The Official Scottish Football Thread (Vol. 2)
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I thought Celtic played very well today, but Aberdeen were poor. That could have been double figures today.
The life was sucked out the game after the Furuhashi incident and took a while to recover. Rubezic should have been red carded for that incident. He didn't have any chance of winning the ball. How can you hit someone with such force to knock them unconscious, but it's not deemed endangering an opponent or excessive force?
The referee booked Rubezic so he thought it was a foul. If he thought it was a foul it should have automatically been a red card due to the force and danger.
How good does Palma look?
The life was sucked out the game after the Furuhashi incident and took a while to recover. Rubezic should have been red carded for that incident. He didn't have any chance of winning the ball. How can you hit someone with such force to knock them unconscious, but it's not deemed endangering an opponent or excessive force?
The referee booked Rubezic so he thought it was a foul. If he thought it was a foul it should have automatically been a red card due to the force and danger.
How good does Palma look?
scoopdydoo said:
6 penalties in the last 4 domestic games for The Rangers.
Very blatant cheating both by the young player and the officials today. The refs must be making a mint in the bookies on Tav(pen) to score anytime.
Today was a real low for VAR in Scotland. I thought this season had started off well regarding officiating after the nonsense last season, but it has gone down the pan in recent weeks. Far too many mistakes, controversial decisions, inconsistent decisions, and poor presentation to prove decisions. VAR is bringing itself into thr main focus. Very blatant cheating both by the young player and the officials today. The refs must be making a mint in the bookies on Tav(pen) to score anytime.
How that VAR official reviewed that dive and thought it was a penalty is inexcusable. Everyone knew that was a dive instantly. To then go on and award a penalty for a handball that happened due to the challenge shows there is someone unable to make balanced decisions.
It will be interesting to see what is said after what happened. English football has come out and admitted errors and tried to explain why they've happened. It will be interesting to see the justification what happened today.
Driver101 said:
Today was a real low for VAR in Scotland. I thought this season had started off well regarding officiating after the nonsense last season, but it has gone down the pan in recent weeks. Far too many mistakes, controversial decisions, inconsistent decisions, and poor presentation to prove decisions. VAR is bringing itself into thr main focus.
How that VAR official reviewed that dive and thought it was a penalty is inexcusable. Everyone knew that was a dive instantly. To then go on and award a penalty for a handball that happened due to the challenge shows there is someone unable to make balanced decisions.
It will be interesting to see what is said after what happened. English football has come out and admitted errors and tried to explain why they've happened. It will be interesting to see the justification what happened today.
Not holding any hope for any referee in Scotland to admit they've made a mistake, they probably wouldn't be allowed to referee for whatever team gained and there would be no one left to officiate on Rangers games.How that VAR official reviewed that dive and thought it was a penalty is inexcusable. Everyone knew that was a dive instantly. To then go on and award a penalty for a handball that happened due to the challenge shows there is someone unable to make balanced decisions.
It will be interesting to see what is said after what happened. English football has come out and admitted errors and tried to explain why they've happened. It will be interesting to see the justification what happened today.
hongkongdonkey said:
Apologies to anyone offended by some noise.Minute silences are of course observed impeccably at Ibrox, as they remember the clubs who died before them.
dalzo said:
Another year another vile embarrassment from Celtic fans.
Can’t even blame it on the ultras this year.
Hard to consider as plenty of Celtic players served during the world wars with 1 iirc winning a vc.
Plenty of Irish served too.
Backwards knuckle dragging morons.
At least your own team have toned it down since the halycon days of it's a knockout with sectarian ditties being blared out by the troops Can’t even blame it on the ultras this year.
Hard to consider as plenty of Celtic players served during the world wars with 1 iirc winning a vc.
Plenty of Irish served too.
Backwards knuckle dragging morons.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/r...
Strocky said:
At least your own team have toned it down since the halycon days of it's a knockout with sectarian ditties being blared out by the troops
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/r...
Can’t see in the article any relevance to what you’ve said and I was at that game too, can’t remember anything of the sort.https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/r...
The need to try and create a false equivalence is quite sad though. Did you not have any family affected by the wars?
dalzo said:
Can’t see in the article any relevance to what you’ve said and I was at that game too, can’t remember anything of the sort.
The need to try and create a false equivalence is quite sad though. Did you not have any family affected by the wars?
The article is about the fetishisation of The Military/Britannia that exudes from Ibrox and the top people in the Navy and Raf tell them they're being embarrassing. Awkward.The need to try and create a false equivalence is quite sad though. Did you not have any family affected by the wars?
Why not just stand in silence if you want to remember? It's supposed to be about those that died in the wars, not the military of today. I'm sure 99% of those that died would have told you there's nothing romantic or cool about being a soldier.
The laughable abseiling and canon firing is entirely OTT and more like a show for everyone else that 'Ra Peppul remember best, something evidenced by the quote at the end of that article proudly proclaiming it was the biggest 'memorial' event in Scotland that year. Screams of 'please like me big strong Mr Army Man'.
scoopdydoo said:
The article is about the fetishisation of The Military/Britannia that exudes from Ibrox and the top people in the Navy and Raf tell them they're being embarrassing. Awkward.
Why not just stand in silence if you want to remember? It's supposed to be about those that died in the wars, not the military of today. I'm sure 99% of those that died would have told you there's nothing romantic or cool about being a soldier.
The laughable abseiling and canon firing is entirely OTT and more like a show for everyone else that 'Ra Peppul remember best, something evidenced by the quote at the end of that article proudly proclaiming it was the biggest 'memorial' event in Scotland that year. Screams of 'please like me big strong Mr Army Man'.
It was an article from over decade ago. Mentioned in some poor attempt to create a false equivalence with what happened at the weekend. There’s now an armed forces day to celebrate our current servicemen and women and however way you try and portray it is a good thing. Rememberance day was also handled impeccably by our fansWhy not just stand in silence if you want to remember? It's supposed to be about those that died in the wars, not the military of today. I'm sure 99% of those that died would have told you there's nothing romantic or cool about being a soldier.
The laughable abseiling and canon firing is entirely OTT and more like a show for everyone else that 'Ra Peppul remember best, something evidenced by the quote at the end of that article proudly proclaiming it was the biggest 'memorial' event in Scotland that year. Screams of 'please like me big strong Mr Army Man'.
You’re totally correct why not just stand in silence and remember, there is zero need to boo, jeer and shout.
Like I said there was plenty of Celtic supporters and players involved in the wars why the need to sully their memory.
I’ve added the poem from which the rangers display was taken perhaps yourself, strocky and the wider Celtic support should read it
dalzo said:
It was an article from over decade ago. Mentioned in some poor attempt to create a false equivalence with what happened at the weekend. There’s now an armed forces day to celebrate our current servicemen and women and however way you try and portray it is a good thing. Rememberance day was also handled impeccably by our fans
You’re totally correct why not just stand in silence and remember, there is zero need to boo, jeer and shout.
Like I said there was plenty of Celtic supporters and players involved in the wars why the need to sully their memory.
I’ve added the poem from which the rangers display was taken perhaps yourself, strocky and the wider Celtic support should read it
Why have you decided I need to read it? I was silent. Most of the nearly 59000 people in Celtic Park stayed silent. We know how loud it can get when they all make noise so don’t kid yourself it’s the wider support. You’re totally correct why not just stand in silence and remember, there is zero need to boo, jeer and shout.
Like I said there was plenty of Celtic supporters and players involved in the wars why the need to sully their memory.
I’ve added the poem from which the rangers display was taken perhaps yourself, strocky and the wider Celtic support should read it
Given a large number of Celtic fans have Irish heritage, they’ll likely see the poppy as a symbol of the occupation and oppression they faced for hundreds of years so fair enough if they want to boo. It happens every year, are you really surprised and upset enough to post about it and call people knuckle draggers? Did it ruin your day when people expressed a different opinion to you?
dalzo said:
Can’t see in the article any relevance to what you’ve said and I was at that game too, can’t remember anything of the sort.
The need to try and create a false equivalence is quite sad though. Did you not have any family affected by the wars?
The need to try and create a false equivalence is quite sad though. Did you not have any family affected by the wars?
You sure you where at the game as it was like Takeshi's Castle on steroids that day, don't just take my word for it
https://www.willievass.com/gallery-image/280913-Ra...
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/alex-thomson/blog...
The "false equivalence" is pointing out the hypocrisy and faux moral grandstanding* from your club and it's fans at this time of year
Personally I didn't boo on Sunday but there's something a wee bit off about wanting freedom of speech curtailed to honour those who fought fascism and using the actions of a minority to tarnish a whole set of fans
Unfortunately the whole ethos behind the poppy has been hijacked and lost all sense of it's true meaning these days although there has been a distinct shift in tone this year over previous years about it being more about silent contemplation rather than an ostentatious look at me and why aren't you wearing a poppy you unloyal subject you
scoopdydoo said:
Why have you decided I need to read it? I was silent. Most of the nearly 59000 people in Celtic Park stayed silent. We know how loud it can get when they all make noise so don’t kid yourself it’s the wider support.
Given a large number of Celtic fans have Irish heritage, they’ll likely see the poppy as a symbol of the occupation and oppression they faced for hundreds of years so fair enough if they want to boo. It happens every year, are you really surprised and upset enough to post about it and call people knuckle draggers? Did it ruin your day when people expressed a different opinion to you?
Because both you and strockys reactions to what I said was to post a 10 year old article that doesn’t really slate rangers. You both could have simply ignored the post if you don’t agree much like those in the ground could have stayed quiet it’s only a simple minute silence to show respect.Given a large number of Celtic fans have Irish heritage, they’ll likely see the poppy as a symbol of the occupation and oppression they faced for hundreds of years so fair enough if they want to boo. It happens every year, are you really surprised and upset enough to post about it and call people knuckle draggers? Did it ruin your day when people expressed a different opinion to you?
I’d say 95% of the ground is Scottish with Scottish descent many of them served or were affected so the whole Irish descent thing is a cop out
Absolutely I am all 4 of my great grandfathers served with one dying in Caen as a result of the conditions there. As I type I’ve got his fathers death coin from dying in battle in ww1 sitting on my desk. It’s not about a different opinion it’s about a lack of respect. The old saying if you’ve got nothing nice to say just don’t say anything at all.
Strocky said:
You sure you where at the game as it was like Takeshi's Castle on steroids that day, don't just take my word for it
https://www.willievass.com/gallery-image/280913-Ra...
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/alex-thomson/blog...
The "false equivalence" is pointing out the hypocrisy and faux moral grandstanding* from your club and it's fans at this time of year
Personally I didn't boo on Sunday but there's something a wee bit off about wanting freedom of speech curtailed to honour those who fought fascism and using the actions of a minority to tarnish a whole set of fans
Unfortunately the whole ethos behind the poppy has been hijacked and lost all sense of it's true meaning these days although there has been a distinct shift in tone this year over previous years about it being more about silent contemplation rather than an ostentatious look at me and why aren't you wearing a poppy you unloyal subject you
You’ve posted that up because Celtic are getting slated for their behaviour. It has zero relevance to Sunday, if you’re having to dig up decade old articles to try and equate rangers with Celtic disgracing themselves then that’s embarrassing. https://www.willievass.com/gallery-image/280913-Ra...
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/alex-thomson/blog...
The "false equivalence" is pointing out the hypocrisy and faux moral grandstanding* from your club and it's fans at this time of year
Personally I didn't boo on Sunday but there's something a wee bit off about wanting freedom of speech curtailed to honour those who fought fascism and using the actions of a minority to tarnish a whole set of fans
Unfortunately the whole ethos behind the poppy has been hijacked and lost all sense of it's true meaning these days although there has been a distinct shift in tone this year over previous years about it being more about silent contemplation rather than an ostentatious look at me and why aren't you wearing a poppy you unloyal subject you
Those that jeered and booed are able to do so because of those people that fought it’s not a freedom of speech issue it’s a lack of respect, silence or stay down in the concourse if your not wanting to respect it, if you want to persist with the freedom of speech point then everyone in the uk has the right to call those that jeered it scumbags since they don’t have the human decency to let others honour it.
What on earth is the orange lodge got to do with this?
embarrassing dalzo said:
You’ve posted that up because Celtic are getting slated for their behaviour. It has zero relevance to Sunday, if you’re having to dig up decade old articles to try and equate rangers with Celtic disgracing themselves then that’s embarrassing.
Those that jeered and booed are able to do so because of those people that fought it’s not a freedom of speech issue it’s a lack of respect, silence or stay down in the concourse if your not wanting to respect it, if you want to persist with the freedom of speech point then everyone in the uk has the right to call those that jeered it scumbags since they don’t have the human decency to let others honour it.
What on earth is the orange lodge got to do with this? embarrassing
You're definitely committed to the diametrically opposed dense dolt / informed indocile persona on here, kudos to you Those that jeered and booed are able to do so because of those people that fought it’s not a freedom of speech issue it’s a lack of respect, silence or stay down in the concourse if your not wanting to respect it, if you want to persist with the freedom of speech point then everyone in the uk has the right to call those that jeered it scumbags since they don’t have the human decency to let others honour it.
What on earth is the orange lodge got to do with this?
embarrassing 
Might be an idea to actually read the whole post, wrestle with the nuance, invoke the grey matter and reply with careful consideration of the facts rather than just repeat the rhetoric of your earlier post, just a thought
TBF I too would also deflect if I supported a club who have an ethos of military fetishisasion but when it comes to the crunch their supporters avoided conscription during the World Wars, are prone to bombastically tub thump their solemnity in public but appropriated charity funds to prop up the club in Administration which led to a failure to pay HMRC £56M in taxes & penalties owed (funds that could have been used to support the very troops they laud) if I was blanket chiding others about their lack of respect
scoopdydoo said:
I'd say 95% of the facts here are made up with made up supporting arguments.
