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simoid said:
I believe it's maybe something along the lines of a "clear and obvious error" that the ref gets overruled for? McKenna not receiving a red for the hurricanrana on Edouard perhaps was ruled a clear and obvious error? Morelos' incidents are all debatable, and certainly not clear and obvious red cards unless you're favourite colour is green or you got caught on TV shouting obscenities at Easter Road on the 29th.
Or your glasses have a severe blue tinge to them. 
simoid said:
Driver101 said:
The reasoning given that no action was taken against Morelos was the ref seen all the incidents at the time.
The ref seen the incident with McKenna and Edouard at the time and deemed it wasn't a foul. They still took that incident out of the ref's hands and banned Mckenna.
Aberdeen lodged an appeal on the basis that the ref had seen the incident and deemed it wasn't a foul. Same reasoning for no action against Morelos, but they subsequently lost their appeal.
The inconsistency off the park is as bad as on it.
I believe it's maybe something along the lines of a "clear and obvious error" that the ref gets overruled for? McKenna not receiving a red for the hurricanrana on Edouard perhaps was ruled a clear and obvious error? Morelos' incidents are all debatable, and certainly not clear and obvious red cards unless you're favourite colour is green or you got caught on TV shouting obscenities at Easter Road on the 29th.The ref seen the incident with McKenna and Edouard at the time and deemed it wasn't a foul. They still took that incident out of the ref's hands and banned Mckenna.
Aberdeen lodged an appeal on the basis that the ref had seen the incident and deemed it wasn't a foul. Same reasoning for no action against Morelos, but they subsequently lost their appeal.
The inconsistency off the park is as bad as on it.
McKenna did go for the ball, and IIRC, he did actually get a little touch before the wild follow through. Off the ball with no actually effort should be deemed worse.
The Morelos' incidents had already been forwarded for consideration prior to the referee's report. Clearly someone else thought there was clear and obvious errors.
Aberdeen used the exact safe defence as covered Morelos. It didn't stand up first time or at the appeal.
Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 8th January 20:19
technodup said:
ould you please provide a Strocky certified list of Lanarkshire pubs, sorted by staunchness?
Just so if I'm ever in the area I don't end up in the 3rd staunchest, that simply wouldn't do.
TBF there's only 2 out and out Rangers pubs in the village and given that the "band" refresh themselves in Burns Bar after a hard day pounding Brenda's tarmac, by dint of simple mathematics, the Crown has to make do with 2nd placeJust so if I'm ever in the area I don't end up in the 3rd staunchest, that simply wouldn't do.
HTH
Refs now blaming the SFA and the compliance officer, s
t about to hit the fan?
Scotland’s top referees believe they are being hung out to dry by their SFA bosses after a string of mysterious inconsistencies that have left them facing the fury of fans across the country.
A special Record Sport investigation has established, despite claims they are on the brink of a second strike in eight years, there is in fact little or no appetite among the officials to call for industrial action and wreak havoc on one of the most competitive top-flight campaigns in years.
But we have learned of serious unhappiness behind the scenes over the actions of recently appointed compliance officer Clare Whyte and in particular with her treatment of two of the most high-profile whistlers in the game - Willie Collum and John Beaton.
Collum came under furious fire earlier this season after sending off Rangers winger Daniel Candeias in the closing seconds of a dramatic late win at St Mirren. The Ibrox outfit then turned their guns on Collum by releasing a withering statement in which they referred to unexplained "underlying issues" which need to be addressed.
And Beaton and his family are currently under round-the-clock police protection after the fallout from last month’s Old Firm derby.
Morelos gets up close and personal with Christie (Image: PA)
After going down to a 1-0 defeat, Celtic released a statement of their own demanding the ref explain why Rangers striker Alfredo Morelos stayed on the pitch despite being involved in a string of controversial flashpoints.
But Record Sport understands Collum and Beaton - along with a number of sympathetic colleagues - now believe both men have been made scapegoats by their Hampden bosses with Whyte’s handling of their cases now coming under the microscope.
And a number of major concerns have been raised regarding what appear to be blatant anomalies and discrepancies in the way both incidents were dealt with.
We have been told that, in the aftermath of Collum’s controversial decision in Paisley, the whistler admitted to Whyte he may have called it wrong when he issued Candeias with a second yellow card after an off the ball clash with St Mirren defender Anton Ferdinand.
Candeias is shown a red card by Collum (Image: SNS)
But, according to our sources, Collum was then shocked when the SFA subsequently claimed the ref had spotted Candeias making gestures to Ferdinand moments before the defender grabbed him in a head lock.
And Beaton is believed to have been equally bemused and let down by the fallout from the December 29 clash at Ibrox - and the SFA’s decision to announce that Morelos only escaped punishment because the referee had seen all three incidents when they occurred.
We understand Beaton did confirm he had a good view of the skirmishes between Morelos, Scott Brown, Anthony Ralston and Ryan Christie during the game.
