The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]

[NRS]

curlie467 said:

ras62 said:

Voting is easy. I would be much more impressed if Everton simply went ahead and reduced the prices. It would be a win all ways up for them.
What happened at Anfield yesterday filled me with pride. It was a PR disaster for the club make no mistake. As for some of the apathy shown about prices and the walkout, do you people actually go the games or is it just your forum opinion?

Oh fking hell. Here we go, another tt that comments on going to the games.
What the fk has that got to do with anything, idiot comment.

Not really. Someone commenting about someone being less of a fan for not going to the matches, then yes. But prices for those paying to go every week is something that those who go to the games can comment on a lot more than us who are normally unable to go. Same goes for atmosphere.

[ras62]

curlie467 said:

Oh fking hell. Here we go, another tt that comments on going to the games.
What the fk has that got to do with anything, idiot comment.

If you seriously cannot see the link you are more stupid than you sound. You have an opinion but the weight of your opinion when you are not a paying fan is minimal, its akin to voicing an opinion on a the handling of a car you haven't driven. Tw*t indeed.

[curlie467]

fk it then, I'm out.

[lenandsons]

ras62 said:

If you seriously cannot see the link you are more stupid than you sound. You have an opinion but the weight of your opinion when you are not a paying fan is minimal, its akin to voicing an opinion on a the handling of a car you haven't driven. Tw*t indeed.

Hold on here, are you genuinely saying that as a fan and supporter of this club since 1977, the validity of my support is lessened because I don t go to matches every week (bit frikken difficult to attend from Toronto) ??? If that is your belief I sure as hell hope that you are in a serious minority!!!!

[jammy_basturd]

No, he's saying that it's easy for someone who doesn't go to matches to dismiss the protests because someone who doesn't go to matches isn't get wallet raped and so won't care as much about the issue. I thought that was obvious?!

[ras62]

lenandsons said:

Hold on here, are you genuinely saying that as a fan and supporter of this club since 1977, the validity of my support is lessened because I don t go to matches every week (bit frikken difficult to attend from Toronto) ??? If that is your belief I sure as hell hope that you are in a serious minority!!!!

That is not what I wrote or what I meant which if you read my comments again should be clear. My point is that it's easy to be dismissive of the walkout and apathetic to ticket pricing if you are not directly affected.

I believe there is a middle ground that will solve many of the pricing issues i.e the reintroduction of limited standing areas. Middle of the Kop is already standing, do it properly and prices can be adjusted, gates go up and the atmosphere will improve.

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[Murph7355]

Frankthered said:

It's both, isn't it? There's no doubt that the defence has been poor, particularly when defending a lead, but a more potent attack, taking more of the chances that we've made, would take the pressure off the defence, especially late in games.

It does feel like there will be a lot of changes over the summer.

Flip Martian said:

We need them too - but at 1 point we had 83% possession, against a team at the bottom end of the table, who are not playing well - and nothing to show for it. You can't win games with someone to take the chances - and you don't always get that many to take in the first place.

With just 9mins to go you were 2-0 up! How many do you need against Sunderland!?

You put 5 past Norwich and still only won by 1 goal.

3 past Arsenal...1 point for your trouble.

Only 2 teams outside of the relegation zone have a worse defensive record. Half of the teams (8) in the same position have a worse attacking record.

They may well have had bucket loads of chances missed. But if you can't stop the leak in the bucket you're not going to make progress.

I'd really love to see Liverpool in the top 4. I would have loved to see them take the title when they choked the other year. Get a much better keeper (or pair of) and a decent back 4 (even just bin Sakho and drill the rest hard) and you could easily be there IMO.

(Especially if you could persuade Sturridge not to be such a girl and play to Benteke's strengths a bit more )

[Pommygranite]

Murph7355 said:

Frankthered said:

It's both, isn't it? There's no doubt that the defence has been poor, particularly when defending a lead, but a more potent attack, taking more of the chances that we've made, would take the pressure off the defence, especially late in games.

It does feel like there will be a lot of changes over the summer.

Flip Martian said:

We need them too - but at 1 point we had 83% possession, against a team at the bottom end of the table, who are not playing well - and nothing to show for it. You can't win games with someone to take the chances - and you don't always get that many to take in the first place.

With just 9mins to go you were 2-0 up! How many do you need against Sunderland!?

You put 5 past Norwich and still only won by 1 goal.

3 past Arsenal...1 point for your trouble.

Only 2 teams outside of the relegation zone have a worse defensive record. Half of the teams (8) in the same position have a worse attacking record.

They may well have had bucket loads of chances missed. But if you can't stop the leak in the bucket you're not going to make progress.

I'd really love to see Liverpool in the top 4. I would have loved to see them take the title when they choked the other year. Get a much better keeper (or pair of) and a decent back 4 (even just bin Sakho and drill the rest hard) and you could easily be there IMO.

(Especially if you could persuade Sturridge not to be such a girl and play to Benteke's strengths a bit more )

This - all day long.

We've not scored that many less than Arsenal and the same as Man U but our conceded figures are terrible in contrast.

Our issue isn't so much not scoring, our issue is conceding.

[lenandsons]

ras62 said:

curlie467 said:

Oh fking hell. Here we go, another tt that comments on going to the games.
What the fk has that got to do with anything, idiot comment.

If you seriously cannot see the link you are more stupid than you sound. You have an opinion but the weight of your opinion when you are not a paying fan is minimal, its akin to voicing an opinion on a the handling of a car you haven't driven. Tw*t indeed.

To clear up my confusion you state" You have an opinion but the weight of your opinion when you are a non paying fan is minimal" now I may have missed it but this sounds more like a general comm et than specific to pricing ( which I think is crazy high but my opinion carries minimal weight apparently)

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lenandsons said:

To clear up my confusion you state" You have an opinion but the weight of your opinion when you are a non paying fan is minimal" now I may have missed it but this sounds more like a general comm et than specific to pricing ( which I think is crazy high but my opinion carries minimal weight apparently)

As a regular on here I don't think there is many people claiming to have more valid opinions on things like player choices or similar because they turn up to a match (regularly). You're taking his quote out of context there, which is in regards to the ticket pricing.

Put it this way, if you have to pay £1000 more a year to watch Liverpool play on TV would you accept someone who attends all the games and so doesn't need the TV package to tell you to just stop complaining since they don't use it and it won't have any affect if you try and do anything anyway?

[TTmonkey]

So recapping the weekend. The 77th minute walkout is a bit of a half hearted attempt at a protest. You've already paid the business for the ticket after all.

Until you boycott a match, it isn't going to hurt the owners one bit.

I'd suggest to really send a message you'd need to boycott a home match, probably a cup tie. That would make a difference.

Those that left on 77 minutes had a bargain, watching their team win 2-0. No pain.... home early.

[Flip Martian]

Pommygranite said:

Our issue isn't so much not scoring...

Really? So when did you see one of our players one on one with the oppo goalie and get really excited expecting him to score? If that's recently, then fair enough, but I don't. Ever. Its a pleasant surprise now when we do score. Cherry picking the matches when we scored loads of goals after Klopp took over doesn't really show the real picture.

I actually did say the defence needs sorting too, but without goals you won't win anything. Frankly if we'd taken our chances over the last 3 months there would be a lot less moaning on here.

[m3sye]

TTmonkey said:

So recapping the weekend. The 77th minute walkout is a bit of a half hearted attempt at a protest. You've already paid the business for the ticket after all.

Until you boycott a match, it isn't going to hurt the owners one bit.

I'd suggest to really send a message you'd need to boycott a home match, probably a cup tie. That would make a difference.

Those that left on 77 minutes had a bargain, watching their team win 2-0. No pain.... home early.

You seem to be forgetting i would say 90% of those who left if not more had paid for their ticket a LONG time ago - the walk out was not to hit the pockets but was to highlight a problem, get media behind it and maybe other fans too..
There will be other protests done, but you have to start somewhere..

To think it was pointless is a bit silly when I have seen a big story about it in every broadsheet and red top going, match of the day etc etc
If you genuinely believe hand on you heart that any club wants such bad press then fair enough but I dont for 1 minute think Liverpool as a brand want this bad press.

[bigweb]

Its pretty much impossible to Boycott a match because tickets are paid for in 2 half season 'blocks' The only way to do it would be a cup game but again most people are on the Auto cup scheme.