Scottish club with Scottish fans if you would like me to change it to majority instead of 95% would that stop you being facetious 
Strocky said:
You're definitely committed to the diametrically opposed dense dolt / informed indocile persona on here, kudos to you
Might be an idea to actually read the whole post, wrestle with the nuance, invoke the grey matter and reply with careful consideration of the facts rather than just repeat the rhetoric of your earlier post, just a thought
TBF I too would also deflect if I supported a club who have an ethos of military fetishisasion but when it comes to the crunch their supporters avoided conscription during the World Wars, are prone to bombastically tub thump their solemnity in public but appropriated charity funds to prop up the club in Administration which led to a failure to pay HMRC £56M in taxes & penalties owed (funds that could have been used to support the very troops they laud) if I was blanket chiding others about their lack of respect
Just a thought that it’d be an idea just to stick on topic rather than trying to insult especially when you’ve failed to comprehend anything I’ve said and deciding to stick with events from over 10 years ago as some sort of stick to try and beat with.Might be an idea to actually read the whole post, wrestle with the nuance, invoke the grey matter and reply with careful consideration of the facts rather than just repeat the rhetoric of your earlier post, just a thought
TBF I too would also deflect if I supported a club who have an ethos of military fetishisasion but when it comes to the crunch their supporters avoided conscription during the World Wars, are prone to bombastically tub thump their solemnity in public but appropriated charity funds to prop up the club in Administration which led to a failure to pay HMRC £56M in taxes & penalties owed (funds that could have been used to support the very troops they laud) if I was blanket chiding others about their lack of respect
Why don’t you compare Sunday with rangers fans on Sunday isn’t that more relevant?
Perhaps the last armed forces day would be more relevant. Tell us what exactly makes it fetishised? Two marines abseiling off the top of the govan stand, hardly reenacting Bloody Sunday is it? Perhaps the erskine veterans on the pitch at half time collecting a cheque is what triggers you? (That cheque taking the RSEA to over a million pounds donated)
Obviously with someone as intellectual as yourself would never post sweeping generalisations or make up facts. So correct me if I’m wrong was the orange order comment implying every rangers fan was in it? If not sway even post something that makes you look so stupid? Also any evidence on the avoiding conscription? The medals in my family say otherwise to me
Rangers accounts must make scary/hilarious reading for those that remember what happened to the old club, depending on what side of the fence you sit on.
Over £4M loss for the year despite bringing in £23M in player sales and also Champions League money, neither of which they will have this year.
Shows just how hard they have to try and how much they have to stretch themselves to keep up with bigger teams like Celtic.
Over £4M loss for the year despite bringing in £23M in player sales and also Champions League money, neither of which they will have this year.
Shows just how hard they have to try and how much they have to stretch themselves to keep up with bigger teams like Celtic.
dalzo said:
(That cheque taking the RSEA to over a million pounds donated)
It took around 15 years to raise £1m. Only taking into account the fans that go to the games and not those who contribute from home, there are about 50k. That means on average each fan contributed an average of £1.33 per YEAR.
Given the scale of the events and how passionate Rangers fan say they are to the cause, why do you think so few are willing to contribute?
I contribute more quickly agreeing to round up my card payments towards charities I don't know than Rangers fans contribute to something they tell us they care deeply about.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 13:21
Driver101 said:
It took around 15 years to raise £1m.
Only taking into account the fans that go to the games and not those who contribute from home, there are about 50k. That means on average each fan contributed an average of £1.33 per YEAR.
Given the scale of the events and how passionate Rangers fan say they are to the cause, why do you think so few are willing to contribute?
I contribute more quickly agreeing to round up my card payments towards charities I don't know than Rangers fans contribute to something they tell us they care deeply about.
That’s just the one charity though isn’t it? So your quick maths isn’t quite what you think it is. A quick check and I was wrong £1.3 million over 14 years.that’s also not calculating donations made outside the RSEA, of which there are plenty as I’ve been in some of the rooms named after supporters clubs. Now can you calculate Celtics? Only taking into account the fans that go to the games and not those who contribute from home, there are about 50k. That means on average each fan contributed an average of £1.33 per YEAR.
Given the scale of the events and how passionate Rangers fan say they are to the cause, why do you think so few are willing to contribute?
I contribute more quickly agreeing to round up my card payments towards charities I don't know than Rangers fans contribute to something they tell us they care deeply about.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 13:21
Seems to be some major major deflection going on here from the Celtic support on the forum. Can’t take being criticised for vile behaviour and so far we have had the OO mentioned, military fetishes and now charitable contributions being forensically analysed.
Just admit that the thousands of wee freaks cosplaying as Irish paramilitary but turning and running at first sight of there rivals totally embarrassed celtic and themselves.
dalzo said:
That’s just the one charity though isn’t it? So your quick maths isn’t quite what you think it is. A quick check and I was wrong £1.3 million over 14 years.that’s also not calculating donations made outside the RSEA, of which there are plenty as I’ve been in some of the rooms named after supporters clubs. Now can you calculate Celtics?
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