The Official Euro 2020 thread....

[JmatthewB]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Nope, that's not the case. "Clear and obvious" was never to apply to offsides. Only to penalties, red cards, or stuff that is subjective. When VAR was being discussed, and most people were supporting it (I was always against it), offsides were always going to be a binary decision, off or on.

What we have with offsides was always what they said we were going to have.

I still think either the off-side rule needs changing or the way it interacts with VAR needs changing as it is ruining the fan experience.

I'm not sure if the BBC has access to the same frame rates as the VAR refs but in the decision last night the difference in one frame made it impossible to judge where KdB had made contact with the ball when passing it.

I've heard one suggestion of VAR using thicker lines for the last defender and the attackers position, if the lines overlap go with the on-field decision.

[Bonefish Blues]

JmatthewB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Nope, that's not the case. "Clear and obvious" was never to apply to offsides. Only to penalties, red cards, or stuff that is subjective. When VAR was being discussed, and most people were supporting it (I was always against it), offsides were always going to be a binary decision, off or on.

What we have with offsides was always what they said we were going to have.

I still think either the off-side rule needs changing or the way it interacts with VAR needs changing as it is ruining the fan experience.

I'm not sure if the BBC has access to the same frame rates as the VAR refs but in the decision last night the difference in one frame made it impossible to judge where KdB had made contact with the ball when passing it.

I've heard one suggestion of VAR using thicker lines for the last defender and the attackers position, if the lines overlap go with the on-field decision.

On that theme, I think the linesmen have been doing an excellent job too.

[TCEvo]

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

[unident]

JmatthewB said:

I still think either the off-side rule needs changing or the way it interacts with VAR needs changing as it is ruining the fan experience.

I'm not sure if the BBC has access to the same frame rates as the VAR refs but in the decision last night the difference in one frame made it impossible to judge where KdB had made contact with the ball when passing it.

I've heard one suggestion of VAR using thicker lines for the last defender and the attackers position, if the lines overlap go with the on-field decision.

I saw the same discussion and agree that offside was the wrong call. The problem with thicker lines is there will still be someone 1mm the wrong side of a thicker line and people will demand even thicker lines and so on.

[vonuber]

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Why on earth do they need to do that. It's bonkers.

[unident]

brake fader said:

Get shut of southgate and employ Klinsmann whilst he's available.

That would be hilarious. Employ someone who hasn’t a real job in management in over a decade. Had a shocker at Bayern and has pissed about in the US until he stopped working 5 years ago.

What a CV. Even my team (RoI) would probably be nervous about appointing him

[Brave Fart]

vonuber said:

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Why on earth do they need to do that. It's bonkers.

Ah well, it's the same for Steve Clarke, who was very "face to face" with Gilmour after the game. He has had to isolate too. Hasn't he?

[JNW1]

JmatthewB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Nope, that's not the case. "Clear and obvious" was never to apply to offsides. Only to penalties, red cards, or stuff that is subjective. When VAR was being discussed, and most people were supporting it (I was always against it), offsides were always going to be a binary decision, off or on.

What we have with offsides was always what they said we were going to have.

I still think either the off-side rule needs changing or the way it interacts with VAR needs changing as it is ruining the fan experience.

I'm not sure if the BBC has access to the same frame rates as the VAR refs but in the decision last night the difference in one frame made it impossible to judge where KdB had made contact with the ball when passing it.

I've heard one suggestion of VAR using thicker lines for the last defender and the attackers position, if the lines overlap go with the on-field decision.

IMO the issue with offside is the rule was never created with a view to it being enforced in the way it is with VAR technology. The original idea was always to stop players seeking to gain an advantage but it was never envisaged that several decades later someone with high-tech cameras would be disallowing goals because a tiny part of the attacking player was a few millimetres beyond the last defender. The Lukaku disallowed goal last night was another example of how silly the situation has become; most of him was level with - or even slightly behind - the defender but because a very small part of his foot was in front a free kick was awarded for offside.

Perhaps thicker lines might provide an answer but (again IMO) the benefit of the doubt should always be given to the attacking side - if someone needs to study the pictures for more than a few seconds it's onside in my view!

[Bonefish Blues]

Brave Fart said:

vonuber said:

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Why on earth do they need to do that. It's bonkers.

Ah well, it's the same for Steve Clarke, who was very "face to face" with Gilmour after the game. He has had to isolate too. Hasn't he?

Not a Health England decision, presumably...

[48k]

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Bonkers.

So they miss tonight, and the round of 16 game if we finish third in the group.

[Bonefish Blues]

JNW1 said:

JmatthewB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Nope, that's not the case. "Clear and obvious" was never to apply to offsides. Only to penalties, red cards, or stuff that is subjective. When VAR was being discussed, and most people were supporting it (I was always against it), offsides were always going to be a binary decision, off or on.

What we have with offsides was always what they said we were going to have.

I still think either the off-side rule needs changing or the way it interacts with VAR needs changing as it is ruining the fan experience.

