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He should start both Henderson & Maguire tonight to find out if they actually are fit. if they aren't then they shouldn't play again.
I would rest Kane. He's knackered and someones distracting him by waving £100 million in his general direction.
Thanks to these bizarre qualification rules, they should just go out and have a good time tonight, show what they can do when the pressure is off. But they won't.
Slow & Steady eh Gareth? Slow & Steady.
I would rest Kane. He's knackered and someones distracting him by waving £100 million in his general direction.
Thanks to these bizarre qualification rules, they should just go out and have a good time tonight, show what they can do when the pressure is off. But they won't.
Slow & Steady eh Gareth? Slow & Steady.
Bonefish Blues said:
ddom said:
BadBull said:
We might have a chance if we could have a proper crowd.
Or a proper Manager 
Odds for Southgate to leave after this?
The Hypno-Toad said:
He should start both Henderson & Maguire tonight to find out if they actually are fit. if they aren't then they shouldn't play again.
I would rest Kane. He's knackered and someones distracting him by waving £100 million in his general direction.
Thanks to these bizarre qualification rules, they should just go out and have a good time tonight, show what they can do when the pressure is off. But they won't.
Slow & Steady eh Gareth? Slow & Steady.
I think he should play his strongest team and try to win. Need to build confidence for the next game. Playing the reserves and getting another poor result doesn't help anyone. Neither does winning with players you aren't going to select in the next match.I would rest Kane. He's knackered and someones distracting him by waving £100 million in his general direction.
Thanks to these bizarre qualification rules, they should just go out and have a good time tonight, show what they can do when the pressure is off. But they won't.
Slow & Steady eh Gareth? Slow & Steady.
If they had won the first 2 games 3-0, then fine, you have a winning team, a first 11, formation and tactics that are working, you can rest some players. Clearly we don't though.
Defensively we are fine but attack needs tweaking. Swap some players over - Sancho, Grealish, Walker etc. Or even look at a formation change. We have a free hit in this match but it has to be used constructively. We can't afford to waste the opportunity by resting players or testing others fitness.
Edited by TEKNOPUG on Tuesday 22 June 09:35
jammy-git said:
If we lose our last group game, get through and go out in the R16, I wouldn't be surprised to see Southgate go.
Unless he walks, not a chance.The FA said before the first group match that Southgate's job wasn't in question, even if England failed to get out of the group stages.
Southgate is the FA's wet dream after all these years of unsuitable (in their eyes) coaches/managers. He wears the tie, talks the FA talk, and does all the crap that goes with the England job very well, and that's exactly how the FA want it.
The fact that he's a clueless coach is irrelevant to the equally clueless suits at the FA.
aeropilot said:
Unless he walks, not a chance.
The FA said before the first group match that Southgate's job wasn't in question, even if England failed to get out of the group stages.
Southgate is the FA's wet dream after all these years of unsuitable (in their eyes) coaches/managers. He wears the tie, talks the FA talk, and does all the crap that goes with the England job very well, and that's exactly how the FA want it.
The fact that he's a clueless coach is irrelevant to the equally clueless suits at the FA.
Completely agree. Southgate is the FA's PR dream. He does however seem to bring the players together and deflect a lot of the pressure away from the team really well, which he should be credited for. Players now actually want to play for England. The only problem is, Gareth doesn't select the hungry ones nor does he like the element of risk. Will be very interesting which team he puts out tonight.The FA said before the first group match that Southgate's job wasn't in question, even if England failed to get out of the group stages.
Southgate is the FA's wet dream after all these years of unsuitable (in their eyes) coaches/managers. He wears the tie, talks the FA talk, and does all the crap that goes with the England job very well, and that's exactly how the FA want it.
The fact that he's a clueless coach is irrelevant to the equally clueless suits at the FA.
TEKNOPUG said:
I think he should play his strongest team and try to win. Need to build confidence for the next game. Playing the reserves and getting another poor result doesn't help anyone. Neither does winning with players you aren't going to select in the next match.
+1I understand the point people are making about trying to avoid a team from Group F in the last sixteen but I also think confidence and momentum are important so IMO we should play our best team, aim to win the game tonight and, if we do, give it a good go against whoever we get next. If it's Germany they haven't been brilliant over the last couple of years and with some of the attacking players we've got we could give them plenty to think about (providing of course we select those players and play in a way to make best use of them!).
TEKNOPUG said:
I think he should play his strongest team and try to win. Need to build confidence for the next game. Playing the reserves and getting another poor result doesn't help anyone. Neither does winning with players you aren't going to select in the next match.
The strongest reserves do need a run out though, you never know when someone will get injured. And it's also tournament experience that a youngsters will gain from and take into the world Cup campaign.
JNW1 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
I think he should play his strongest team and try to win. Need to build confidence for the next game. Playing the reserves and getting another poor result doesn't help anyone. Neither does winning with players you aren't going to select in the next match.
+1I understand the point people are making about trying to avoid a team from Group F in the last sixteen but I also think confidence and momentum are important so IMO we should play our best team, aim to win the game tonight and, if we do, give it a good go against whoever we get next. If it's Germany they haven't been brilliant over the last couple of years and with some of the attacking players we've got we could give them plenty to think about (providing of course we select those players and play in a way to make best use of them!).
Edited by ElectricSoup on Tuesday 22 June 10:15
England need to force the opponents to make rash decisions and create either goal scoring chances or situations that lead to free kicks/corners. To do that they’ve got to create threat and fear by putting the ball through to runners that are going to attempt to score, not shirk the chance by attempting too many passes and not enough openings.
Mix in a few long range shots, some over the top long range passing and exploiting spaces.
I dont want to see pass backs to the keeper from dead ball situations up field.
In short, play to win and score, not this play to keep possession b
ks.
Every game past this point is a knock out cup final. Play to win.
Mix in a few long range shots, some over the top long range passing and exploiting spaces.
I dont want to see pass backs to the keeper from dead ball situations up field.
In short, play to win and score, not this play to keep possession b
ks. Every game past this point is a knock out cup final. Play to win.
Edited by TTmonkey on Tuesday 22 June 10:17
hyphen said:
TEKNOPUG said:
I think he should play his strongest team and try to win. Need to build confidence for the next game. Playing the reserves and getting another poor result doesn't help anyone. Neither does winning with players you aren't going to select in the next match.
The strongest reserves do need a run out though, you never know when someone will get injured. And it's also tournament experience that a youngsters will gain from and take into the world Cup campaign.
England will be seeded in the WC qualifiers as usual. Which will mean they get drawn against dross and walk the qualifiers, as usual. It would be more helpful if they actually played some decent teams in the qualifiers, to test the team properly.
Ideally the qualifiers should have a qualifying round, where all the nonsense teams can compete for the chance to play in the qualifiers proper. Determining groups by whoever scored the most goals against Andorra is a joke.
JNW1 said:
+1
I understand the point people are making about trying to avoid a team from Group F in the last sixteen but I also think confidence and momentum are important so IMO we should play our best team, aim to win the game tonight and, if we do, give it a good go against whoever we get next. If it's Germany they haven't been brilliant over the last couple of years and with some of the attacking players we've got we could give them plenty to think about (providing of course we select those players and play in a way to make best use of them!).
I remember us counter attacking Spain a few seasons ago and going 3-0 up. Yet we never seem to play that way at tournaments.I understand the point people are making about trying to avoid a team from Group F in the last sixteen but I also think confidence and momentum are important so IMO we should play our best team, aim to win the game tonight and, if we do, give it a good go against whoever we get next. If it's Germany they haven't been brilliant over the last couple of years and with some of the attacking players we've got we could give them plenty to think about (providing of course we select those players and play in a way to make best use of them!).
In qualifying we beat the Czechs 5-0 at Wembley, but I wouldn't be surprised if tonight is another 0-0.
greygoose said:
Bonefish Blues said:
ddom said:
BadBull said:
We might have a chance if we could have a proper crowd.
Or a proper Manager Odds for Southgate to leave after this?
(Preys to God)
TTmonkey said:
England need to force the opponents to make rash decisions and create either goal scoring chances or situations that lead to free kicks/corners. To do that they’ve got to create threat and fear by putting the ball through to runners that are going to attempt to score, not shirk the chance by attempting too many passes and not enough openings.
Mix in a few long range shots, some over the top long range passing and exploiting spaces.
I dont want to see pass backs to the keeper from dead ball situations up field.
In short, play to win and score, not this play to keep possession bks.
Every game past this point is a knock out cup final. Play to win.
Or play not to lose, it would seem. Hope we are practicing penalties.Mix in a few long range shots, some over the top long range passing and exploiting spaces.
I dont want to see pass backs to the keeper from dead ball situations up field.
In short, play to win and score, not this play to keep possession b
ks. Every game past this point is a knock out cup final. Play to win.
Edited by TTmonkey on Tuesday 22 June 10:17
JmatthewB said:
VAR is supposed to prevent the howlers that are clear and obvious, not if someone’s bootlace is offside.
Nope, that's not the case. "Clear and obvious" was never to apply to offsides. Only to penalties, red cards, or stuff that is subjective. When VAR was being discussed, and most people were supporting it (I was always against it), offsides were always going to be a binary decision, off or on. What we have with offsides was always what they said we were going to have.
TEKNOPUG said:
England will be seeded in the WC qualifiers as usual. Which will mean they get drawn against dross and walk the qualifiers, as usual. It would be more helpful if they actually played some decent teams in the qualifiers, to test the team properly.
Ideally the qualifiers should have a qualifying round, where all the nonsense teams can compete for the chance to play in the qualifiers proper. Determining groups by whoever scored the most goals against Andorra is a joke.
The 2022 WC qualifiers have already started, so your post seems a bit oddly worded. I agree about the minnows in qualifying groups (Andorra and San Marino in our case) but there's also some decent teams in our group, namely Hungary and Poland. But yes, the games against the likes of San Marino are a waste of their time and ours.Ideally the qualifiers should have a qualifying round, where all the nonsense teams can compete for the chance to play in the qualifiers proper. Determining groups by whoever scored the most goals against Andorra is a joke.
Meanwhile, I hope we win tonight so that our last 16 game is at Wembley; a chance for our fans to see the team again, whatever the outcome.
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