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Yes a great return, absolutely. I’ve not seen much of him either.
I don’t think the players I mention were panic buys, I think we’ve specifically seen some value in the Balkans - Grezda is a good player but not quite firing, Barasic similar, Katic has been excellent towards the end of the season. The others have been no risk loan signings that didn’t work out. Sometimes you get a Kent or Defoe or Benkovic and sometimes you get Ejaria or Sadiq it Musonda.
I imagine we’re waiting to see if anything pans out with Morelos or any other transfers out before moving further on any guaranteed starting XI players.
I don’t think the players I mention were panic buys, I think we’ve specifically seen some value in the Balkans - Grezda is a good player but not quite firing, Barasic similar, Katic has been excellent towards the end of the season. The others have been no risk loan signings that didn’t work out. Sometimes you get a Kent or Defoe or Benkovic and sometimes you get Ejaria or Sadiq it Musonda.
I imagine we’re waiting to see if anything pans out with Morelos or any other transfers out before moving further on any guaranteed starting XI players.
I wouldn't say loans were risk free. Some of this guys take hefty salaries home and some big signing fees too especially if you read the quotes about Musonda.
Benkovic looks like a good player, but that wasn't really a surprise since Leicester paid £12-14m for him. He did end up injured for a while and he won't be back in Scotland.
It's good to see quality players, but sometimes I think teams depend too much on short term solutions.
Benkovic looks like a good player, but that wasn't really a surprise since Leicester paid £12-14m for him. He did end up injured for a while and he won't be back in Scotland.
It's good to see quality players, but sometimes I think teams depend too much on short term solutions.
simoid said:
Few signings moving already.
Rangers and Celtic taking some of the bright sparks from Motherwell, Killie and Aberdeen. Rangers also securing the permanent signing of Davis too - he took a wee while to get going but he’s an absolute touch of class in that midfield.
Interesting that Celtic shell out £3m for a teenager off a decent 6 months, but wouldn’t do the same for McGinn.
Aah, but McGinn wasn't good enough for Celtic apparently. Celtic fans said he'd never get a start and he couldn't wash the boots of their then current midfield.Rangers and Celtic taking some of the bright sparks from Motherwell, Killie and Aberdeen. Rangers also securing the permanent signing of Davis too - he took a wee while to get going but he’s an absolute touch of class in that midfield.
Interesting that Celtic shell out £3m for a teenager off a decent 6 months, but wouldn’t do the same for McGinn.
Celtic expected him to fall at their feet and thought he would crack and be sold for peanuts. And when Celtic did match Villa's offer McGinn (quite rightly) chose Villa.
I'd hope all teams in Scotland have learnt from that fiasco.
Edinburger said:
Aah, but McGinn wasn't good enough for Celtic apparently. Celtic fans said he'd never get a start and he couldn't wash the boots of their then current midfield.
Celtic expected him to fall at their feet and thought he would crack and be sold for peanuts. And when Celtic did match Villa's offer McGinn (quite rightly) chose Villa.
I'd hope all teams in Scotland have learnt from that fiasco.
I would have said most Celtic fans were furious that McGinn wasn't signed. There was lots of complaints about the handling of the signing. Celtic expected him to fall at their feet and thought he would crack and be sold for peanuts. And when Celtic did match Villa's offer McGinn (quite rightly) chose Villa.
I'd hope all teams in Scotland have learnt from that fiasco.
Didn't Hibs also quote Celtic one price, then agree a deal for a good bit less with Villa?
Driver101 said:
I would have said most Celtic fans were furious that McGinn wasn't signed. There was lots of complaints about the handling of the signing.
Didn't Hibs also quote Celtic one price, then agree a deal for a good bit less with Villa?
The McGinn saga wasn't handled well by anyone, but the fact remains he ended up on (if I recall correctly) twice the salary at Villa.Didn't Hibs also quote Celtic one price, then agree a deal for a good bit less with Villa?
Driver101 said:
I would have said most Celtic fans were furious that McGinn wasn't signed. There was lots of complaints about the handling of the signing.
Didn't Hibs also quote Celtic one price, then agree a deal for a good bit less with Villa?
That’s surely standard negotiation.Didn't Hibs also quote Celtic one price, then agree a deal for a good bit less with Villa?
“Much you want?”
“Fiver”
“Give you two quid”
“Nah, call it £3?”
abzmike said:
The McGinn saga wasn't handled well by anyone, but the fact remains he ended up on (if I recall correctly) twice the salary at Villa.
I read before that Villa were paying him £45-50k per week, but other reports suggest Celtic matched Villa at £23k. I would imagine he'll get a healthy increase next season too.
Driver101 said:
abzmike said:
The McGinn saga wasn't handled well by anyone, but the fact remains he ended up on (if I recall correctly) twice the salary at Villa.
I read before that Villa were paying him £45-50k per week, but other reports suggest Celtic matched Villa at £23k. I would imagine he'll get a healthy increase next season too.
Driver101 said:
Edinburger said:
Aah, but McGinn wasn't good enough for Celtic apparently. Celtic fans said he'd never get a start and he couldn't wash the boots of their then current midfield.
Celtic expected him to fall at their feet and thought he would crack and be sold for peanuts. And when Celtic did match Villa's offer McGinn (quite rightly) chose Villa.
I'd hope all teams in Scotland have learnt from that fiasco.
I would have said most Celtic fans were furious that McGinn wasn't signed. There was lots of complaints about the handling of the signing. Celtic expected him to fall at their feet and thought he would crack and be sold for peanuts. And when Celtic did match Villa's offer McGinn (quite rightly) chose Villa.
I'd hope all teams in Scotland have learnt from that fiasco.
Didn't Hibs also quote Celtic one price, then agree a deal for a good bit less with Villa?
Celtic increased their bid to £1.5m and eventually met Villa's bid which Hibs accepted and McGinn chose Villa.
Why would he have chosen Celtic over Villa?
JuniorD said:
Driver101 said:
abzmike said:
The McGinn saga wasn't handled well by anyone, but the fact remains he ended up on (if I recall correctly) twice the salary at Villa.
I read before that Villa were paying him £45-50k per week, but other reports suggest Celtic matched Villa at £23k. I would imagine he'll get a healthy increase next season too.
Edinburger said:
No, that's not true.
Celtic increased their bid to £1.5m and eventually met Villa's bid which Hibs accepted and McGinn chose Villa.
Why would he have chosen Celtic over Villa?
I guess we will never know the internal facts, but Celtic were allegedly quoted a far higher price than Villa.Celtic increased their bid to £1.5m and eventually met Villa's bid which Hibs accepted and McGinn chose Villa.
Why would he have chosen Celtic over Villa?
I'm sure Celtic were quoted £4.5m and Villa £2.8m if reports are correct.
I guess Celtic thought they'd get him as he is a big Celtic fan and wanted to play for the club.
He said himself that he chose Villa as he'd get more first team football there.
Villa are a big club that should be in the premier league. However, they've been badly cheating the financial rules and would been in real trouble if they didn't get out of the championship this season.
abzmike said:
The McGinn saga wasn't handled well by anyone, but the fact remains he ended up on (if I recall correctly) twice the salary at Villa.
Talking of transfer sagas - Celtic have tweeted to say that they have made a fantastic offer and that it’s up to the player and agent if they want to sign. How peculiar seeing a transfer negotiation on social media from a professional football club. Looks a bit like a threat that it’s a final offer.simoid said:
Hibs would be quite right to put a premium on a Celtic bid. Hibs wouldn’t want him playing against them for Celtic so a move to a different league is more desirable.
There’s some truth in that. If it was up to me, I wouldn’t want Hibs selling any players to Celtic or Rangers ever again. And for two reasons: i) so they don’t play against us and ii) so their career doesn’t die if they don’t get game time. Driver101 said:
Edinburger said:
No, that's not true.
Celtic increased their bid to £1.5m and eventually met Villa's bid which Hibs accepted and McGinn chose Villa.
Why would he have chosen Celtic over Villa?
I guess we will never know the internal facts, but Celtic were allegedly quoted a far higher price than Villa.Celtic increased their bid to £1.5m and eventually met Villa's bid which Hibs accepted and McGinn chose Villa.
Why would he have chosen Celtic over Villa?
I'm sure Celtic were quoted £4.5m and Villa £2.8m if reports are correct.
I guess Celtic thought they'd get him as he is a big Celtic fan and wanted to play for the club.
He said himself that he chose Villa as he'd get more first team football there.
Villa are a big club that should be in the premier league. However, they've been badly cheating the financial rules and would been in real trouble if they didn't get out of the championship this season.
But if you were John, why would you pick Celtic over Villa?
A small sniff at European football v playing big teams in packed stadiums every single week?
Edinburger said:
I don’t believe there was different prices quoted.
But if you were John, why would you pick Celtic over Villa?
A small sniff at European football v playing big teams in packed stadiums every single week?
Half the championship has lower average attendances than Hibs.But if you were John, why would you pick Celtic over Villa?
A small sniff at European football v playing big teams in packed stadiums every single week?
John said he chose Villa as he would get more first team football.
Edited by Driver101 on Saturday 15th June 10:49
DocJock said:
Cynic that I am, I somehow doubt that the player is the problem...
Perhaps the player saw the procession of Celtic signings who get plonked out on loan then sold on and didn’t fancy being one. I did read his main factor was first team football so fair play if so. Celtic will inevitably put forward the view that it was agent/money/unreasonable player to save face.We’re in new ground if Celtic can’t sign a teenager from Motherwell, despite wheeling the captain out talking about it in press conferences, tweeting about him, etc. Looks very amateur.
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