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dalzo said:
Driver101 said:
It took around 15 years to raise £1m.
Only taking into account the fans that go to the games and not those who contribute from home, there are about 50k. That means on average each fan contributed an average of £1.33 per YEAR.
Given the scale of the events and how passionate Rangers fan say they are to the cause, why do you think so few are willing to contribute?
I contribute more quickly agreeing to round up my card payments towards charities I don't know than Rangers fans contribute to something they tell us they care deeply about.
That’s just the one charity though isn’t it? So your quick maths isn’t quite what you think it is. A quick check and I was wrong £1.3 million over 14 years.that’s also not calculating donations made outside the RSEA, of which there are plenty as I’ve been in some of the rooms named after supporters clubs. Now can you calculate Celtics? Only taking into account the fans that go to the games and not those who contribute from home, there are about 50k. That means on average each fan contributed an average of £1.33 per YEAR.
Given the scale of the events and how passionate Rangers fan say they are to the cause, why do you think so few are willing to contribute?
I contribute more quickly agreeing to round up my card payments towards charities I don't know than Rangers fans contribute to something they tell us they care deeply about.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 13:21
Seems to be some major major deflection going on here from the Celtic support on the forum. Can’t take being criticised for vile behaviour and so far we have had the OO mentioned, military fetishes and now charitable contributions being forensically analysed.
Just admit that the thousands of wee freaks cosplaying as Irish paramilitary but turning and running at first sight of there rivals totally embarrassed celtic and themselves.
It is the biggest and main charity that Rangers support. The charity they keep highlighting to everyone how much money they have raised for. You also wanted to tell us about the £1m raised, but you didn't want to mention how long it took to raise.
Using your figures of £1.3m over 14 years. It's still only £1.85 per Rangers fan in weekly attendance at Ibrox per YEAR. It's still pocket change no matter how many excuses you try to make.
The disparity between what happens at Ibrox and on the internet, to what happens in real life and in measurable donations doesn't match up. All that poppy waving and pretence about being devoted to war veterans ends for most young aggressive men as soon as they've left Ibrox. It's a crass show of attention seeking.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 14:29
Driver101 said:
Wow, that's a major meltdown and rant over simply challenging a point you made.
It is the biggest and main charity that Rangers support. The charity they keep highlighting to everyone how much money they have raised for. You also wanted to tell us about the £1m raised, but you didn't want to mention how long it took to raise.
Using your figures of £1.3m over 14 years. It's still only £1.85 per Rangers fan in weekly attendance at Ibrox per YEAR. It's still pocket change no matter how many excuses you try to make.
The disparity between what happens at Ibrox and on the internet, to what happens in real life and in measurable donations doesn't match up. All that poppy waving and pretence about being devoted to war veterans ends for most young aggressive men as soon as they've left Ibrox. It's a crass show of attention seeking.
Driver you’re just off a ban for embarrassing yourself, please don’t go down this road again.It is the biggest and main charity that Rangers support. The charity they keep highlighting to everyone how much money they have raised for. You also wanted to tell us about the £1m raised, but you didn't want to mention how long it took to raise.
Using your figures of £1.3m over 14 years. It's still only £1.85 per Rangers fan in weekly attendance at Ibrox per YEAR. It's still pocket change no matter how many excuses you try to make.
The disparity between what happens at Ibrox and on the internet, to what happens in real life and in measurable donations doesn't match up. All that poppy waving and pretence about being devoted to war veterans ends for most young aggressive men as soon as they've left Ibrox. It's a crass show of attention seeking.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 14:29
No major meltdown has taken place please grow up.
Here’s me thinking the rangers charity foundation is the biggest charity rangers support
the RSEA stands for rangers supporters erskine appeal. Keyword being supporters.What a warped mind to believe I’ve deliberately hid how long it’s took to give £1.3 million to charity as if it’s some sort of slight on the rangers support. “Them damn rangers fans have given a million quid to one charity but it took them 14 years I’ll point that out and shame them for it”
Irony is still not your strongpoint, talking about crass while slagging people for donating to charity.
I’ll repeat: all of this has been brought up because Celtics support is facing criticism for there behaviour, a supporter of your rivals has pointed it out and instead of having a moral compass and a shred of human decency you all simply can’t have a rangers supporter pointing criticising and have had to bring up totally irrelevant and poor arguments to make yourselves feel better
dalzo said:
Driver you’re just off a ban for embarrassing yourself, please don’t go down this road again.
I am not just off a ban. Please stop making up lies. The only way you can speak to people is doing this undermining and gaslighting thing. You don't realise how out of order you are.
It was also yourself that introduced the £1m donation into the thread trying to get a reaction. You don't like a simple question about that money.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 17:17
dalzo said:
Irony is still not your strongpoint, talking about crass while slagging people for donating to charity.
My point was actually that most people going to Ibrox are contributing nothing. They don't care enough to contribute a thing. The average contribution per supporter is £1.33-1.85 per year. That means that if supporters are donating £10-20 each, which is normal, a lot of people are contributing absolutely nothing.
Rangers fans pretend they care deeply and contribute greatly. They don't.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 16:58
Driver101 said:
My point was actually that most people going to Ibrox are contributing nothing. They don't care enough to contribute a thing.
The average contribution per supporter is £1.33-1.85 per year. That means that if supporters are donating £10-20 each, which is normal, a lot of people are contributing absolutely nothing.
Rangers fans pretend they care deeply and contribute greatly. They don't.
£1.3 million in charitable contributions to one charity is not nothing. Skewing things things to suit an agenda is just piss poor.The average contribution per supporter is £1.33-1.85 per year. That means that if supporters are donating £10-20 each, which is normal, a lot of people are contributing absolutely nothing.
Rangers fans pretend they care deeply and contribute greatly. They don't.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 16:58
Outwith the RSEA there are 2 or 3 rooms named after RSC’s in erskine because of the donations they give too. All of this is out with the rangers charity foundation. Just for clarity what is the thresh hold for an acceptable charitable donation?
Driver101 said:
My point was actually that most people going to Ibrox are contributing nothing. They don't care enough to contribute a thing.
The average contribution per supporter is £1.33-1.85 per year. That means that if supporters are donating £10-20 each, which is normal, a lot of people are contributing absolutely nothing.
Rangers fans pretend they care deeply and contribute greatly. They don't.
What utter nonsense. You're making up wildly inaccurate numbers to attempt to have a go at Rangers supporters because the celtic support embarrassed the club again. Have a word with yourself. The average contribution per supporter is £1.33-1.85 per year. That means that if supporters are donating £10-20 each, which is normal, a lot of people are contributing absolutely nothing.
Rangers fans pretend they care deeply and contribute greatly. They don't.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 16:58
Celtic can once more refuse to display
poppy emblems on their strip, are the SFA frightened to enforce this ?
Maybe Celtic can relocate to the League of Ireland Premier Division if they have a problem with
belonging to a UK league, then they can display the tricolour to their heart's content.
poppy emblems on their strip, are the SFA frightened to enforce this ?
Maybe Celtic can relocate to the League of Ireland Premier Division if they have a problem with
belonging to a UK league, then they can display the tricolour to their heart's content.
Nethybridge said:
Celtic can once more refuse to display
poppy emblems on their strip, are the SFA frightened to enforce this ?
Maybe Celtic can relocate to the League of Ireland Premier Division if they have a problem with
belonging to a UK league, then they can display the tricolour to their heart's content.
Demanding and forcing someone to wear a certain thing on their person seems awfully, I don't know, Nazi-ish?poppy emblems on their strip, are the SFA frightened to enforce this ?
Maybe Celtic can relocate to the League of Ireland Premier Division if they have a problem with
belonging to a UK league, then they can display the tricolour to their heart's content.
dalzo said:
£1.3 million in charitable contributions to one charity is not nothing. Skewing things things to suit an agenda is just piss poor.
Outwith the RSEA there are 2 or 3 rooms named after RSC’s in erskine because of the donations they give too. All of this is out with the rangers charity foundation. Just for clarity what is the thresh hold for an acceptable charitable donation?
Skewing? Agenda? You raised the topic of the donations. Outwith the RSEA there are 2 or 3 rooms named after RSC’s in erskine because of the donations they give too. All of this is out with the rangers charity foundation. Just for clarity what is the thresh hold for an acceptable charitable donation?
The amount of money raised and the amount of years it has taken is documented and advertised. There is no skewing or made up figures. I did use the amount of fans going to Ibrox to show how trivial the contribution is from the average Rangers fan attending Ibrox.
£1.0-1.3m over 15-17 years between a large fan base for an important and the main charity is next to nothing. It is just the average of pocket change from the fans attending the games each year. It's a trivial amount of money and more so how many Rangers fans behave and pretend they contribute so much.
I'm sure there will be more excuses, but I don't want to hear them.
Driver101 said:
Skewing? Agenda? You raised the topic of the donations.
The amount of money raised and the amount of years it has taken is documented and advertised. There is no skewing or made up figures. I did use the amount of fans going to Ibrox to show how trivial the contribution is from the average Rangers fan attending Ibrox.
£1.0-1.3m over 15-17 years between a large fan base for an important and the main charity is next to nothing. It is just the average of pocket change from the fans attending the games each year. It's a trivial amount of money and more so how many Rangers fans behave and pretend they contribute so much.
I'm sure there will be more excuses, but I don't want to hear them.
What is the threshold for charitable donations to be considered acceptable in this instance and why has it bothered you this much to repeat 3 posts writing this utter nonsense.The amount of money raised and the amount of years it has taken is documented and advertised. There is no skewing or made up figures. I did use the amount of fans going to Ibrox to show how trivial the contribution is from the average Rangers fan attending Ibrox.
£1.0-1.3m over 15-17 years between a large fan base for an important and the main charity is next to nothing. It is just the average of pocket change from the fans attending the games each year. It's a trivial amount of money and more so how many Rangers fans behave and pretend they contribute so much.
I'm sure there will be more excuses, but I don't want to hear them.
dalzo said:
Just a thought that it’d be an idea just to stick on topic rather than trying to insult especially when you’ve failed to comprehend anything I’ve said and deciding to stick with events from over 10 years ago as some sort of stick to try and beat with.
Why don’t you compare Sunday with rangers fans on Sunday isn’t that more relevant?
Perhaps the last armed forces day would be more relevant. Tell us what exactly makes it fetishised? Two marines abseiling off the top of the govan stand, hardly reenacting Bloody Sunday is it? Perhaps the erskine veterans on the pitch at half time collecting a cheque is what triggers you? (That cheque taking the RSEA to over a million pounds donated)
Obviously with someone as intellectual as yourself would never post sweeping generalisations or make up facts. So correct me if I’m wrong was the orange order comment implying every rangers fan was in it? If not sway even post something that makes you look so stupid? Also any evidence on the avoiding conscription? The medals in my family say otherwise to me
No triggers here, just find it good sport pointing out background to posted platformed pufferyWhy don’t you compare Sunday with rangers fans on Sunday isn’t that more relevant?
Perhaps the last armed forces day would be more relevant. Tell us what exactly makes it fetishised? Two marines abseiling off the top of the govan stand, hardly reenacting Bloody Sunday is it? Perhaps the erskine veterans on the pitch at half time collecting a cheque is what triggers you? (That cheque taking the RSEA to over a million pounds donated)
Obviously with someone as intellectual as yourself would never post sweeping generalisations or make up facts. So correct me if I’m wrong was the orange order comment implying every rangers fan was in it? If not sway even post something that makes you look so stupid? Also any evidence on the avoiding conscription? The medals in my family say otherwise to me
Kudos on Rangers toning it down and raising funds for our veterans (which the Gov should be funding in the 1st place)
Re "sweeping generalisations or make up facts" sometimes you've got to fire with fire
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Re the OO remark come on now don't make me quote Logan Roy
dalzo said:
That’s just the one charity though isn’t it? So your quick maths isn’t quite what you think it is. A quick check and I was wrong £1.3 million over 14 years.that’s also not calculating donations made outside the RSEA, of which there are plenty as I’ve been in some of the rooms named after supporters clubs. Now can you calculate Celtics?
Seems to be some major major deflection going on here from the Celtic support on the forum. Can’t take being criticised for vile behaviour and so far we have had the OO mentioned, military fetishes and now charitable contributions being forensically analysed.
Just admit that the thousands of wee freaks cosplaying as Irish paramilitary but turning and running at first sight of there rivals totally embarrassed celtic and themselves.
My goodness comparing draft dodging with wee dafties dodging a draught in a deserted car park, scenes absolute scenes Seems to be some major major deflection going on here from the Celtic support on the forum. Can’t take being criticised for vile behaviour and so far we have had the OO mentioned, military fetishes and now charitable contributions being forensically analysed.
Just admit that the thousands of wee freaks cosplaying as Irish paramilitary but turning and running at first sight of there rivals totally embarrassed celtic and themselves.
Nethybridge said:
Celtic can once more refuse to display
poppy emblems on their strip, are the SFA frightened to enforce this ?
Maybe Celtic can relocate to the League of Ireland Premier Division if they have a problem with
belonging to a UK league, then they can display the tricolour to their heart's content.
Mmmm strains of an infamous racist ditty sung by a certain "the peppul"poppy emblems on their strip, are the SFA frightened to enforce this ?
Maybe Celtic can relocate to the League of Ireland Premier Division if they have a problem with
belonging to a UK league, then they can display the tricolour to their heart's content.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19547078.call-...
dalzo said:
mcpoot said:
matchmaker said:
thewarlock said:
I never read or post on this thread anymore, but I thought I'd stick my head in to see if certain people have grown up, or f
ked off, so the thread can be about football again, but nope.
Still the same fkwits, arguing about the same st. Pathetic, it's a shame.
ked off, so the thread can be about football again, but nope.Still the same f
kwits, arguing about the same st. Pathetic, it's a shame.
t different day by the same old sadsacks.But honestly, look at the f
king nick of the last few pages of pathetic s arguing about ww2 and charity contributions cos some fans are s and some people just can't accept it, and tell me it wouldn't just get lost in the sea of bullst being spouted by equally bigotted wkers in different coloured shirts. Iirc, this kind of s
t is why this thread existed, there were threads for the old firm to call each other pedos and zombies and whatnot, and this was for the rest of us.Embarrassing displays here from supposed grown ups.
Celtic fined again by UEFA. I hope the club ban the Green brigade indefinitely. They constantly disgrace the club and are a football equivalent of just stop oil. Why can we not just enjoy the football without the pointless political gesticulation. It’s a rot that’s needs tackled within both of the old firm.
Shambler said:
Celtic fined again by UEFA. I hope the club ban the Green brigade indefinitely. They constantly disgrace the club and are a football equivalent of just stop oil. Why can we not just enjoy the football without the pointless political gesticulation. It’s a rot that’s needs tackled within both of the old firm.
The UEFA fine seems to relate to flying of the Palestinian flag, which is considered a “pro active message of an offensive nature”. UEFA can do one. It seems like Israel and the pro Israel lobby’s prolonged program of trying to shut down any and all perceived criticism has finally paid off. Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff