Luis Saurez vs Patrice Evra
Discussion
I'd read it as probably neither bloke was too keen on the shake, hence Evra's hand being lower, and Suarez not making much of an effort to find it.
If it had been left at that, then fair enough, but Evra than makes something out of the situation.
Childish - probably. Not quite sure what he was hoping to gain from it other than making Suarez look a cock, which he walked into and went for hook, line and sinker.
If it had been left at that, then fair enough, but Evra than makes something out of the situation.
Childish - probably. Not quite sure what he was hoping to gain from it other than making Suarez look a cock, which he walked into and went for hook, line and sinker.
hornetrider said:
Not at all. I condemned him at the time, I have no qualms about condemning anyone if they've done wrong. Looks to me as if Evra has done his best to make it as awkward as possible for Suarez to go for the shake. His definitely drops his hand. When you see all 11 players go past, he drops his hand for Suarez.
Camera angle makes it looks worse than it actually is anyways for me. If anything it was perhaps a case of both players thinking they'll both go part way and see what the other does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Oed8OT4vw&fea...
Regardless, this whole handshake debacle in the prem right be is just pathetic. Darren Fletcher rightly said that they should be left alone completely and then you decide as a player at the end of the game if you want to go and congratulate / acknowledge another player at the end of the game.
In amateur football shaking someone's hand before a game is just weird.
craigb84 said:
Camera angle makes it looks worse than it actually is anyways for me. If anything it was perhaps a case of both players thinking they'll both go part way and see what the other does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Oed8OT4vw&fea...
Regardless, this whole handshake debacle in the prem right be is just pathetic. Darren Fletcher rightly said that they should be left alone completely and then you decide as a player at the end of the game if you want to go and congratulate / acknowledge another player at the end of the game.
In amateur football shaking someone's hand before a game is just weird.
Are you the type that gets pissed on a sat night and then trys to break players legs on yor Sunday league games. Sportsmanship is something that we require in football and your comments reflect the dire status quo in the prem league. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Oed8OT4vw&fea...
Regardless, this whole handshake debacle in the prem right be is just pathetic. Darren Fletcher rightly said that they should be left alone completely and then you decide as a player at the end of the game if you want to go and congratulate / acknowledge another player at the end of the game.
In amateur football shaking someone's hand before a game is just weird.
craigb84 said:
hornetrider said:
Don't think either of them wanted it tbh, but Evra's hand is down by his side, albeit open. Whereas for the other players it is up out front.
So I think Hornetrider has called it spot on neither wanted it, Evra makes the first negative move by withdrawing his outstretched hand, and as the stationary one, he "starts it". Suarez clearly doesnt want to go out of his way to shake it. As for the arm grabbing and childishness after the game, I think Evra's the one who looks like a tool. And his two footed jump in at 20secs in would have seen him sent off if he hadn't been so mistimed that he polaxes his own team mate!
And I have seen players sent off for fouling their own team mates by petulent and wreckless challenges tamer than that, (Sunday League!!).
They're both a couple of tools IMO. But I am not sure there's anything to say they have to shake each others hand. Evra was wrong to grab his arm and I am surprised he was not disciplined for it. Wayne Bridge refused JTs handshake and JT never went all mental at him for it, so I cannot beleive such a greeting is compulsory.
Having watched it a few times now, and initially slating Suarez, it does appear Evra does withdraw slightly. Neither wanted to do the handshake, and neither of them went overboard to make it happen. Evra is trying to make it look like he is making more effort. Does anyone know who the onus is on to make the handshake or is it just a 50/50 mutual thing?
vz-r_dave said:
Are you the type that gets pissed on a sat night and then trys to break players legs on yor Sunday league games. Sportsmanship is something that we require in football and your comments reflect the dire status quo in the prem league.
If I went up to a player I was up against before kick off and said 'here mate shake my hand and I hope you have a good game' it would just come across as weird. In amateur football you don't have the charade and the music and the lineup of players. Afterwards I've always gone and shaken the hand of every player (and the ref) thanking them for the competition.
I don't see where me trying to snap someone comes into it.
ExChrispy Porker said:
How many other team sports start by shaking hands with the opposing team?
After the game, yes, absolutely.
Why does the ritual take place?
This is what I'm getting at. If you watch amateur rugby you'll see a load of blokes batter each other for 80 mins then afterwards it's the old '3 cheers for the other team' and they do a tunnel thing or each other. After the game, yes, absolutely.
Why does the ritual take place?
I believe the pre-match ritual was introduced when the prem started.
craigb84 said:
This is what I'm getting at. If you watch amateur rugby you'll see a load of blokes batter each other for 80 mins then afterwards it's the old '3 cheers for the other team' and they do a tunnel thing or each other.
I believe the pre-match ritual was introduced when the prem started.
Seems ridiculous to me. Enforced sportsmanship is not sportsmanship at all.I believe the pre-match ritual was introduced when the prem started.
If a fan was found guilty of racist abuse he would be banned from the ground and quite possibly from all grounds.
So why is it different for a player.
Fans were arrested on the way into the ground for wearing "provocative" T-shirts or wearing "provocative" masks.
Why do players get away with provocative behaviour.
So why is it different for a player.
Fans were arrested on the way into the ground for wearing "provocative" T-shirts or wearing "provocative" masks.
Why do players get away with provocative behaviour.
s3fella said:
No, he's absolutely correct. Evra's hand is up, open and actually thrust forward as players shake, for Suarez it does drop stays pointed down and does not go toward Suarez's outstretached raised arm. However, Suarez, IMO doesnt go looking for it, his hand is up, and as evra has retracted his hand, he just glides on by to De Gea.
So I think Hornetrider has called it spot on neither wanted it, Evra makes the first negative move by withdrawing his outstretched hand, and as the stationary one, he "starts it". Suarez clearly doesnt want to go out of his way to shake it. As for the arm grabbing and childishness after the game, I think Evra's the one who looks like a tool. And his two footed jump in at 20secs in would have seen him sent off if he hadn't been so mistimed that he polaxes his own team mate!
And I have seen players sent off for fouling their own team mates by petulent and wreckless challenges tamer than that, (Sunday League!!).
They're both a couple of tools IMO. But I am not sure there's anything to say they have to shake each others hand. Evra was wrong to grab his arm and I am surprised he was not disciplined for it. Wayne Bridge refused JTs handshake and JT never went all mental at him for it, so I cannot beleive such a greeting is compulsory.
Hansen and Shearer disagree but as ever Suarez / LFC is the victim. So I think Hornetrider has called it spot on neither wanted it, Evra makes the first negative move by withdrawing his outstretched hand, and as the stationary one, he "starts it". Suarez clearly doesnt want to go out of his way to shake it. As for the arm grabbing and childishness after the game, I think Evra's the one who looks like a tool. And his two footed jump in at 20secs in would have seen him sent off if he hadn't been so mistimed that he polaxes his own team mate!
And I have seen players sent off for fouling their own team mates by petulent and wreckless challenges tamer than that, (Sunday League!!).
They're both a couple of tools IMO. But I am not sure there's anything to say they have to shake each others hand. Evra was wrong to grab his arm and I am surprised he was not disciplined for it. Wayne Bridge refused JTs handshake and JT never went all mental at him for it, so I cannot beleive such a greeting is compulsory.
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