The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
Discussion
hornetrider said:
The problem with this England team boils down to the coaching and management team.
Hodgson is medicrity personified, and Neville - great analyst on the telly but f
ked up at Valencia and no other experience. Look to the England rugby team to how a good coaching setup can transform the same set of players from chumps to achievers.
England came into this tournament with no Plan A or B, no settled side, no system, no consistency of performance. Hodgson didn't know what his best side was, he put round pegs in square holes, he picked the wrong players, the whole thing is just a clusterfk snafu.
Oh - and if Southgate is the answer I have no idea what the question is.
Exactly. I repeated the same when I posted the Mail article by Martin Samuel about what a Coach/Manager can do and a few people said I was being silly. Hodgson is medicrity personified, and Neville - great analyst on the telly but f
ked up at Valencia and no other experience. Look to the England rugby team to how a good coaching setup can transform the same set of players from chumps to achievers.England came into this tournament with no Plan A or B, no settled side, no system, no consistency of performance. Hodgson didn't know what his best side was, he put round pegs in square holes, he picked the wrong players, the whole thing is just a clusterf
k snafu.Oh - and if Southgate is the answer I have no idea what the question is.
Well once again a f
king shambles has come to light. Inspiring a team and setting them up is the very basics of management.
Knowing an opposition team have a long throw where the CB comes up and tasking Wayne Rooney to mark the guy is absolute basics of coaching. I mean that's under 10's stuff! And it was still happening after half time!!!
The Hypno-Toad said:
No questions eh Woy? Here's some for you;
1.) Why did you keep trying to play a system that depended on wingers and then not take any on the bus?
2.) Why did you take one player who has played 45 minutes for his club all season and is clearly not match fit?
3.) Why was one of natural goal poachers taking all the corners and free kicks, when he has spent most of the season in the box scoring goals?
4.) How could you not tailor the team properly so you could start the leading English player in the Premier League this season, one whose passion for the game burns brightly?
5.) Why would you start a player who everyone in the western world could see was having a massive crisis of confidence, which wasn't going to be helped playing from the start in a game of this importance?
6.) Why did you clearly put out your B team against Slovakia? Was it because you believed that we would walk past them and that belief was carried forward into last nights game?
7.) Could you not see that the Spurs players were knackered, both physically and mentally when they turned up for pre-tournament training, having clearly been through the mill at the end of the season and then tailored their preparation for the tournament accordingly?
8.) With all this talk of you having favourites, how could you not have taken one player who has scored in nearly every England game he's played in when you've picked him regularly (despite not having first team football for his club.)? The same player who nearly saved his new club single-handily and would have given us the width we might have needed?
9.) That resignation speech seemed suspiciously well rehearsed, Woy. Had the decision already been made?
And finally, the question that I have been banging on about for years..
10.) Were you or any other previous England manager told by the FA to either play or at least take on the bus, certain players because of their links to the advertising campaigns of England sponsors, despite their lack of fitness or their inability to play in the system that you as manager wanted to play?
I have been banging on about this for years and to me, when you see the decisions that the England managers have made over the last 20 years, it is something that needs serious investigation.
Some very good points there, in particular No.10. Just when were those adverts shot...before the squad was announced..?1.) Why did you keep trying to play a system that depended on wingers and then not take any on the bus?
2.) Why did you take one player who has played 45 minutes for his club all season and is clearly not match fit?
3.) Why was one of natural goal poachers taking all the corners and free kicks, when he has spent most of the season in the box scoring goals?
4.) How could you not tailor the team properly so you could start the leading English player in the Premier League this season, one whose passion for the game burns brightly?
5.) Why would you start a player who everyone in the western world could see was having a massive crisis of confidence, which wasn't going to be helped playing from the start in a game of this importance?
6.) Why did you clearly put out your B team against Slovakia? Was it because you believed that we would walk past them and that belief was carried forward into last nights game?
7.) Could you not see that the Spurs players were knackered, both physically and mentally when they turned up for pre-tournament training, having clearly been through the mill at the end of the season and then tailored their preparation for the tournament accordingly?
8.) With all this talk of you having favourites, how could you not have taken one player who has scored in nearly every England game he's played in when you've picked him regularly (despite not having first team football for his club.)? The same player who nearly saved his new club single-handily and would have given us the width we might have needed?
9.) That resignation speech seemed suspiciously well rehearsed, Woy. Had the decision already been made?
And finally, the question that I have been banging on about for years..
10.) Were you or any other previous England manager told by the FA to either play or at least take on the bus, certain players because of their links to the advertising campaigns of England sponsors, despite their lack of fitness or their inability to play in the system that you as manager wanted to play?
I have been banging on about this for years and to me, when you see the decisions that the England managers have made over the last 20 years, it is something that needs serious investigation.
There's no consequences to their actions, today they'll all be jetting off into the sun when they should be dragged back to the training ground for a full post-mortem.
Oh and their fees for playing in the Euro's should be given to charity.
The English game is rotten from the top to the bottom, I'd love to know how much influence the FA have over the manager's squad.
Oh and their fees for playing in the Euro's should be given to charity.
The English game is rotten from the top to the bottom, I'd love to know how much influence the FA have over the manager's squad.
We need a manager who can get the most from players who either aren't that good or have a massively over inflated view of themselves due to price tags, wages and clubs pandering to them. Or both. And do so with very few games available.
IMO that means Allardyce would be favourite. Redknapp, Pearson or Brown would also be shouts. And I wouldn't be upset if Hoddle got it either, though he was being pretty soft on them commentating.
I wouldn't have Shearer. Did nothing with Newcastle, equally big view of himself. Wouldn't even have him in the camp as I doubt he'd be the epitome of a team player. (Edited to add - I'd definitely have people like Dixon and Wright in the camp).
Of the players we saw at this tournament, I'd only look at Walker (just about, and maybe not as a defender), Smalling, Clyne, Dier, Llana, Rashford, Vardy (system dependent) and Kane (riskily) again. A couple of unused players may be candidates. The rest no way.
IMO that means Allardyce would be favourite. Redknapp, Pearson or Brown would also be shouts. And I wouldn't be upset if Hoddle got it either, though he was being pretty soft on them commentating.
I wouldn't have Shearer. Did nothing with Newcastle, equally big view of himself. Wouldn't even have him in the camp as I doubt he'd be the epitome of a team player. (Edited to add - I'd definitely have people like Dixon and Wright in the camp).
Of the players we saw at this tournament, I'd only look at Walker (just about, and maybe not as a defender), Smalling, Clyne, Dier, Llana, Rashford, Vardy (system dependent) and Kane (riskily) again. A couple of unused players may be candidates. The rest no way.
Edited by Murph7355 on Tuesday 28th June 09:47
The Hypno-Toad said:
No questions eh Woy? Here's some for you;
1.) Why did you keep trying to play a system that depended on wingers and then not take any on the bus?
2.) Why did you take one player who has played 45 minutes for his club all season and is clearly not match fit?
3.) Why was one of natural goal poachers taking all the corners and free kicks, when he has spent most of the season in the box scoring goals?
4.) How could you not tailor the team properly so you could start the leading English player in the Premier League this season, one whose passion for the game burns brightly?
5.) Why would you start a player who everyone in the western world could see was having a massive crisis of confidence, which wasn't going to be helped playing from the start in a game of this importance?
6.) Why did you clearly put out your B team against Slovakia? Was it because you believed that we would walk past them and that belief was carried forward into last nights game?
7.) Could you not see that the Spurs players were knackered, both physically and mentally when they turned up for pre-tournament training, having clearly been through the mill at the end of the season and then tailored their preparation for the tournament accordingly?
8.) With all this talk of you having favourites, how could you not have taken one player who has scored in nearly every England game he's played in when you've picked him regularly (despite not having first team football for his club.)? The same player who nearly saved his new club single-handily and would have given us the width we might have needed?
9.) That resignation speech seemed suspiciously well rehearsed, Woy. Had the decision already been made?
And finally, the question that I have been banging on about for years..
10.) Were you or any other previous England manager told by the FA to either play or at least take on the bus, certain players because of their links to the advertising campaigns of England sponsors, despite their lack of fitness or their inability to play in the system that you as manager wanted to play?
I have been banging on about this for years and to me, when you see the decisions that the England managers have made over the last 20 years, it is something that needs serious investigation.
Oh and Stirling? Two words. Jason Lee.
Good points. 1.) Why did you keep trying to play a system that depended on wingers and then not take any on the bus?
2.) Why did you take one player who has played 45 minutes for his club all season and is clearly not match fit?
3.) Why was one of natural goal poachers taking all the corners and free kicks, when he has spent most of the season in the box scoring goals?
4.) How could you not tailor the team properly so you could start the leading English player in the Premier League this season, one whose passion for the game burns brightly?
5.) Why would you start a player who everyone in the western world could see was having a massive crisis of confidence, which wasn't going to be helped playing from the start in a game of this importance?
6.) Why did you clearly put out your B team against Slovakia? Was it because you believed that we would walk past them and that belief was carried forward into last nights game?
7.) Could you not see that the Spurs players were knackered, both physically and mentally when they turned up for pre-tournament training, having clearly been through the mill at the end of the season and then tailored their preparation for the tournament accordingly?
8.) With all this talk of you having favourites, how could you not have taken one player who has scored in nearly every England game he's played in when you've picked him regularly (despite not having first team football for his club.)? The same player who nearly saved his new club single-handily and would have given us the width we might have needed?
9.) That resignation speech seemed suspiciously well rehearsed, Woy. Had the decision already been made?
And finally, the question that I have been banging on about for years..
10.) Were you or any other previous England manager told by the FA to either play or at least take on the bus, certain players because of their links to the advertising campaigns of England sponsors, despite their lack of fitness or their inability to play in the system that you as manager wanted to play?
I have been banging on about this for years and to me, when you see the decisions that the England managers have made over the last 20 years, it is something that needs serious investigation.
Oh and Stirling? Two words. Jason Lee.
Pity that the spineless
, or anyone else for that matter, wasn't prepared to hang about to explain himself. Spanna said:
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Sturridge out wide, no! He has a lack of crossing ability, he's a central striker.
....
Sturridge to me did 3 good things the whole tournament:Sturridge out wide, no! He has a lack of crossing ability, he's a central striker.
....
1) Scored (still not sure how, but he did)
2) Set up Vardy's goal
3) Whipped a cross in last night that Kane connected with (unfortunately just a bit too centrally for the keeper). He did this with his left foot. So he can cross the ball.
Sterling is obviously right footed looking at how awkward he was down the left always trying to get the ball on his right foot. And Sturridge looks to be left favoured. So why play them on opposite sides of the pitch? (Jenas mentioned this last night, noting it doesn't take the manager to tell you to switch over).
Not that I think it would have made any difference at all. Sterling would still have fallen over more than kick the ball. Sturridge would still have stopped for 10mins every time he got the ball trying his little tricks.
Neither of them should wear an England shirt again (they'll be lucky to be regular club picks now - more so Sterling). Along with half the squad. Absolute shambles and I still think they should all be absolutely ashamed - some apologies to their travelling fans would be very much in order, but I'm not convinced the arrogant knob jockeys would have it in them. Hart's interview last night was pathetic (as an example).
Turquoise said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
I think with their performances over the campaign and with the managers they've got coming in at their clubs, I think Rooney, Hart and Stirling have signed their own transfer requests. Can't see any of them staying where they are, especially Hart. A few other players, Kane for one, will have seen their percieved value fall though the floor too.
I think Sterling is in big big trouble.He's still a young kid.
I wonder how many people will see this as a line in the sand as far as supporting the England International team?
I'd consider myself to be a keen follower, I was at Wembley for a Euro 96 game, I went to Germany in 2006, hunted out a bar in Canada to watch in 2014, I went to the last Euro warm up match at Wembley against Portugal.
On this thread I've been behind England.
But I've thrown the towel in.
Last night was embarrassing. I really thought these were good (not great) players who were a bit of luck away from putting in a decent performance.
But there was some basic stuff done that shocked me. The inclusion of Sterling, conceding so soon after scoring, putting on Rashford with 4 minutes to go, playing Hart when he has looked like an accident waiting to happen, not settling on a line up 3 months ago and sticking with it.
It just looked obvious to all except Roy.
I'm not saying these things mean we would win but at least you could say you were doing basic stuff.
I'm at a loss to explain but something is deeply wrong and i'm done with it. I can't be bothered, can't raise any enthusiasm and yet I love football and love my country but Thankyou4calling has left the building and won't return.
It was almost as if the manager (and players) were saying they know better.
The support for England is phenomenal but I don't see 90,000 turning up any longer for friendlies, I'll be spending my money on other things.
No more for me.
I'd consider myself to be a keen follower, I was at Wembley for a Euro 96 game, I went to Germany in 2006, hunted out a bar in Canada to watch in 2014, I went to the last Euro warm up match at Wembley against Portugal.
On this thread I've been behind England.
But I've thrown the towel in.
Last night was embarrassing. I really thought these were good (not great) players who were a bit of luck away from putting in a decent performance.
But there was some basic stuff done that shocked me. The inclusion of Sterling, conceding so soon after scoring, putting on Rashford with 4 minutes to go, playing Hart when he has looked like an accident waiting to happen, not settling on a line up 3 months ago and sticking with it.
It just looked obvious to all except Roy.
I'm not saying these things mean we would win but at least you could say you were doing basic stuff.
I'm at a loss to explain but something is deeply wrong and i'm done with it. I can't be bothered, can't raise any enthusiasm and yet I love football and love my country but Thankyou4calling has left the building and won't return.
It was almost as if the manager (and players) were saying they know better.
The support for England is phenomenal but I don't see 90,000 turning up any longer for friendlies, I'll be spending my money on other things.
No more for me.
Thankyou4calling said:
I wonder how many people will see this as a line in the sand as far as supporting the England International team?
I'd consider myself to be a keen follower, I was at Wembley for a Euro 96 game, I went to Germany in 2006, hunted out a bar in Canada to watch in 2014, I went to the last Euro warm up match at Wembley against Portugal.
On this thread I've been behind England.
But I've thrown the towel in.
Last night was embarrassing. I really thought these were good (not great) players who were a bit of luck away from putting in a decent performance.
But there was some basic stuff done that shocked me. The inclusion of Sterling, conceding so soon after scoring, putting on Rashford with 4 minutes to go, playing Hart when he has looked like an accident waiting to happen, not settling on a line up 3 months ago and sticking with it.
It just looked obvious to all except Roy.
I'm not saying these things mean we would win but at least you could say you were doing basic stuff.
I'm at a loss to explain but something is deeply wrong and i'm done with it. I can't be bothered, can't raise any enthusiasm and yet I love football and love my country but Thankyou4calling has left the building and won't return.
It was almost as if the manager (and players) were saying they know better.
The support for England is phenomenal but I don't see 90,000 turning up any longer for friendlies, I'll be spending my money on other things.
No more for me.
I agree,I'd consider myself to be a keen follower, I was at Wembley for a Euro 96 game, I went to Germany in 2006, hunted out a bar in Canada to watch in 2014, I went to the last Euro warm up match at Wembley against Portugal.
On this thread I've been behind England.
But I've thrown the towel in.
Last night was embarrassing. I really thought these were good (not great) players who were a bit of luck away from putting in a decent performance.
But there was some basic stuff done that shocked me. The inclusion of Sterling, conceding so soon after scoring, putting on Rashford with 4 minutes to go, playing Hart when he has looked like an accident waiting to happen, not settling on a line up 3 months ago and sticking with it.
It just looked obvious to all except Roy.
I'm not saying these things mean we would win but at least you could say you were doing basic stuff.
I'm at a loss to explain but something is deeply wrong and i'm done with it. I can't be bothered, can't raise any enthusiasm and yet I love football and love my country but Thankyou4calling has left the building and won't return.
It was almost as if the manager (and players) were saying they know better.
The support for England is phenomenal but I don't see 90,000 turning up any longer for friendlies, I'll be spending my money on other things.
No more for me.
I looked at the clock during the game and it read 68 mins 18 secs (I remembered exactly) to which I nearly got up and just walked away to have a early shower. There was no goal coming, you could see invention had left. It wasn't a poor performance, it was a sad one.
Any genuine Liverpool fan could have predicted this, never in my life have I witnessed such a poor manager take over LFC and we have had a few - he is clueless, yes the players are to blame too but he just has no plan, never has never will....what was more worrying was the odds on the next manager, oh my....
If we insist on English it has to be Redknapp for me, not great but one thing he will install is passion which we need during the game not after, crying on the pitch....
I would for my choice pick Bilic, I think he is a very much up and coming manager, knows it inside out and plays the right way, also knows all the English players.
If we insist on English it has to be Redknapp for me, not great but one thing he will install is passion which we need during the game not after, crying on the pitch....
I would for my choice pick Bilic, I think he is a very much up and coming manager, knows it inside out and plays the right way, also knows all the English players.
The mrs and I were in stitches all the way through the game from the time of the Iceland equaliser, honestly it was so funny watching these clueless oiks running around and Hodgson no idea what to do next.
It was worth it going out a round early (the French would have murdered us) to get rid of Hodgson, probably the worst England manager ever, easily up there with Taylor and McLaren.
It was worth it going out a round early (the French would have murdered us) to get rid of Hodgson, probably the worst England manager ever, easily up there with Taylor and McLaren.
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