See the problem?

From what I'm told this walkout is only the beginning. They are going after the sponsors too. I'm all for it. if they want to 'turn supporters into customers' (Their own words) then they best make sure the 'product' is good other wise customers may decide the product isn't worth it.

[TTmonkey]

bigweb said:

Its pretty much impossible to Boycott a match because tickets are paid for in 2 half season 'blocks' The only way to do it would be a cup game but again most people are on the Auto cup scheme.

See the problem?

From what I'm told this walkout is only the beginning. They are going after the sponsors too. I'm all for it. if they want to 'turn supporters into customers' (Their own words) then they best make sure the 'product' is good other wise customers may decide the product isn't worth it.

Fair enough, not really aware of how the cup game ticketing works. I assume if you've bought x amount of league game tickets you get a free cup ticket or something?

[Pommygranite]

Flip Martian said:

Pommygranite said:

Our issue isn't so much not scoring...

Really? So when did you see one of our players one on one with the oppo goalie and get really excited expecting him to score? If that's recently, then fair enough, but I don't. Ever. Its a pleasant surprise now when we do score. Cherry picking the matches when we scored loads of goals after Klopp took over doesn't really show the real picture.

I actually did say the defence needs sorting too, but without goals you won't win anything. Frankly if we'd taken our chances over the last 3 months there would be a lot less moaning on here.

I never cherry picked the matches. I gave the total goals so far which is actually not that far off/is the same as some of th other top 6 teams.

We have however leaked furiously. There's no denying that.

If Mignolet hadn't made so many mistakes we'd have another 15 points which incredibly would make us 2nd - not that I think we would be. And that's without us scoring any more goals than we have.

[m3sye]

bigweb said:

Its pretty much impossible to Boycott a match because tickets are paid for in 2 half season 'blocks' The only way to do it would be a cup game but again most people are on the Auto cup scheme.

See the problem?

From what I'm told this walkout is only the beginning. They are going after the sponsors too. I'm all for it. if they want to 'turn supporters into customers' (Their own words) then they best make sure the 'product' is good other wise customers may decide the product isn't worth it.

Hein in lies the problem of regular attendees not knowing the ticketing process and turning round and saying its pointless we should have not just bought a ticket.. if you are going to be negative at least have all the facts.

Members buy home games in blocks of 9-with very few going on general sale, season ticket holders obviously have already paid start of the season...

Like others have posted, my point about going is not about you supporting the team less but it cant really have any effect on you so you wont feel as passionate about it... If BMW m3's went from 50k to 70k but nothing changed and you only ever bought Audi's, would you really be that bothered?

[A10]

Flip Martian said:

Really? So when did you see one of our players one on one with the oppo goalie and get really excited expecting him to score? If that's recently, then fair enough, but I don't. Ever. Its a pleasant surprise now when we do score.

Milner when clean through against Norwich a few weeks ago.

[Flip Martian]

Pommygranite said:

I never cherry picked the matches. I gave the total goals so far which is actually not that far off/is the same as some of th other top 6 teams.

We have however leaked furiously. There's no denying that.

If Mignolet hadn't made so many mistakes we'd have another 15 points which incredibly would make us 2nd - not that I think we would be. And that's without us scoring any more goals than we have.

No, my reference to cherry picking was another reply to my post earlier which did. We've had a few games where we've scored a lot of goals - but most of the rest of the time, we score very little. We have leaked furiously - but we have for the last 3 years at least, if not more. If Sturridge (or even Benteke) was banging them in though, we'd still have gained those points and be worthy of it. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather we scored goals and were tight at the back. I still can't see how Mignolet let that first goal in on Saturday. Shocking. And I've defended him more than once.

[m3sye]

TTmonkey said:

Fair enough, not really aware of how the cup game ticketing works. I assume if you've bought x amount of league game tickets you get a free cup ticket or something?

nope

Auto cup is a scheme for members, you pick a seat for each cup and it stays the same, you register 1p for each seat and upload you card details then any home game you get your seat and are automatically charged....

Before the season starts on the league process you are offered the chance to buy the 1st 9 home games (as 1 payment) then towards end of the year you are offered the chance again for the 2nd lot of home games
There are 100,000 member card holders and probably 10-15,000 seats for them