The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 17]
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Utd were poor today, we were awful too and should've won the game, but once it started you knew it was gonna be a struggle. Ref was a joke but we should've expected that.
We absolutely have to beat spurs next week, 4 points from those two fixtures is good going, no matter who you are or what form they're in.
Funny that there was some chatter about the bench before the game and it was the three players who came on who had the most impact.
Ox and Naby were quite bright, and Lallana delivered perfectly.
Klopp will be happy with the three of them imo.
We absolutely have to beat spurs next week, 4 points from those two fixtures is good going, no matter who you are or what form they're in.
Funny that there was some chatter about the bench before the game and it was the three players who came on who had the most impact.
Ox and Naby were quite bright, and Lallana delivered perfectly.
Klopp will be happy with the three of them imo.
Disjointed at best today. Utd there for the taking again. I think we have to take maximum points really.
Lack of creativity in the final third.
Did we miss Salah that much?
Was listening to it on the radio so not seen the VAR goal- yet compared to Watford yesterday I don’t think we can feel hard done by.
Lack of creativity in the final third.
Did we miss Salah that much?
Was listening to it on the radio so not seen the VAR goal- yet compared to Watford yesterday I don’t think we can feel hard done by.
I felt our midfield never really got hold of the game, but then I dont think theirs did either. Pereira aside who had some good moments, I think the game could have took place without any of the midfield.
I guess contrary to that, what United did well was stop the passing lanes. The 3 at the back and wing backs seemed to confuse us and we never really found an answer to it. How much of that was tactical or the lads just being absolutely s
te its hard to tell.
Both keepers had fk all to do and despite the talk both could have been under 16 lads and the result would have been the same.
I don't overly agree with Carra and Neville suggesting it was us being scared of old trafford, but there defo seemed something wrong. VVD didnt look himself, rarely see him rushed, but there was a few times he seemed it.
Win vs Spurs and its a great 4 points. Fail to win and today gets that bit worse.
I guess contrary to that, what United did well was stop the passing lanes. The 3 at the back and wing backs seemed to confuse us and we never really found an answer to it. How much of that was tactical or the lads just being absolutely s
te its hard to tell.Both keepers had f
k all to do and despite the talk both could have been under 16 lads and the result would have been the same.I don't overly agree with Carra and Neville suggesting it was us being scared of old trafford, but there defo seemed something wrong. VVD didnt look himself, rarely see him rushed, but there was a few times he seemed it.
Win vs Spurs and its a great 4 points. Fail to win and today gets that bit worse.
On paper we should stuff them, but that's just not how this works. Echoes of last season's fixture and a very flat performance. Never seem to play well after a break. Salah is a big miss IMO. Lack of a like-for-like alternative to step in means Origi plays and with all due respect to him, it's not the same in terms of shape and style.
Ultimately a point is a good result as for long spells we didn't merit that. Man U were always going to dig in, this is probably one of their two biggest games this season, CIty being the other. The last ten minutes things turned but there wasn't enough time to nick a winner. A missed opportunity but in context a good result.
Ultimately a point is a good result as for long spells we didn't merit that. Man U were always going to dig in, this is probably one of their two biggest games this season, CIty being the other. The last ten minutes things turned but there wasn't enough time to nick a winner. A missed opportunity but in context a good result.
wjb said:
Utd were poor today, we were awful too and should've won the game, but once it started you knew it was gonna be a struggle. Ref was a joke but we should've expected that
You clearly have no idea how much united fans loath Atkinson. He cost united a premier league with a st decision to let Chelsea win. Ref wasn’t an issue. You got a bloody nose from United today. You were gifted an equaliser. Its Unbelievable where united are right now but you were only missing Salah today. United were at bare bones. It was far from their cup final as some joker has suggested.
You dropped 2 points you can not afford to. To a team just above the relegation zone.
Is this where the rot starts?
Gone a bit AMG said:
wjb said:
Utd were poor today, we were awful too and should've won the game, but once it started you knew it was gonna be a struggle. Ref was a joke but we should've expected that
You clearly have no idea how much united fans loath Atkinson. He cost united a premier league with a st decision to let Chelsea win. Ref wasn’t an issue. You got a bloody nose from United today. You were gifted an equaliser. Its Unbelievable where united are right now but you were only missing Salah today. United were at bare bones. It was far from their cup final as some joker has suggested.
You dropped 2 points you can not afford to. To a team just above the relegation zone.
Is this where the rot starts?
Gone a bit AMG said:
You clearly have no idea how much united fans loath Atkinson. He cost united a premier league with a st decision to let Chelsea win. Ref wasn’t an issue.
You got a bloody nose from United today. You were gifted an equaliser. Its Unbelievable where united are right now but you were only missing Salah today. United were at bare bones. It was far from their cup final as some joker has suggested.
You dropped 2 points you can not afford to. To a team just above the relegation zone.
Is this where the rot starts?
t decision to let Chelsea win. Ref wasn’t an issue. You got a bloody nose from United today. You were gifted an equaliser. Its Unbelievable where united are right now but you were only missing Salah today. United were at bare bones. It was far from their cup final as some joker has suggested.
You dropped 2 points you can not afford to. To a team just above the relegation zone.
Is this where the rot starts?
Flip Martian said:
Souness got it right I think - he said our midfield is really hardworking but with TAA and Robbo nullified, our midfield didn't have any guile to open Utd up. Hard working for sure but they just didn't have the creativity. The 3 subs ultimately all had a bit of that.