But that Beaton was then denied the opportunity to retrospectively review those incidents despite having the chance to study them more closely on video replays.
One source said: “It’s fair to say Willie and John feel they have been badly let down by the compliance officer.
“Willie has had his impartiality called into question when, in fact, he was the first one to hold his hand up afterwards and admit he hadn’t seen the Candeias incident properly at the time of making his decision.
“He knew nothing about the statement which was later released in which the player’s gestures were used to vindicate that yellow card.
Beaton had a police guard at Ayr United (Image: SNS)
“As for John, he and his family are now paying a horrendous price for the whole Morelos mess. When he confirmed he had seen the incidents during the match he also fully expected to be asked if he had any reason to change his mind having watched them all back on TV.
“Having said that, the SFA’s disciplinary department had already made it almost impossible for referees to deal with these incidents.
“Remember, it was them who rescinded the red card Morelos was given at Pittodrie for kicking an opponent on the first day of the season at Pittodrie and then failed to punish Steven Naismith for stamping on Celtic’s Jonny Hayes a week later at Tynecastle.
“Whether John would have changed his mind only he knows for sure. But it does look very much like he was denied that chance and, a result of that, the SFA were able to pin the blame back on him.
“Referees have to put up with a lot of abuse in this country and they realise that’s part and parcel of the job.
“Most of the guys would acknowledge also that far too many mistakes have been made over the course of the season so far, but what they do not expect is for their own employers to throw them under a bus whenever the heat is on.
“As a result, relations between the officials and the compliance officer are extremely strained at this moment.”
But reports elsewhere claiming the whistlers are on the verge of a walk-out have been roundly dismissed.
Another unnamed source said: “Going on strike is the last thing the guys are thinking about.
“There are always one or two loose cannons with more militant views but the general feeling across the board is there would be no appetite for such drastic action and no benefit.
“The refs expected things to become a lot more pressurised the moment the top flight became competitive again. We’ve got a genuine competition this season so the stakes have been raised accordingly.
“But can you imagine the levels of hostility towards them if they took action and interrupted the campaign at this stage when everything is still to play for?”
Our sources, though, have also revealed the officials feel let down by what’s been described a leadership vacuum on Hampden’s sixth floor.
Another source said: “With all the issues and high-profile incidents this season, they need a bit of guidance and coaching but it’s not been forthcoming.
“The last two video clips they received concerned the keeper moving off his line at Scott Sinclair’s penalty in the League Cup Final and another telling refs that, when a corner is being taken on the opposite side from the linesman, they must check first to make sure the ball is inside the arch.
“You’d have thought the SFA would have had more to worry about than that given the way the season has been going so far!”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/footb...
t about to hit the fan?Scotland’s top referees believe they are being hung out to dry by their SFA bosses after a string of mysterious inconsistencies that have left them facing the fury of fans across the country.
A special Record Sport investigation has established, despite claims they are on the brink of a second strike in eight years, there is in fact little or no appetite among the officials to call for industrial action and wreak havoc on one of the most competitive top-flight campaigns in years.
But we have learned of serious unhappiness behind the scenes over the actions of recently appointed compliance officer Clare Whyte and in particular with her treatment of two of the most high-profile whistlers in the game - Willie Collum and John Beaton.
Collum came under furious fire earlier this season after sending off Rangers winger Daniel Candeias in the closing seconds of a dramatic late win at St Mirren. The Ibrox outfit then turned their guns on Collum by releasing a withering statement in which they referred to unexplained "underlying issues" which need to be addressed.
And Beaton and his family are currently under round-the-clock police protection after the fallout from last month’s Old Firm derby.
Morelos gets up close and personal with Christie (Image: PA)
After going down to a 1-0 defeat, Celtic released a statement of their own demanding the ref explain why Rangers striker Alfredo Morelos stayed on the pitch despite being involved in a string of controversial flashpoints.
But Record Sport understands Collum and Beaton - along with a number of sympathetic colleagues - now believe both men have been made scapegoats by their Hampden bosses with Whyte’s handling of their cases now coming under the microscope.
And a number of major concerns have been raised regarding what appear to be blatant anomalies and discrepancies in the way both incidents were dealt with.
We have been told that, in the aftermath of Collum’s controversial decision in Paisley, the whistler admitted to Whyte he may have called it wrong when he issued Candeias with a second yellow card after an off the ball clash with St Mirren defender Anton Ferdinand.
Candeias is shown a red card by Collum (Image: SNS)
But, according to our sources, Collum was then shocked when the SFA subsequently claimed the ref had spotted Candeias making gestures to Ferdinand moments before the defender grabbed him in a head lock.
And Beaton is believed to have been equally bemused and let down by the fallout from the December 29 clash at Ibrox - and the SFA’s decision to announce that Morelos only escaped punishment because the referee had seen all three incidents when they occurred.
