The Official Tottenham Hotspud thread [Vol 8]
Discussion
lionelf said:
I keep hearing this mantra that City, Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool will all strengthen this summer. Who are all of these players that will be flooding into all of those clubs? Can somebody please give me a list of these available superstars who'll be slipping into a red shirt next season.
The Premier league already has everybody of any note that doesn't play for Europes elite (the true elite of Munich, Paris, Barcelona and R.Madrid). Who's left for the EPL clubs that they don't already have? Pogba? Is he coming?
Who exactly (of any note) will willingly join say Arsenal that is better than they already have? Pep at City might persuade one or two good (but not great) players to jump ship to them but the Likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United will be left to scratch about again for players that aren't any better than they already have. Look at who United had to fight to get last summer, kids with potential that may or may not be fulfilled. I think the supporters of the fallen English giants are living in cloud cuckoo land and not seeing the new European reality. It will be change for change sake for them again this summer. Their will be no game-changers joining. The likes of Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema will fending off advances from the EPL with pointy sticks.
All the money in the world wont get the players who could make a difference leave the top La Liga clubs to come here. Far from normal service being resumed next season I expect the plight of Liverpool and the rest to worsen as the new TV money kicks in. West Ham playing in a prestige 60k arena will also be looking at a higher grade of player.
Leicester have just won the league by playing their brand of football better than anyone else played theirs. They had great teamwork, their players fought for every goal and victory. They don't have any so called "superstars" - what makes you think superstars are what every club will be after in the summer?The Premier league already has everybody of any note that doesn't play for Europes elite (the true elite of Munich, Paris, Barcelona and R.Madrid). Who's left for the EPL clubs that they don't already have? Pogba? Is he coming?
Who exactly (of any note) will willingly join say Arsenal that is better than they already have? Pep at City might persuade one or two good (but not great) players to jump ship to them but the Likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United will be left to scratch about again for players that aren't any better than they already have. Look at who United had to fight to get last summer, kids with potential that may or may not be fulfilled. I think the supporters of the fallen English giants are living in cloud cuckoo land and not seeing the new European reality. It will be change for change sake for them again this summer. Their will be no game-changers joining. The likes of Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema will fending off advances from the EPL with pointy sticks.
All the money in the world wont get the players who could make a difference leave the top La Liga clubs to come here. Far from normal service being resumed next season I expect the plight of Liverpool and the rest to worsen as the new TV money kicks in. West Ham playing in a prestige 60k arena will also be looking at a higher grade of player.
I can't speak much for the other clubs, but until Klopp started playing kids in the league, we had form that would have had us knocking on the door of top four had Klopp been with us since the start of the season. Next season we're either going to be in the Champions League courtesy of a EL win, or we won't have European football at all - cutting down our fixture list. So we're either going to be able to attract a slightly better calibre of player to plug the gaps in our squad or we'll have more time to work with our current squad to prepare them for each match. I think top three will probably be out of our reach, but I'm sure we'll be there or there abouts for that fourth spot.
lionelf said:
Leroy902 said:
Well then, this season was titenham hotspurs one opportunity to lift the title, and fail miserably they did. Normal service will be resumed next season with the big boys spending big, probably poaching afew of your players along the way, and you lot going back to the mid-table position that's been set aside for you all these years. 
Goodnight
I keep hearing this mantra that City, Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool will all strengthen this summer. Who are all of these players that will be flooding into all of those clubs? Can somebody please give me a list of these available superstars who'll be slipping into a red shirt next season.Goodnight
The Premier league already has everybody of any note that doesn't play for Europes elite (the true elite of Munich, Paris, Barcelona and R.Madrid). Who's left for the EPL clubs that they don't already have? Pogba? Is he coming?
Who exactly (of any note) will willingly join say Arsenal that is better than they already have? Pep at City might persuade one or two good (but not great) players to jump ship to them but the Likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United will be left to scratch about again for players that aren't any better than they already have. Look at who United had to fight to get last summer, kids with potential that may or may not be fulfilled. I think the supporters of the fallen English giants are living in cloud cuckoo land and not seeing the new European reality. It will be change for change sake for them again this summer. Their will be no game-changers joining. The likes of Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema will fending off advances from the EPL with pointy sticks.