I'm not sure if the BBC has access to the same frame rates as the VAR refs but in the decision last night the difference in one frame made it impossible to judge where KdB had made contact with the ball when passing it.

I've heard one suggestion of VAR using thicker lines for the last defender and the attackers position, if the lines overlap go with the on-field decision.

IMO the issue with offside is the rule was never created with a view to it being enforced in the way it is with VAR technology. The original idea was always to stop players seeking to gain an advantage but it was never envisaged that several decades later someone with high-tech cameras would be disallowing goals because a tiny part of the attacking player was a few millimetres beyond the last defender. The Lukaku disallowed goal last night was another example of how silly the situation has become; most of him was level with - or even slightly behind - the defender but because a very small part of his foot was in front a free kick was awarded for offside.

Perhaps thicker lines might provide an answer but (again IMO) the benefit of the doubt should always be given to the attacking side - if someone needs to study the pictures for more than a few seconds it's onside in my view!

Just automate the whole lot by putting a sensor in a pocket on F or R of players' shirts. If we can do it for ball-over-line decisions, then the tech's there to be used at top level, shirly?

[ChocolateFrog]

vonuber said:

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Why on earth do they need to do that. It's bonkers.

I'd be surprised if they haven't been vaccinated and taking regular PCR tests.

The the whole of rhe Scotland squad is fine, it's a farce.

I hope Scotland have a couple more positives just to highlight how bullst the whole situation is .

[ChocolateFrog]

Bonefish Blues said:

Brave Fart said:

vonuber said:

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Why on earth do they need to do that. It's bonkers.

Ah well, it's the same for Steve Clarke, who was very "face to face" with Gilmour after the game. He has had to isolate too. Hasn't he?

Not a Health England decision, presumably...

I believe they're based in England so why not the same rules.

[Bonefish Blues]

ChocolateFrog said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Brave Fart said:

vonuber said:

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Why on earth do they need to do that. It's bonkers.

Ah well, it's the same for Steve Clarke, who was very "face to face" with Gilmour after the game. He has had to isolate too. Hasn't he?

Not a Health England decision, presumably...

I believe they're based in England so why not the same rules.

Politics

[Leicester Loyal]

The one major positive about this is that it's just proved to millions of people arounthe world what nonsense these rules really are.

[CustardOnChips]

ChocolateFrog said:

vonuber said:

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Why on earth do they need to do that. It's bonkers.

I'd be surprised if they haven't been vaccinated and taking regular PCR tests.

The the whole of rhe Scotland squad is fine, it's a farce.

I hope Scotland have a couple more positives just to highlight how bullst the whole situation is .

Scotland will be isolated from the rest of the tournament after tonight anyway!

[simoid]

Bonefish Blues said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Brave Fart said:

vonuber said:

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Why on earth do they need to do that. It's bonkers.

Ah well, it's the same for Steve Clarke, who was very "face to face" with Gilmour after the game. He has had to isolate too. Hasn't he?

Not a Health England decision, presumably...

I believe they're based in England so why not the same rules.

Politics

I was reading it as FA have isolated them, not PHE.

[simoid]

Brave Fart said:

TEKNOPUG said:

England will be seeded in the WC qualifiers as usual. Which will mean they get drawn against dross and walk the qualifiers, as usual. It would be more helpful if they actually played some decent teams in the qualifiers, to test the team properly.

Ideally the qualifiers should have a qualifying round, where all the nonsense teams can compete for the chance to play in the qualifiers proper. Determining groups by whoever scored the most goals against Andorra is a joke.

The 2022 WC qualifiers have already started, so your post seems a bit oddly worded. I agree about the minnows in qualifying groups (Andorra and San Marino in our case) but there's also some decent teams in our group, namely Hungary and Poland. But yes, the games against the likes of San Marino are a waste of their time and ours.

Meanwhile, I hope we win tonight so that our last 16 game is at Wembley; a chance for our fans to see the team again, whatever the outcome.

We could have, like, a League of Nations or something? Similarly ranked teams who can play each other in a tournament instead of meaningless friendlies

[Bonefish Blues]

simoid said:

Bonefish Blues said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Bonefish Blues said:

Brave Fart said:

vonuber said:

TCEvo said:

Chilwell & Mount confirmed as now in isolation until 28.06.21.

Why on earth do they need to do that. It's bonkers.

Ah well, it's the same for Steve Clarke, who was very "face to face" with Gilmour after the game. He has had to isolate too. Hasn't he?

Not a Health England decision, presumably...

I believe they're based in England so why not the same rules.

Politics

I was reading it as FA have isolated them, not PHE.

Southgate said last night that they were waiting for advice from PHE

[simoid]

Bonefish Blues said:

Southgate said last night that they were waiting for advice from PHE

Yeah, so the FA are taking the decision based on advice as opposed to following orders.

(Countering the suggestion that PHE seem to be favouring Scotland over England).