We understand Beaton did confirm he had a good view of the skirmishes between Morelos, Scott Brown, Anthony Ralston and Ryan Christie during the game.
But that Beaton was then denied the opportunity to retrospectively review those incidents despite having the chance to study them more closely on video replays.
One source said: “It’s fair to say Willie and John feel they have been badly let down by the compliance officer.
“Willie has had his impartiality called into question when, in fact, he was the first one to hold his hand up afterwards and admit he hadn’t seen the Candeias incident properly at the time of making his decision.
“He knew nothing about the statement which was later released in which the player’s gestures were used to vindicate that yellow card.
Beaton had a police guard at Ayr United (Image: SNS)
“As for John, he and his family are now paying a horrendous price for the whole Morelos mess. When he confirmed he had seen the incidents during the match he also fully expected to be asked if he had any reason to change his mind having watched them all back on TV.
“Having said that, the SFA’s disciplinary department had already made it almost impossible for referees to deal with these incidents.
“Remember, it was them who rescinded the red card Morelos was given at Pittodrie for kicking an opponent on the first day of the season at Pittodrie and then failed to punish Steven Naismith for stamping on Celtic’s Jonny Hayes a week later at Tynecastle.
“Whether John would have changed his mind only he knows for sure. But it does look very much like he was denied that chance and, a result of that, the SFA were able to pin the blame back on him.
“Referees have to put up with a lot of abuse in this country and they realise that’s part and parcel of the job.
“Most of the guys would acknowledge also that far too many mistakes have been made over the course of the season so far, but what they do not expect is for their own employers to throw them under a bus whenever the heat is on.
“As a result, relations between the officials and the compliance officer are extremely strained at this moment.”
But reports elsewhere claiming the whistlers are on the verge of a walk-out have been roundly dismissed.
Another unnamed source said: “Going on strike is the last thing the guys are thinking about.
“There are always one or two loose cannons with more militant views but the general feeling across the board is there would be no appetite for such drastic action and no benefit.
“The refs expected things to become a lot more pressurised the moment the top flight became competitive again. We’ve got a genuine competition this season so the stakes have been raised accordingly.
“But can you imagine the levels of hostility towards them if they took action and interrupted the campaign at this stage when everything is still to play for?”
Our sources, though, have also revealed the officials feel let down by what’s been described a leadership vacuum on Hampden’s sixth floor.
Another source said: “With all the issues and high-profile incidents this season, they need a bit of guidance and coaching but it’s not been forthcoming.
“The last two video clips they received concerned the keeper moving off his line at Scott Sinclair’s penalty in the League Cup Final and another telling refs that, when a corner is being taken on the opposite side from the linesman, they must check first to make sure the ball is inside the arch.
“You’d have thought the SFA would have had more to worry about than that given the way the season has been going so far!”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/footb...
I just had a haircut, and sitting in the barbers was what I guess was yesterday's paper. Jesus Christ, that prick Sutton is a right whiny bh. Likes the sound of his own voice far too much, everything's a conspiracy, Rangers bias, bla bla.
No wonder nobody reads papers anymore, with that prick filling pages with his Celtic loving ste.
And this isn't me v Celtic btw, I don't mind Hartson when he's on telly. But Sutton is a.
h. Likes the sound of his own voice far too much, everything's a conspiracy, Rangers bias, bla bla.No wonder nobody reads papers anymore, with that prick filling pages with his Celtic loving s
te.And this isn't me v Celtic btw, I don't mind Hartson when he's on telly. But Sutton is a
.technodup said:
I just had a haircut, and sitting in the barbers was what I guess was yesterday's paper. Jesus Christ, that prick Sutton is a right whiny bh. Likes the sound of his own voice far too much, everything's a conspiracy, Rangers bias, bla bla.
No wonder nobody reads papers anymore, with that prick filling pages with his Celtic loving ste.
And this isn't me v Celtic btw, I don't mind Hartson when he's on telly. But Sutton is a.
Sutton is a wind up merchant that loves the sound of his own voice, he is employed to annoy.h. Likes the sound of his own voice far too much, everything's a conspiracy, Rangers bias, bla bla.No wonder nobody reads papers anymore, with that prick filling pages with his Celtic loving s
te.And this isn't me v Celtic btw, I don't mind Hartson when he's on telly. But Sutton is a
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Shambler said:
Edinburger said:
"The poor lad Morelos"?
Good player but he's a nasty piece of work, if you ask me.
If you look at the stats, his shots on target are pretty poor. I think he’s a half decent player being made to look a lot better than he is by the amount of chances he is getting.Good player but he's a nasty piece of work, if you ask me.
simoid said:
Shambler said:
Edinburger said:
"The poor lad Morelos"?
Good player but he's a nasty piece of work, if you ask me.
If you look at the stats, his shots on target are pretty poor. I think he’s a half decent player being made to look a lot better than he is by the amount of chances he is getting.Good player but he's a nasty piece of work, if you ask me.
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