The Official Manchester City (World Club Champions)Thread

[tamore]

so Pommy, have you ever been to Manchester?

to call the club a plaything is simply being a dumb sheep. there's a lot more to shakey's involvement in manchester as a whole.

[Pommy]

tamore said:

so Pommy, have you ever been to Manchester?

to call the club a plaything is simply being a dumb sheep. there's a lot more to shakey's involvement in manchester as a whole.

He must just have a big heart and lots of love for Manchester. Definitely no ulterior motives.

[tamore]

Pommy said:

tamore said:

so Pommy, have you ever been to Manchester?

to call the club a plaything is simply being a dumb sheep. there's a lot more to shakey's involvement in manchester as a whole.

He must just have a big heart and lots of love for Manchester. Definitely no ulterior motives.

jesus. i thought it was NZ full of sheep.

if only he was as philanthropic as the glazers/ fenway/ etc. They're all in it for gain of some sort.

[cliffe_mafia]

Pommy said:

I do think Man City was bought purely to raise the PR profile of the UAE and the politician owner of Man City, whom also happens to own the main sponsor, has not run the club like a business but a personal toy to further his own family and country’s aims and has shovelled far more money into it than it has, and will, generate in commercial revenue.

This is nonsense - at least check a few facts before you post. We're the best run 'business' in the league - we've made a profit four years in a row. Sheikh Mansour has spent £1.3bln and the club is worth more than £2bln so not a bad profit if he sells tomorrow. No money has been shovelled just carefully invested.
Most likely is there are a host of reasons why he bought a football club - yes partly for PR but also to diversify away from oil and mainly to make money.

[Pommy]

cliffe_mafia said:

Pommy said:

I do think Man City was bought purely to raise the PR profile of the UAE and the politician owner of Man City, whom also happens to own the main sponsor, has not run the club like a business but a personal toy to further his own family and country’s aims and has shovelled far more money into it than it has, and will, generate in commercial revenue.

This is nonsense - at least check a few facts before you post. We're the best run 'business' in the league - we've made a profit four years in a row. Sheikh Mansour has spent £1.3bln and the club is worth more than £2bln so not a bad profit if he sells tomorrow. No money has been shovelled just carefully invested.
Most likely is there are a host of reasons why he bought a football club - yes partly for PR but also to diversify away from oil and mainly to make money.

Youre either terribly naive, selectively ignorant or just a bit disconnected from reality.

So to make a profit they have to have income. Income that has been shovelled (over €60m in one example that is the basis of the current FFP issue) from one of the Sheiks companies to Man C. Thats not profit, thats just the movement of money to appear like income when in fact is just the owner paying himself from a different fund. And by doing so he can then declare income that supports expenditure and in doing so 'overcome' FFP rules. Its not real income and thats why its not real profit and thats why the threat of the Champ League ban is real (which wont happen as the Sheik is richer than UEFA... and will bury the matter in a cost battle he'll win).

You also already had a £49m fine for breaching FFP in 2014 - thats a fact you feel is nonsense.

Let me show you a few other facts you feel i didnt check.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2018/03/...

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/europ...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46132272

https://www.apnews.com/a5471168438748a7b7fdc5e3d46...

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/03/08/football/manc...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/06/m...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/07/ma...

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/nov/11/manche...

https://www.football365.com/news/amnesty-owners-us...

[stuartmmcfc]

Pommy said:

Youre either terribly naive, selectively ignorant or just a bit disconnected from reality.

So to make a profit they have to have income. Income that has been shovelled (over €60m in one example that is the basis of the current FFP issue) from one of the Sheiks companies to Man C. Thats not profit, thats just the movement of money to appear like income when in fact is just the owner paying himself from a different fund. And by doing so he can then declare income that supports expenditure and in doing so 'overcome' FFP rules. Its not real income and thats why its not real profit and thats why the threat of the Champ League ban is real (which wont happen as the Sheik is richer than UEFA... and will bury the matter in a cost battle he'll win).

You also already had a £49m fine for breaching FFP in 2014 - thats a fact you feel is nonsense.

Let me show you a few other facts you feel i didnt check.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2018/03/...

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/europ...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46132272

https://www.apnews.com/a5471168438748a7b7fdc5e3d46...

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/03/08/football/manc...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/06/m...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/07/ma...

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/nov/11/manche...

https://www.football365.com/news/amnesty-owners-us...

You’ve to much time on your hands mate.