All the money in the world wont get the players who could make a difference leave the top La Liga clubs to come here. Far from normal service being resumed next season I expect the plight of Liverpool and the rest to worsen as the new TV money kicks in. West Ham playing in a prestige 60k arena will also be looking at a higher grade of player.
antspants said:
I'm a happy Leicester fan this morning, but came on here to make comment on last night and the season. The above pretty much sums of my thoughts.
Spurs teams of the last few years have not had the grit nor passion that was displayed last night. Yes they lost their heads and got dragged down to the level Chelsea wanted, and I think you could see from the first little kick that Walker gave Pedro earlier on that the nerves and tension were there, but they showed how badly they wanted it and how frustrated they were when they knew it had gone. I think John Terry (amazingly) got it spot on in his post match interview, stating it's a derby game, with a lot on the line, and the passion showed.
Spurs have a great squad of young players, a superb manager, and will only get better from here, last night will have a been a good learning experience along the way.
I wish you a little bit of luck for next year
Cheers fella , go & enjoy being champions , well deserves.Spurs teams of the last few years have not had the grit nor passion that was displayed last night. Yes they lost their heads and got dragged down to the level Chelsea wanted, and I think you could see from the first little kick that Walker gave Pedro earlier on that the nerves and tension were there, but they showed how badly they wanted it and how frustrated they were when they knew it had gone. I think John Terry (amazingly) got it spot on in his post match interview, stating it's a derby game, with a lot on the line, and the passion showed.
Spurs have a great squad of young players, a superb manager, and will only get better from here, last night will have a been a good learning experience along the way.
I wish you a little bit of luck for next year
TEKNOPUG said:
Well the they could have signed Mahrez, Kante, Vardy, Payet, Alli, Alderweireld, Rose, Morgan, Defoe, Ighalo, Sigurdsson, Deeney, Arnautovic, Ayew, Pelle, Mane, Long......all players that have been consistently better than the majority of player's from the team's you mention. It's just down to lazy scouting and a belief that only a proven "star" will be good enough. And demand from fans to spend millions. The league has become complacent, thinking that it can just throw money at a problem rather than investing time & effort in finding the right players. You'll note that all the players I mentioned play for the poorer teams, who can't just throw money at a probably. Or those that actually have a plan and some foresight. If there is one thing this season has demonstrated, is that success does not require 100s of millions spent on "galacticos".
It's not lazy scouting. You're only able to pick out those players in hindsight. If anyone had been asked at the beginning of the season those players would have been amongst 30-40 other players in the Premier League that could go on to have good seasons.In fact Kante was their backup choice - Leicester originally wanted Jordan Veretout, but he opted to go to Villa and Leicester went on to sign Kante.
jammy_basturd said:
Leicester have just won the league by playing their brand of football better than anyone else played theirs. They had great teamwork, their players fought for every goal and victory. They don't have any so called "superstars" - what makes you think superstars are what every club will be after in the summer?
I never said they'd be after superstars I said that the only thing that could make them any better than they already are is an influx of superstars. It's the fans of these other teams that are saying they'll strengthen in the summer, my argument is who are they going to get to join that'll 'strengthen' them?The inference from these fans is that they'll spend big in the summer to change things for next season. My argument is that there is not enough quality out there to satisfy all of them so maybe Chelsea might improve or perhaps Arsenal but all of them? Not a hope.
TEKNOPUG said:
Well the they could have signed Mahrez, Kante, Vardy, Payet, Alli, Alderweireld, Rose, Morgan, Defoe, Ighalo, Sigurdsson, Deeney, Arnautovic, Ayew, Pelle, Mane, Long......all players that have been consistently better than the majority of player's from the team's you mention. It's just down to lazy scouting and a belief that only a proven "star" will be good enough. And demand from fans to spend millions. The league has become complacent, thinking that it can just throw money at a problem rather than investing time & effort in finding the right players. You'll note that all the players I mentioned play for the poorer teams, who can't just throw money at a probably. Or those that actually have a plan and some foresight. If there is one thing this season has demonstrated, is that success does not require 100s of millions spent on "galacticos".
Although I think it's important to note Ighalo only had a good first half. Second half he's done diddly-squat.
lionelf said:
I never said they'd be after superstars I said that the only thing that could make them any better than they already are is an influx of superstars. It's the fans of these other teams that are saying they'll strengthen in the summer, my argument is who are they going to get to join that'll 'strengthen' them?
The inference from these fans is that they'll spend big in the summer to change things for next season. My argument is that there is not enough quality out there to satisfy all of them so maybe Chelsea might improve or perhaps Arsenal but all of them? Not a hope.
Well again I disagree. Strengthening a side isn't just about buying superstar players and spending lots of money.The inference from these fans is that they'll spend big in the summer to change things for next season. My argument is that there is not enough quality out there to satisfy all of them so maybe Chelsea might improve or perhaps Arsenal but all of them? Not a hope.
City have probably the best manager in the World coming to them in the summer. Just that means they'll be stronger next year. Chelsea have a manager coming to them that should get them playing more like a team - I highly doubt they'll finish as low as 9th.
However, I do agree in part - I don't think ALL those clubs will be better. Arsenal will always be Arsenal whilst Wenger is there and the same with Utd and LVG.
Puggit said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Well the they could have signed Mahrez, Kante, Vardy, Payet, Alli, Alderweireld, Rose, Morgan, Defoe, Ighalo, Sigurdsson, Deeney, Arnautovic, Ayew, Pelle, Mane, Long......all players that have been consistently better than the majority of player's from the team's you mention. It's just down to lazy scouting and a belief that only a proven "star" will be good enough. And demand from fans to spend millions. The league has become complacent, thinking that it can just throw money at a problem rather than investing time & effort in finding the right players. You'll note that all the players I mentioned play for the poorer teams, who can't just throw money at a probably. Or those that actually have a plan and some foresight. If there is one thing this season has demonstrated, is that success does not require 100s of millions spent on "galacticos".
Although I think it's important to note Ighalo only had a good first half. Second half he's done diddly-squat.
Those decent promising young players at Man Utd may as well look to get out if Jose takes over.
jammy_basturd said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Well the they could have signed Mahrez, Kante, Vardy, Payet, Alli, Alderweireld, Rose, Morgan, Defoe, Ighalo, Sigurdsson, Deeney, Arnautovic, Ayew, Pelle, Mane, Long......all players that have been consistently better than the majority of player's from the team's you mention. It's just down to lazy scouting and a belief that only a proven "star" will be good enough. And demand from fans to spend millions. The league has become complacent, thinking that it can just throw money at a problem rather than investing time & effort in finding the right players. You'll note that all the players I mentioned play for the poorer teams, who can't just throw money at a probably. Or those that actually have a plan and some foresight. If there is one thing this season has demonstrated, is that success does not require 100s of millions spent on "galacticos".
It's not lazy scouting. You're only able to pick out those players in hindsight. If anyone had been asked at the beginning of the season those players would have been amongst 30-40 other players in the Premier League that could go on to have good seasons.In fact Kante was their backup choice - Leicester originally wanted Jordan Veretout, but he opted to go to Villa and Leicester went on to sign Kante.
Whether it was luck or not, it still proves that you don't need to spend a fortune on Galacticos.
Cie said:
It's funny how sore some are in here and what petulant little s
ts some of your players are. 
Trolled by a fan of the second richest team in the world who are currently 5th (FIFTH). Priceless.ts some of your players are. I don't think any Spur's fans consider us losers this season, for what, finishing second? Sore? We're beyond delighted!
Does 5th feel like a win to you?
mickk said:
chrisb92 said:
You're deluded if you don't think that squad needs a few additions.
Yet we still qualified for CL football with our poor squad, I'm with you on Mason he should have scored to make it 1-3.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff