The Official Chelsea Thread [Vol 3]
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
They never showed a reply of the goalie's poss handball outside the area. If it was, then it was denying a goalscoring opportunity, and as it was outside the box and not a pen, it should have been a red card. Did var look at it and decide it was inside?
BBC did after the game and it wasn't outside. Probably about as close as you can get without it being on the line though.The ball was on the line so no hand ball, they replayed it on the BBC live.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dkhan___/status/1289638...
Apart from the second yellow which could have gone either way and also Xhakas reaction didn't help, the ref had a good game.
It was a good game and on the balance of things I think we just edged it, once Pulisic was injured your attack lost a lot of threat.
It could have gone either way, I think we just wanted it that bit more and we took our chances.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dkhan___/status/1289638...
Apart from the second yellow which could have gone either way and also Xhakas reaction didn't help, the ref had a good game.
It was a good game and on the balance of things I think we just edged it, once Pulisic was injured your attack lost a lot of threat.
It could have gone either way, I think we just wanted it that bit more and we took our chances.
Radec said:
The ball was on the line so no hand ball, they replayed it on the BBC live.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dkhan___/status/1289638...
Apart from the second yellow which could have gone either way and also Xhakas reaction didn't help, the ref had a good game.
It was a good game and on the balance of things I think we just edged it, once Pulisic was injured your attack lost a lot of threat.
It could have gone either way, I think we just wanted it that bit more and we took our chances.
The ref was crap and there's another freeze frame, a couple of frames before the BBC shot where he is clearly outside. Kovacic's second yellow was barely even a foul let alone a booking. Mount getting booked for sod all as well. Taylor gave Chelsea 2 free kicks all game, the first took nearly an hour despite the constant nibbles into the back of Giroud yet anytime an Arsenal player hit the deck he blew up for a free kick. Pedro had his legs taken at the death on the edge of the box and of course he missed that as well.https://mobile.twitter.com/Dkhan___/status/1289638...
Apart from the second yellow which could have gone either way and also Xhakas reaction didn't help, the ref had a good game.
It was a good game and on the balance of things I think we just edged it, once Pulisic was injured your attack lost a lot of threat.
It could have gone either way, I think we just wanted it that bit more and we took our chances.
Taylor cocked it up in 2017 with the handball/offside but gets another final. And no we didn't deserve to win that day either but could take it a bit better without that prat in charge. About as good at his job as Kepa ffs.
Rant over. Arsenal did egde it and deserve it. Now bin off VAR and send Taylor down to the lower divisions. Hopefully Pulisic is alright for the start of next season as he is looking some player. Also gutted for Pedro to get such a freak injury in the last min which could put him out of the start of next season for Roma so hope he's alright as well.
Oh and any chance we can take one of your keepers?!
If you want to say the ref had a bad game then yeah as he should have sent of Azpi for the penalty like he did Luiz for exactly the same foul when they played Man City and our defender was in a better position to Rudiger, scroll to 1.47
https://youtu.be/2OySIByseZQ
I'm not sure how you guys are believing the photoshopped freeze frame that's going round either rather than the live real time footage that shows the ball on the line. There's no way the image isn't edited compared to the video.
Although Xhaka made a meal of it, you can say Kova was sent off for persistent fouls, he could have easily been sent off for a second yellow with a tackle he made like 5 mins after his first yellow. Who knows the ref probablyhad warned him about making any more fouls due to him making quite a few up to that point.
Pepe on Pedro wasn't a foul either he came from the side got his body between the ball and took it away with his feet, can't see anywhere that he was tripped.
The ref was equal for both sides we were just that little bit better in our finishing and mentality in the end.
https://youtu.be/2OySIByseZQ
I'm not sure how you guys are believing the photoshopped freeze frame that's going round either rather than the live real time footage that shows the ball on the line. There's no way the image isn't edited compared to the video.
Although Xhaka made a meal of it, you can say Kova was sent off for persistent fouls, he could have easily been sent off for a second yellow with a tackle he made like 5 mins after his first yellow. Who knows the ref probablyhad warned him about making any more fouls due to him making quite a few up to that point.
Pepe on Pedro wasn't a foul either he came from the side got his body between the ball and took it away with his feet, can't see anywhere that he was tripped.
The ref was equal for both sides we were just that little bit better in our finishing and mentality in the end.
Despite some clearly questionable decisions. I think the real difference was Pulisic pulling his hammy. Amazing to see it had gone but he kept going & still got a shot away despite grimacing in pain. Think the lad is a game changer & if he doesn't;t now get persistent hamstring problems he has a big big future
It's easy to blame the ref when you've seen the incident in super slo mo for 8 different angles. But he get's one look, in real time, and on that basis, none of the decisions were that awful. Kova's 2nd yellow was wrong, but it looked like a yellow when I first watched it live. I said "that's it, he's off." So I made the same error. And var doesn't cover yellow cards.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's easy to blame the ref when you've seen the incident in super slo mo for 8 different angles. But he get's one look, in real time, and on that basis, none of the decisions were that awful. Kova's 2nd yellow was wrong, but it looked like a yellow when I first watched it live. I said "that's it, he's off." So I made the same error. And var doesn't cover yellow cards.
Good and balanced post, I too thought it looked nasty in real time, and only in slo-mo replay realised it was barely a foul. Maybe VAR should extend to second yellows? I know you’re a fan 
If your extending it for second yellows then why not first yellows.
We're already seeing games go to 95/97/100 minutes how much more time does these incidents take up.
