The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)

[LF5335]

and31 said:

Perhaps because he was shagging his brothers wife?
Not a good look is it really?

That was big news in 2011. He played on for us for a few years after that, then went to be Moyes no.2 and then had a stint as interim when Moyes was binned.

Talk about adding 2+2 and getting 752,163,648

Giggs has always been a bit iffy morally and his brother is even worse based on my experience of them. Shagging about is hardly crime of the century though, there are far worse cases on our books that some seem to defend.

[LF5335]

simon800 said:

I mentioned a few weeks back we have a run of games against teams who have already beaten us this season. Of our final 9 matches this season, the only teams that haven't already beaten us are 3 Championship teams (Sheffield United, Coventry, Burnley).

The other 6 (Bournemouth, Palace, Arsenal, Newcastle, Brighton, City) already took 3 points off us.

If we were to lose the league games we have remaining it would mean 2 wins (Sheffield United, Everton) in 13 league matches.

I mentioned a few weeks ago that we would be fighting to stay in the Top 10, whilst everyone else was working out when we’d be in the Top 4 because we’d managed to scrape a win against a lesser team. I got mocked for it.

Strange how some predictions have been better than others this year.

I wrote off Casemiro back in August, whilst someone announced that Antony would absolutely smash it this year.

I questioned why we’d signed Mount and still do, others proclaimed he was one of the final pieces of the jigsaw.

I got called out to make a manager to replace ETH and when I said Amorim nobody had even heard of him or at least didn’t reply.

Lots more like that, admittedly I did get some wrong too

[Challo]

TownIdiot said:

In terms of the manager surely you have to take a deep breath and have some faith in the new management structure?
If they are as good as their reputations then it should work out.

Same at Liverpool next season. New club management setting the direction not a personality manager running the show.

Not sure I like it but it seems that's the plan for both clubs.

INEOS have already asked for patience from the fans, and said they are walking to the right solution, not running to the next problem. They already have a plan in place with regards to the structure from the CEO down, and ensuring they get the right people in place from a management structure first.

You could presume the idea would have been that ETH would have been doing a good job, bring in Ashworth, and Wilcox and then any big changes could be made at the end of the 24/25 season as ETH contract is up.

They will no doubt have to expedite the plan, due to the result and will be sounding out managers to see who is available to start in the summer.

While results have been shocking, I cannot see INEOS making any knee jerk reactions as they are wanting to avoid the mistakes of the past and ensuring what ever they do will it will be the correct decision.

[Forester1965]

The issue is multiple years without CL (or any other European action). It impacts your ability to attract and finance new signings of the appropriate quality and lengthens the timeline for return to success. Do you avoid a 'kneejerk' and keep ETH in place at the risk next season is no better, or take the decision to act now?

How many times have we acted mid-season, whereas now we can do it at the right time (albeit starting a bit late).

[LF5335]

Plus the way we’re going we could end up fighting at the wrong end of the table very soon. And we don’t have much fight in us. Every single team knows how to beat us. It’s only poor finishing from them that has saved us this season. Facing eleventy million shots a match suggests that a bit of practice shooting on target would yield good results against us for any team.

[LF5335]

clio007 said:

I'm sure you would be giving your 100% working in a toxic environment and being managed by a clown

Yes I get he earns millions and should be professional etc etc but he is a human at the end of the day

We have ruined plenty of players over the years.

I reckon if Sancho was under Klopp or Pep he would be a world beater. Let's be honest

Doesn’t matter.

He was up playing PlayStation until the early hours and regularly late for training. There’s no excuse for the u professional way he acted. Bad boss or not, you don’t down tools and play the victim. Unless you’re a feeble minded idiot.

[simon800]

Forester1965 said:

The issue is multiple years without CL (or any other European action). It impacts your ability to attract and finance new signings of the appropriate quality and lengthens the timeline for return to success. Do you avoid a 'kneejerk' and keep ETH in place at the risk next season is no better, or take the decision to act now?

If keeping ETH for next season, they need to give him a new contract. If not the whole club has another whole season of uncertainty, knowing the manager is in the last year of his contract, will he stay, will he go, etc etc and the circus continues. It will be another massive distraction.

Really they need to either keep and give a new contract, or accept what 99% of people can see - that he's doing an appalling job and should be sacked.

[simon800]

LF5335 said:

I got called out to make a manager to replace ETH and when I said Amorim nobody had even heard of him or at least didn’t reply.

Amorim tends to play a 3-4-3, and his formation would be completely unsuited to the players we've got.

I also think he has demanded full control over transfers, which is one of the reasons it didn't work out with the West Ham talks

It would appear that both in terms of tactically and club structure wise he probably isn't a match for us moving forward

[Rusty Old-Banger]

simon800 said:

Forester1965 said:

The issue is multiple years without CL (or any other European action). It impacts your ability to attract and finance new signings of the appropriate quality and lengthens the timeline for return to success. Do you avoid a 'kneejerk' and keep ETH in place at the risk next season is no better, or take the decision to act now?

If keeping ETH for next season, they need to give him a new contract. If not the whole club has another whole season of uncertainty, knowing the manager is in the last year of his contract, will he stay, will he go, etc etc and the circus continues. It will be another massive distraction.