[cliffe_mafia]

Pommy said:

Youre either terribly naive, selectively ignorant or just a bit disconnected from reality.

So to make a profit they have to have income. Income that has been shovelled (over €60m in one example that is the basis of the current FFP issue) from one of the Sheiks companies to Man C. Thats not profit, thats just the movement of money to appear like income when in fact is just the owner paying himself from a different fund. And by doing so he can then declare income that supports expenditure and in doing so 'overcome' FFP rules. Its not real income and thats why its not real profit and thats why the threat of the Champ League ban is real (which wont happen as the Sheik is richer than UEFA... and will bury the matter in a cost battle he'll win).

You also already had a £49m fine for breaching FFP in 2014 - thats a fact you feel is nonsense.

Let me show you a few other facts you feel i didnt check.

I wasn't disputing the fact that our owners broke the rules in the beginning - teams have had sugar daddies since football began. If we get caught and punished (again) I can live with it. Spending had to be accelerated so we could break into the established cartel before the FFP drawbridge slammed shut. I have no issue with this.

You stated our owner "has not run the club like a business but a personal toy" - which is blatantly false (or either terribly naive, selectively ignorant or just a bit disconnected from reality).

If you want to do some more research, Google the price paid and what the club is worth now - these are the facts you seem to be missing,

Oh, and the £49m fine was reduced by £33.4m three years later after meeting the requirements of the sanctions.

[BrabusMog]

The irony of being given a £49m fine for spending too much money is extremely strong.

[jammy-git]

cliffe_mafia said:

You stated our owner "has not run the club like a business but a personal toy" - which is blatantly false (or either terribly naive, selectively ignorant or just a bit disconnected from reality).

If you want to do some more research, Google the price paid and what the club is worth now - these are the facts you seem to be missing,

No properly run business relies on income from other companies owned by the same person to over-inflate the companies value and get around industry regulations.

[dasigty]

Here you go boys, this should sort things out for you. :0)

https://youtu.be/1rcqwRgVvvw

[anonymous-user]

dasigty said:

Here you go boys, this should sort things out for you. :0)

https://youtu.be/1rcqwRgVvvw

I know you'll never have the history or cache of the bigger clubs, but there is no need to be jealous - you've got it good at the moment.

[stuartmmcfc]

Look muppet, we are a big club now.
We’re on volume 2 now!

[dasigty]

desolate said:

I know you'll never have the history or cache of the bigger clubs, but there is no need to be jealous - you've got it good at the moment.

Ha ha, History does go back further than the nineties you know, made it then, still making it today.

[anonymous-user]

dasigty said:

Ha ha, History does go back further than the nineties you know, made it then, still making it today.

Being a Liverpool fan I am fully aware of that.
Nice to see your acknowledgement.

[dasigty]

desolate said:

Being a Liverpool fan I am fully aware of that.
Nice to see your acknowledgement.

Yeah, that also means I know that the biggest ever FA cup defeat of 0-12 was inflicted by a certain Manchester City on you at your home ground. and what you were before Shankly (The second best British manager ever). ;0)

[tamore]

desolate said:

dasigty said:

Ha ha, History does go back further than the nineties you know, made it then, still making it today.

Being a Liverpool fan I am fully aware of that.
Nice to see your acknowledgement.

what? i have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make.

[anonymous-user]

dasigty said:

Yeah, that also means I know that the biggest ever FA cup defeat of 0-12 was inflicted by a certain Manchester City on you at your home ground. and what you were before Shankly (The second best British manager ever). ;0)

Not quite sure we're you are coming from as we'd won the league 5 times before Shankly.

[Black can man]

fk me !, i got pelters when i mentioned Liverpool's spending the other day

Let it go fellas , Moaning & bhing isn't going to change anything.

[bigpriest]

Next up...an exposé of every club's finances, particularly investments with links to the Middle East. Also the "surprising" connections between Chairmen, Directors and the companies that generate their income. <yawn>

I wonder if City's owners had been from the good ol' US of A, whether any of this bile would have arisen from other clubs?

[anonymous-user]

tamore said:

desolate said:

dasigty said:

Ha ha, History does go back further than the nineties you know, made it then, still making it today.

Being a Liverpool fan I am fully aware of that.
Nice to see your acknowledgement.

what? i have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make.

I am aware that there is history prior to 1990 and that I am pleased the the poster recognises same.
As a Liverpool Fan my favourite part of football's pre 1990 history is c. 1964 - 1989 and I was surprised that this particular poster raised.

It wasn't a riddle.