Then why not look at any fouls while your at it, which aren't worthy of a card to see if they are.
We might as well just ref the game from a studio and ring a buzzer for everything that is an perceived infringment.
There's already enough stoppages to games as it is and asking for cards to be looked at, is gonna make it worse in my opinion.
We're already seeing games go to 95/97/100 minutes how much more time does these incidents take up.
Then why not look at any fouls while your at it, which aren't worthy of a card to see if they are.
We might as well just ref the game from a studio and ring a buzzer for everything that is an perceived infringment.
There's already enough stoppages to games as it is and asking for cards to be looked at, is gonna make it worse in my opinion.
Adam B said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's easy to blame the ref when you've seen the incident in super slo mo for 8 different angles. But he get's one look, in real time, and on that basis, none of the decisions were that awful. Kova's 2nd yellow was wrong, but it looked like a yellow when I first watched it live. I said "that's it, he's off." So I made the same error. And var doesn't cover yellow cards.
Good and balanced post, I too thought it looked nasty in real time, and only in slo-mo replay realised it was barely a foul. Maybe VAR should extend to second yellows? I know you’re a fan Adam B said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's easy to blame the ref when you've seen the incident in super slo mo for 8 different angles. But he get's one look, in real time, and on that basis, none of the decisions were that awful. Kova's 2nd yellow was wrong, but it looked like a yellow when I first watched it live. I said "that's it, he's off." So I made the same error. And var doesn't cover yellow cards.
Good and balanced post, I too thought it looked nasty in real time, and only in slo-mo replay realised it was barely a foul. "He should never be allowed to ref a match again. The ultra HD slow motion replay from the micro camera hidden in the valve of the ball showed quite clearly that the throw on that led to the goal should have been ours!"
GT03ROB said:
Often though the problem can be with the 1st yellow.... the 2nd could be quite legitimate....though it could be argued that when you are on 1 you should be extra careful. If you look at Mounts yellow he went in for a challenge, the Arse player kicked through the ball & kicked into Mounts foot, how was that a yellow? VAR is not the problem, quality of refs, lack of recognition of football as a contact sport, inability to understand when something is malicious all wrapped up with players rolling around like they've been shot is a bigger problem.
Current rules don't consider whether you got the ball or if there was intent. If you endanger the other player it's either a yellow or a red.jammy-git said:
GT03ROB said:
Often though the problem can be with the 1st yellow.... the 2nd could be quite legitimate....though it could be argued that when you are on 1 you should be extra careful. If you look at Mounts yellow he went in for a challenge, the Arse player kicked through the ball & kicked into Mounts foot, how was that a yellow? VAR is not the problem, quality of refs, lack of recognition of football as a contact sport, inability to understand when something is malicious all wrapped up with players rolling around like they've been shot is a bigger problem.
Current rules don't consider whether you got the ball or if there was intent. If you endanger the other player it's either a yellow or a red.We all know what a late challenge looks like. We all know what a dangerous challenge looks like. We all know what persistent foul play looks like.
I tore ligaments in my knee playing football when I was 19. I was in a challenge with a goalkeeper both after the same ball, both with legs outstretched. I touched the ball past him a fraction before he made contact with my lower leg. Leg twisted at the knee. His challenge wasn't dangerous, it was a legitimate attempt to get to the ball, like mine. A foul probably, a booking no not in my book. What else were we to do? Not go for the ball.
I agree. The rules are stupid. But the clubs have pushed for these changes, not the referees. Clubs have wanted better protection of their players for years - how many times did Chelsea used to complain about Hazard getting kicked all over the pitch? Utd with Ronaldo, us with Salah, etc.
It's getting to the stage where it's very difficult now to go to ground to make a challenge and not cause a foul or get carded. It's a very different game to what it was 15 or 20 years ago!
It's getting to the stage where it's very difficult now to go to ground to make a challenge and not cause a foul or get carded. It's a very different game to what it was 15 or 20 years ago!
jammy-git said:
I agree. The rules are stupid. But the clubs have pushed for these changes, not the referees. Clubs have wanted better protection of their players for years - how many times did Chelsea used to complain about Hazard getting kicked all over the pitch? Utd with Ronaldo, us with Salah, etc.
It's getting to the stage where it's very difficult now to go to ground to make a challenge and not cause a foul or get carded. It's a very different game to what it was 15 or 20 years ago!
Protection for players like Hazard & Ronaldo is sound & a good ref should be able to know the difference on persistent foul play against one player. A few years back Utd came to Chelsea & Mourhino decide to kick Hazard off the park after 20 mins the ref spoke to the Utd captain & just said next foul on Hazard in the book, 2 mins later someone fouled him, in the book.It's getting to the stage where it's very difficult now to go to ground to make a challenge and not cause a foul or get carded. It's a very different game to what it was 15 or 20 years ago!
I don't think anyone is advocating a return to 1970 cup final..... but we can't strip the physical aspect from the game, the final was hardy a physical encounter yet Chelsea ended up with 6 yellows all for fouls!
Regarding Chilwell, one of our ITKs at the club said we've put a price of 90m on him, including a couple of add ons, and we want the majority of it upfront. Mental money if true, I can't see you paying that this summer.
I thought we'd accept 65m, but seems we'll want even more than that! I'd imagine it'll probably end up being 70m or so then add ons, but again, I can't see you paying that.
I thought we'd accept 65m, but seems we'll want even more than that! I'd imagine it'll probably end up being 70m or so then add ons, but again, I can't see you paying that.
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