This is spot on for me. Plus the fact by the 80th minute we'd been given just 4 free kicks (including offside) which really disjointed our rhythm as they were able to niggle us consistently.
Fingers crossed Ox and Keita can bring something to the party in those situations again
phil_cardiff said:
Anyone genuinely surprised with the performance or result?
I’m not surprised by any of it when we were without Salah. There’s a huge difference from having Salah than having Origi on. Life I said before the game there would be no space in their last 3rd. Add that to missing 1 of our lethal 3 then chances would be slim and they would counter us when they got the ball with space ahead of them.
Playing essentially 5 at the back made sure Trent and Robertson couldn’t really get down the line and deliver like they do and if they did take the risk then there would be space for Rashford and James to run into if a counter was on, which is what happened when they scored.
So TAA and Robertson were non effective so that means that the midfielders have to create something in the midfield with the space they have.
Henderson isn’t that player. Wijnaldum seems to do it in an orange top for some reason. Origi isnt a replacement for Salah nor a replacement for Mane Mane goes on the right
Maybe Ox or Keita should have been on at half time for Origi and Henderson. They can play between the lines. Good with the ball at their feet.
That’s when we seen an improvement when we changed to the 442.
I look forward to seeing them two now going forward considering they are deemed fit. Match fitness needed however.
Westyrs said:
I stopped reading at gifted a goal...
Great play.. great goal.
Really hope Ole doesn't get sacked, at least keep him until the end of the season.. please !
There is no chance Ole is getting sacked. If united are so sGreat play.. great goal.
Really hope Ole doesn't get sacked, at least keep him until the end of the season.. please !
t how do you explain today’s result? Ref? Old Trafford’s bias? Our issue wasn't just that Salah was out. As someone else said, the players weren't at it for 75 minutes today. We've had several games against Utd right after an international break that have been exactly the same.
The players needed to put in more effort and I agree with whoever said that Klopp was too slow to change things when it was clear our usual attacking options weren't working.
In hindsight I think it highlights how much we've missed an attacking midfield from the middle, the likes of Ox, Keita or Lallana. Just to give us another option instead of relying so heavily on our full backs.
I'd be really surprised if City don't win at OT given the state of that Utd team. Still, I did think it was funny that Klopp managed to get more out of the Utd team than Ole has since April!
The players needed to put in more effort and I agree with whoever said that Klopp was too slow to change things when it was clear our usual attacking options weren't working.
In hindsight I think it highlights how much we've missed an attacking midfield from the middle, the likes of Ox, Keita or Lallana. Just to give us another option instead of relying so heavily on our full backs.
I'd be really surprised if City don't win at OT given the state of that Utd team. Still, I did think it was funny that Klopp managed to get more out of the Utd team than Ole has since April!
jammy-git said:
Our issue wasn't just that Salah was out. As someone else said, the players weren't at it for 75 minutes today. We've had several games against Utd right after an international break that have been exactly the same.
The players needed to put in more effort and I agree with whoever said that Klopp was too slow to change things when it was clear our usual attacking options weren't working.
In hindsight I think it highlights how much we've missed an attacking midfield from the middle, the likes of Ox, Keita or Lallana. Just to give us another option instead of relying so heavily on our full backs.
I'd be really surprised if City don't win at OT given the state of that Utd team. Still, I did think it was funny that Klopp managed to get more out of the Utd team than Ole has since April!
Really Jammy? Which games against Utd have been exactly the same after an international break? The players needed to put in more effort and I agree with whoever said that Klopp was too slow to change things when it was clear our usual attacking options weren't working.
In hindsight I think it highlights how much we've missed an attacking midfield from the middle, the likes of Ox, Keita or Lallana. Just to give us another option instead of relying so heavily on our full backs.
I'd be really surprised if City don't win at OT given the state of that Utd team. Still, I did think it was funny that Klopp managed to get more out of the Utd team than Ole has since April!
I agree in hindsight though anyone would miss an attacking middle midfielder. We all need options. I’m not sure livestock is the answer though.
It’s just banter though you guys can take it can’t you?
Flip Martian said:
Souness got it right I think - he said our midfield is really hardworking but with TAA and Robbo nullified, our midfield didn't have any guile to open Utd up. Hard working for sure but they just didn't have the creativity. The 3 subs ultimately all had a bit of that.
Really? No sh!t Sherlock. I have been saying it for years. Our midfield is bland at best with no general in the middle running things. Rewind the clock back a couple of seasons when teams would put 10 men behind the ball, it reminded me of those games when we had no idea of how to break those teams down. #TBTGone a bit AMG said:
There is no chance Ole is getting sacked. If united are so st how do you explain today’s result? Ref? Old Trafford’s bias?
In 99-00, Utd won the league with 90 points. Wimbledon, who were relegated that season, managed to draw in both the home and away fixtures with Utd. Sometimes st how do you explain today’s result? Ref? Old Trafford’s bias? t teams put in cup final performances and get a flukely draw or two in a season. 
ferrisbueller said:
On paper we should stuff them, but that's just not how this works. Echoes of last season's fixture and a very flat performance. Never seem to play well after a break. Salah is a big miss IMO. Lack of a like-for-like alternative to step in means Origi plays and with all due respect to him, it's not the same in terms of shape and style.
Agreed. And all the build-up, hype and pre-game punditry analysis saying how easily we will win at Old Trafford. Always ends up as an anti-climax. It's almost like the build-up sucks the life out of the players before a ball is even kicked. Definitely the international break upsets the rhythm too. Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff