Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
Discussion
allegro said:
This will ruin the game if not applied sensibly. If they are going to be that anal about the letter of the law then the second pen should have been retaken as a French player encroached the box again before it was kicked!
Utter rubbish!
You've seen F1 right?...Utter rubbish!
I am sure it'll improve but in the short term its going to work well in some cases and not so much in others.
Driver101 said:
Again your lack of actually watching the incidents is making you get the wrong end of the stick.
Both the penalty decisions, with the keeper moving inches off the line, have been given by VAR. The ref has been instructed and not consulted.
I know. That's how it works for offsides and keeper coming off the line. No need to consult the ref, like goal line tech, you just tell him. It's binary. Unlike many other decisions. Both the penalty decisions, with the keeper moving inches off the line, have been given by VAR. The ref has been instructed and not consulted.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I know. That's how it works for offsides and keeper coming off the line. No need to consult the ref, like goal line tech, you just tell him. It's binary. Unlike many other decisions.
That isn't what you said just one post ago.TwigtheWonderkid said:
The ref views the whole pen and is entitled to decide what to do about encroachment, keeper off the line, etc. I think the Fifa directive is keeper off the line trumps encroachment. It's the first offence he will consider. If the keeper stays on the line, he then considers encroachment.
You didn't see the incident and are clearly putting in a lot of guesswork. I've asked where this directive you've referred to and you can't come up with it either.
Do you really know, or are just just guessing?
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 19th June 21:28
When my lads were reffing, they'd get loads of directives in the summer from the FA, advising of changes in interpretation. Laws don't change that often, interpretation does. I'm sure the whole pen thing came in years ago, not recently.
Just watched the Scotland game. Another pen retake. All the pundits are saying it's not fair, but her back foot is a good 2 ft off the line. So far it probably would have been a retake without VAR.
Just watched the Scotland game. Another pen retake. All the pundits are saying it's not fair, but her back foot is a good 2 ft off the line. So far it probably would have been a retake without VAR.
Driver101 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I know. That's how it works for offsides and keeper coming off the line. No need to consult the ref, like goal line tech, you just tell him. It's binary. Unlike many other decisions.
That isn't what you said just one post ago.TwigtheWonderkid said:
When my lads were reffing, they'd get loads of directives in the summer from the FA, advising of changes in interpretation. Laws don't change that often, interpretation does. I'm sure the whole pen thing came in years ago, not recently.
Just watched the Scotland game. Another pen retake. All the pundits are saying it's not fair, but her back foot is a good 2 ft off the line. So far it probably would have been a retake without VAR.
Her back foot was 2ft of the line? Just watched the Scotland game. Another pen retake. All the pundits are saying it's not fair, but her back foot is a good 2 ft off the line. So far it probably would have been a retake without VAR.
You can't seem to judge anything and guess everything.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Driver101, are you going to answer my question about how much it's ok for the keeper to break the law re coming off the line before he/she gets penalised for it?
I think the common sense that all refs used to use was working well. Supporters often complain about poor decisions and mistakes. Recalling someone taking a tiny stride off the line never comes up. Before this world cup penalty taking was never such a mess. This level of scrutiny has never been applied and it won't ever be applied again.
So far you're about the only one that agrees with it.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 20th June 09:20
Driver101 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Driver101, are you going to answer my question about how much it's ok for the keeper to break the law re coming off the line before he/she gets penalised for it?
I think the common sense that all refs used to use was working well. Supporters often complain about poor decisions and mistakes. Recalling someone taking a tiny stride off the line never comes up. Before this world cup penalty taking was never such a mess. This level of scrutiny has never been applied and it won't ever be applied again.
So far you're about the only one that agrees with it.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 20th June 09:20
But people in favour of VAR were saying how important it was to get the big decisions right. (I don't think it is, I think it's good for football to get some big decisions wrong). And now players are rightly being called offside for having the tip of their boot too far forward (Lingard v Holland) and pens being retaken rightly for keeper coming off the line, they are moaning about it. So do they want the big decisions to be right, or don't they?
jcremonini said:
All that changes is more games will be won or lost on the correct decision as opposed to an incorrect decision as before. And that is not a bad thing to me.
I think it's a bad thing. I think feeling you've been cheated out of a match, or got away with murder, are a key part of the experience. We remember those incidents as vividly as the great goals or great saves. Plus they can offer comfort. Lampard's disallowed goal v Germany at the 2010 WC. Millions of fans have convinced themselves that going in 2-2 at HT would have meant a whole different outcome, and we were cheated. Forgetting we lost 4-1 to a far better team. Had we gone in 2-2, the Germans would have been furious, having outplayed us for 40 of the first 45 mins, and would have come out 2nd half and given us a right hiding. IMHO.
But it's a debate to be had. What debates will we have when all the decisions are right?
LotusOmega375D said:
I wonder how they'll handle any penalty shoot-outs in the knock-out stages. They could go on for hours...
Either they will be abandoned as the keeper will get 2 yellows and be off...then the outfield player goes in goal and gets sent off, repeat until only the ref is left, or the keepers all standstill as have to be on the line and watch it roll in until someone dies of boredom.The yellow card business is crap, some of the penalties that were 'handball' were never in a million years deliberate, only way is to sign defenders with no arms.
Wonder how many keepers will be suspended due to top up of the yellows or sent off during the EPL season?
I believe 20/21 season will see the following keeper and defender aids being introduced...they will be operated by the pointless extra goal line ref assistants present at European matches (who will be executed by shock from the cattle prods they carry if they breathe during the 10 minutes of VAR replay and retakes...)
Edited by Wonderman on Thursday 20th June 11:46
Edited by Wonderman on Thursday 20th June 11:47
Edited by Wonderman on Thursday 20th June 11:48
Wonderman said:
Indeed 'No VAR for keeper encroachment at penalties in Premier League' at least gives some suspense of possible of saving rather than just chalk it up as a goal.
I thought the supporters of VAR wanted to use it to "get the big decisions right". Is a penalty being saved by illegal keeper encroachment not a big decision? A team has a pen saved when they may have scored if the keeper hadn't moved forward.I'm finding it increasingly difficult to understand the logic of the VAR supporters.
Haha. I've just read that BBC story. Did anyone else notice this newly implemented little nugget?
"In other tweaks to the penalty laws, the kick cannot be taken while the goalkeeper is touching the woodwork or nets - or if the net or posts are still moving after being touched."
Well that's sorted that big problem out then...
In all my years of watching professional football, live and on the TV, I have never seen a goalkeeper try and save a penalty whilst wobbling the woodwork or hanging from the net.
Maybe the penalty taker should wear a blindfold to even things up a bit?
"In other tweaks to the penalty laws, the kick cannot be taken while the goalkeeper is touching the woodwork or nets - or if the net or posts are still moving after being touched."
Well that's sorted that big problem out then...
In all my years of watching professional football, live and on the TV, I have never seen a goalkeeper try and save a penalty whilst wobbling the woodwork or hanging from the net.
Maybe the penalty taker should wear a blindfold to even things up a bit?
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