past for speeding, I am entitled to judge him, and I judge him to be a rapist.
That seems to be your opinion. You complete muppet.
, imho. I wonder if he'd raped a member of your family would you be so keen to spring to the defense of this waste of oxygen? TwigtheWonderkid said:
He's a complete , imho. I wonder if he'd raped a member of your family would you be so keen to spring to the defense of this waste of oxygen?
The first bit I agree with, but the second part is irrelevant. Of course we'd want the stiffest possible sentence for anyone who committed a crime against us or relations, that's because we are emotionally attached and that could rational judgment. It's also why we don't get to chose the punishment., imho. I wonder if he'd raped a member of your family would you be so keen to spring to the defense of this waste of oxygen? He's probably a pretty nasty piece of work.
However he's served his time, and his chosen career is not one where he needs a CRB check or anything else of that sort.
If a club wants to sign him, then fair play.
I don't have to like him, but I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed a job, or more accurately why he shouldn't be allowed such a "glamorous, well paid job"
However he's served his time, and his chosen career is not one where he needs a CRB check or anything else of that sort.
If a club wants to sign him, then fair play.
I don't have to like him, but I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed a job, or more accurately why he shouldn't be allowed such a "glamorous, well paid job"
Dan_1981 said:
He's probably a pretty nasty piece of work.
However he's served his time, and his chosen career is not one where he needs a CRB check or anything else of that sort.
If a club wants to sign him, then fair play.
I don't have to like him, but I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed a job, or more accurately why he shouldn't be allowed such a "glamorous, well paid job"
I'm all for this.... but then I would not want him at my club, so yes I have double standards. Most clubs are family clubs and the players are out in the community a fair amount. Ched would not be able to be part of thatHowever he's served his time, and his chosen career is not one where he needs a CRB check or anything else of that sort.
If a club wants to sign him, then fair play.
I don't have to like him, but I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed a job, or more accurately why he shouldn't be allowed such a "glamorous, well paid job"
I think any club taking him on now will see a loss in revenue/sponsors unless his conviction is over-turned.
Negative Creep said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
He's a complete , imho. I wonder if he'd raped a member of your family would you be so keen to spring to the defense of this waste of oxygen?
The first bit I agree with, but the second part is irrelevant. Of course we'd want the stiffest possible sentence for anyone who committed a crime against us or relations, that's because we are emotionally attached and that could rational judgment. It's also why we don't get to chose the punishment., imho. I wonder if he'd raped a member of your family would you be so keen to spring to the defense of this waste of oxygen? krusty said:
The first quote from the BBC's coverage today is...
First Minister Carwyn Jones 'What does it mean for her to see him back in a job where he will earn a lot of money after being a convicted rapist?
So is it really about Football? I think not....
so mr McClure - in view of the above quote would you care to re-evaluate your rolling eyes?First Minister Carwyn Jones 'What does it mean for her to see him back in a job where he will earn a lot of money after being a convicted rapist?
So is it really about Football? I think not....
McClure said:
irocfan said:
it's all because of the money innit - he's a crim & so should be poor
Yes. It's all because criminals should be poor. 
irocfan said:
so mr McClure - in view of the above quote would you care to re-evaluate your rolling eyes?
Sadly it is very much a case of it being "all being about the Benjamins" and less and less to do with if rehabilitation of a convicted rapist has successfully been completed. McClure said:
irocfan said:
it's all because of the money innit - he's a crim & so should be poor
Yes. It's all because criminals should be poor. TwigtheWonderkid said:
Negative Creep said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
He's a complete , imho. I wonder if he'd raped a member of your family would you be so keen to spring to the defense of this waste of oxygen?
The first bit I agree with, but the second part is irrelevant. Of course we'd want the stiffest possible sentence for anyone who committed a crime against us or relations, that's because we are emotionally attached and that could rational judgment. It's also why we don't get to chose the punishment., imho. I wonder if he'd raped a member of your family would you be so keen to spring to the defense of this waste of oxygen? Even if he does believe he is innocent I still don't understand why he's back training as the amount of abuse he's going to get will be insane. I would have thought the best thing would be for him to ply his trade in Europe where his crimes would be less well known, or in the Middle East where they have a somewhat more "liberal" view on rape.
As a supporter of Sheffield United I would like to air my views.
Firstly, rape is despicable, a terrible crime, & innocent or guilty it shows a dramatic lack of common sense to be in a scenario where such claims could be made. If indeed he is guilty of rape, & not a "victim" of the situation, then I would not want him to represent my club.
However, there are some inconsistencies that I think do shed doubt on the fact the lady was indeed raped.
She agreed that she asked Evans to perform oral sex on her, was a willing partner in this & when this act progressed to vaginal intercourse.
Although the lady claimed memory loss, & indeed was heard to say she had suffered these lapses before, one expert witness stated that although she was clearly drunk, the amount of drink thought to have been taken was not normally enough to cause memory loss. Perhaps she claimed this memory loss to cover her sexual proclivities, who knows?