Really they need to either keep and give a new contract, or accept what 99% of people can see - that he's doing an appalling job and should be sacked.

Keep him?! Bit early for drinking today isn't it?!

[bstb3]

Rusty Old-Banger said:

Keep him?! Bit early for drinking today isn't it?!

Oh it's just Simon. He's always wanting to find a way to keep ETH on

Joking aside it's a valid point. What INEOS and co need to do now is make a clear statement of where the land lies. It's gone too far, too far below the level of acceptable to ignore it. Clearly there are issues in the camp with the players wondering what is going on, that will filter out into potential targets etc too. It doesn't help anyone or anything to keep the uncertainty.

They need to back him, properly, if they intend to or make it clear that it's going to change. It's probably ahead of their schedule, bad for them and especially without the major players in place, but waiting can be harmful.

So, snafu again, our natural state this past 12 years or so.

[clio007]

LF5335 said:

clio007 said:

I'm sure you would be giving your 100% working in a toxic environment and being managed by a clown

Yes I get he earns millions and should be professional etc etc but he is a human at the end of the day

We have ruined plenty of players over the years.

I reckon if Sancho was under Klopp or Pep he would be a world beater. Let's be honest

Doesn’t matter.

He was up playing PlayStation until the early hours and regularly late for training. There’s no excuse for the u professional way he acted. Bad boss or not, you don’t down tools and play the victim. Unless you’re a feeble minded idiot.

I guess Ronaldo is a feeble minded idiot too? He played the victim at UTD

[simon800]

bstb3 said:

Oh it's just Simon. He's always wanting to find a way to keep ETH on

[brake fader]

Look at Ten bobs tenure , it's just absolute dire its not just the results but the signings he's lumbered the club with are enough to sack him. Honestly there is not one player he has signed that's any good, does anybody actually rate one? and then the coaching of the rest of the squad is woeful, tactics ? it's every aspect of management he's failed on. Inios need to bring forward any decision now put intrim in pronto.

[Big Raff]

uk66fastback said:

Moyes got the push because he didn't make top four in his first season - surely Ten Bob must have this in his contract too? LvG won the FA Cup and was sacked the next day from memory. Not sure what INEOS are waiting for ... another four defeats? They'll look as clueless as your other owners if so ...

I think (hope) Tuchel is sown up but don't want any derailment of his involved in CL. When that changes and we get beaten by Arsenal (even though we have become somewhat game raisers we always hated) I reckon its announced. Steve Mac for the final 3 games and the prospect of seeing a goal or two scored by us...and this horrible season goes away.

Or they are waiting for an FA Cup miracle, and then sacking him the next day for sts and giggles
Or they are waiting for another four defeats, with a 15-0 aggregate for sts and giggles

[57Ford]

Big Raff said:

Or they are waiting for another four defeats, with a 15-0 aggregate for sts and giggles

It would certainly strengthen the case (if any further evidence were needed) that he’s underperformed and therefore due less of a payoff.

[Challo]

clio007 said:

I guess Ronaldo is a feeble minded idiot too? He played the victim at UTD

Ronaldo was always about him, always has and always will be. Funny how he got himself fired and pretty soon after he was offered a mega money deal in Saudi.

He did play the victim in the end, even more so with his embarrassing interview with cheerleader in chief Morgan.

[Frimley111R]

So we've got a rapidly declining team and Ineos who want to take a long term view. I'm not sure they have that luxury..

I can't help feeling that football teams are run by idiots who manage more idiots. At the top levels of the sport managers and clubs don't seem to have any plans or any ideas on how to succeed despite decades of experience.

[LF5335]

Big Raff said:

I think (hope) Tuchel is sown up but don't want any derailment of his involved in CL. When that changes and we get beaten by Arsenal (even though we have become somewhat game raisers we always hated) I reckon its announced. Steve Mac for the final 3 games and the prospect of seeing a goal or two scored by us...and this horrible season goes away.

Or they are waiting for an FA Cup miracle, and then sacking him the next day for sts and giggles
Or they are waiting for another four defeats, with a 15-0 aggregate for sts and giggles

Why wait for Arsenal? We are already in 8th we can’t fall much further and there’s no chance of us rising further up the table. He’s in til the end of the season. Just more PL defeats and one FA Cup defeat to go. I wonder if we’ll have the heaviest defeat in the final after conceding the fastest goal last season. This is a season for breaking records after all.

[TownIdiot]

Frimley111R said:

So we've got a rapidly declining team and Ineos who want to take a long term view. I'm not sure they have that luxury..

I can't help feeling that football teams are run by idiots who manage more idiots. At the top levels of the sport managers and clubs don't seem to have any plans or any ideas on how to succeed despite decades of experience.

Doesn't take much to turn it round and give everyone some fun and hope.

You won't enjoy the comparison however klopp may have taken time to win stuff - but more or less straight away the football changed and the fans were able to get behind what was going on.

If ineos have employed the right senior people that will make a massive difference to the culture of the club, which is where it has to start.

[franki68]

Sancho has had maybe 2-3 good games for dortmund .I watched a few games and he was poor in all of them .
I hope he has a fantastic final so we can get a st load of money for him but he’s an ahole and best rid of .