One thing I would like to say about footballers in general, & I say "in general" because there are of course many footballers who are clearly outside this generalisation. Most young lads dream of becoming famous & rich, & being a footballer in these times is a fast track to both if you are good enough. Those who have the skills are usually found at an early age, & from that point the rest of their education goes downhill & suffers as a result of them pursuing those dreams. Again, a lot, but not all of these boys are from ordinary working class council house families. I have plenty of first hand knowledge to state that the average footballer is not the sharpest tool in the box, so to speak. So no excuse for them getting themselves in dodgy situations, but not totally surprising that they do.
I understand a lot of people are vilifying Evans for not showing contrition, but if I had been banged up for something I believed I was innocent of I wouldn't be either.
Then there is the view of my football club. Evans was signed for £3,ooo,ooo, & on quite high wages for a League One club, so they had thrown a lot of money at him, & perhaps they feel he "owes them" because they were a certainty for promotion before he was convicted, but the team capitulated in the last few games & their promotion spot went to Sheffield Wednesday in the end.
But after all that, now that Jessica Ennis-Hill has said she wants her name removing from one of the stands at the ground, I believe the club will have no choice but to stay away from Evans.
Lastly, the outrage of the public is purely down to Evans being a footballer, & not a bin man. Footballers are not, & have never been, role models.
Firstly, rape is despicable, a terrible crime, & innocent or guilty it shows a dramatic lack of common sense to be in a scenario where such claims could be made. If indeed he is guilty of rape, & not a "victim" of the situation, then I would not want him to represent my club.
However, there are some inconsistencies that I think do shed doubt on the fact the lady was indeed raped.
She agreed that she asked Evans to perform oral sex on her, was a willing partner in this & when this act progressed to vaginal intercourse.
Although the lady claimed memory loss, & indeed was heard to say she had suffered these lapses before, one expert witness stated that although she was clearly drunk, the amount of drink thought to have been taken was not normally enough to cause memory loss. Perhaps she claimed this memory loss to cover her sexual proclivities, who knows?
One thing I would like to say about footballers in general, & I say "in general" because there are of course many footballers who are clearly outside this generalisation. Most young lads dream of becoming famous & rich, & being a footballer in these times is a fast track to both if you are good enough. Those who have the skills are usually found at an early age, & from that point the rest of their education goes downhill & suffers as a result of them pursuing those dreams. Again, a lot, but not all of these boys are from ordinary working class council house families. I have plenty of first hand knowledge to state that the average footballer is not the sharpest tool in the box, so to speak. So no excuse for them getting themselves in dodgy situations, but not totally surprising that they do.
I understand a lot of people are vilifying Evans for not showing contrition, but if I had been banged up for something I believed I was innocent of I wouldn't be either.
Then there is the view of my football club. Evans was signed for £3,ooo,ooo, & on quite high wages for a League One club, so they had thrown a lot of money at him, & perhaps they feel he "owes them" because they were a certainty for promotion before he was convicted, but the team capitulated in the last few games & their promotion spot went to Sheffield Wednesday in the end.
But after all that, now that Jessica Ennis-Hill has said she wants her name removing from one of the stands at the ground, I believe the club will have no choice but to stay away from Evans.
Lastly, the outrage of the public is purely down to Evans being a footballer, & not a bin man. Footballers are not, & have never been, role models.
Apologises if a re-post but this is quite an interesting article
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-no...
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-no...
irocfan said:
krusty said:
The first quote from the BBC's coverage today is...
First Minister Carwyn Jones 'What does it mean for her to see him back in a job where he will earn a lot of money after being a convicted rapist?
So is it really about Football? I think not....
so mr McClure - in view of the above quote would you care to re-evaluate your rolling eyes?First Minister Carwyn Jones 'What does it mean for her to see him back in a job where he will earn a lot of money after being a convicted rapist?
So is it really about Football? I think not....
McClure said:
irocfan said:
it's all because of the money innit - he's a crim & so should be poor
Yes. It's all because criminals should be poor. If he had shown a shred of remorse then he could probably be rehabilitated. But he hasn't, and thus has shown himself to be unworthy of such an elevated role.
McClure said:
irocfan said:
krusty said:
The first quote from the BBC's coverage today is...
First Minister Carwyn Jones 'What does it mean for her to see him back in a job where he will earn a lot of money after being a convicted rapist?
So is it really about Football? I think not....
so mr McClure - in view of the above quote would you care to re-evaluate your rolling eyes?First Minister Carwyn Jones 'What does it mean for her to see him back in a job where he will earn a lot of money after being a convicted rapist?
So is it really about Football? I think not....
McClure said:
irocfan said:
it's all because of the money innit - he's a crim & so should be poor
Yes. It's all because criminals should be poor. If he had shown a shred of remorse then he could probably be rehabilitated. But he hasn't, and thus has shown himself to be unworthy of such an elevated role.
irocfan said:
if he's innocent why should he show remorse? Read the post by Speedracer and say that there aren't huge consistencies (with all respect to SR always assuming his facts are correct)
He could easily show remorse. For a start he could acknowledge the pain the girl feels over what happened, even if he feels he did nothing wrong. McClure said:
irocfan said:
if he's innocent why should he show remorse? Read the post by Speedracer and say that there aren't huge consistencies (with all respect to SR always assuming his facts are correct)
He could easily show remorse. For a start he could acknowledge the pain the girl feels over what happened, even if he feels he did nothing wrong. Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff