The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 9)
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Raygun said:
uk66fastback said:
You're all being wise after the event, saying, oh, it was the wrong signings, wrong managers etc, well you weren't all saying that at the time ...
Exactly this!And I'm saying it again, United isn't run like a football club. And even more so considering the amount of resources available.
yonex said:
How fickle are It’d fans, it’s pretty funny. Following the win against City I don’t recall much moaning?
If you want to see fickle fans check out the Manchester United page on facebook. Fans from Africa and the far east absolutely clueless about football but just latched on to Manchester United when they were always winning.I don't really blame Ole. With that squad no manager is going to improve much... How we are stil fifth shows how weak the league is this season.. Thank god.
There was moments last night where we had the ball and we weren't out numbered, we on the attack and then we hit the last third and we just thought, ah wait a minute until Burnley get back and then we will start passing back wards!!?!!! Am sure Ole hasnt insutructed them to do this!
I cant get my head around it, we have some great talent there and Ole's recruitment hasnt been bad tbh
There was moments last night where we had the ball and we weren't out numbered, we on the attack and then we hit the last third and we just thought, ah wait a minute until Burnley get back and then we will start passing back wards!!?!!! Am sure Ole hasnt insutructed them to do this!
I cant get my head around it, we have some great talent there and Ole's recruitment hasnt been bad tbh
yonex said:
How fickle are It’d fans, it’s pretty funny. Following the win against City I don’t recall much moaning?
That's what makes it funny, they just don't help themselves, a little humility goes a long way, but, Ole's at the wheel, United are back! So let him say a number and sign on the dotted line 
likesachange said:
How we are stil fifth shows how weak the league is this season.. Thank god.
You might be doing this unwittingly or indirectly but it is trotted out every time a team that someone doesn't like or a rival is dominating. Some might say it's strong because teams like Burnley can beat teams like United.
selym said:
likesachange said:
How we are stil fifth shows how weak the league is this season.. Thank god.
You might be doing this unwittingly or indirectly but it is trotted out every time a team that someone doesn't like or a rival is dominating. Some might say it's strong because teams like Burnley can beat teams like United.I dont buy that it’s a weak league. It’s just flatter than usual - aside from Liverpool, the better teams aren’t much better than the less good teams.
There’s a decent argument that the flatness results mostly from the bad teams being better as much as it does the good teams being worse.
There would be competition at the top of City wasn’t a plastic club with no spirit. The fact that they’ve fallen apart - with that immense squad - is surprising.
There’s a decent argument that the flatness results mostly from the bad teams being better as much as it does the good teams being worse.
There would be competition at the top of City wasn’t a plastic club with no spirit. The fact that they’ve fallen apart - with that immense squad - is surprising.
DeltonaS said:
Raygun said:
uk66fastback said:
You're all being wise after the event, saying, oh, it was the wrong signings, wrong managers etc, well you weren't all saying that at the time ...
Exactly this!And I'm saying it again, United isn't run like a football club. And even more so considering the amount of resources available.
Sanchez and Pogba were going to be a waste of money?
ORD said:
I dont buy that it’s a weak league. It’s just flatter than usual - aside from Liverpool, the better teams aren’t much better than the less good teams.
There’s a decent argument that the flatness results mostly from the bad teams being better as much as it does the good teams being worse.
There would be competition at the top of City wasn’t a plastic club with no spirit. The fact that they’ve fallen apart - with that immense squad - is surprising.
You are bang on, City and Liverpool have just raised the bar, in the past the top team could. Lose 4-6 games, to average sides but still win The league, that does not happen anymore.There’s a decent argument that the flatness results mostly from the bad teams being better as much as it does the good teams being worse.
There would be competition at the top of City wasn’t a plastic club with no spirit. The fact that they’ve fallen apart - with that immense squad - is surprising.
The lower teams are closer as they have more money and more quality in their teams.
It's a massive myth to suddenly think the leagues weaker than ever before you only have to look at how the champions league teams do and europa league teams do...
Everyone has more money, everyone has better players, more teams are winning at places they didn't used to be ae to win at.
Mr. White said:
We'll win the title again around 3-5 years after the Glazers sell the club.
In fact I'm doubtful we'll ever win it again for as long as we're a PLC.
Who to? There is only one direction the ownership could take and that is probably an unpalatable prospect to a lot of supporters; anniesdad, for example, said he'd never go again if the club got into the 'wrong' hands - for that read Saudi etc.In fact I'm doubtful we'll ever win it again for as long as we're a PLC.
Mr. White said:
We'll win the title again around 3-5 years after the Glazers sell the club.
In fact I'm doubtful we'll ever win it again for as long as we're a PLC.
I don't get this... how does being a PLC prevent United from being successful? It's not like the owners haven't thrown 100's of millions at signings over recent years.In fact I'm doubtful we'll ever win it again for as long as we're a PLC.
United have the 2nd highest spend in the league last 5 years (whether measured by gross or net). It's hardly their fault that the person/people who make the recruitment decisions keep getting it wrong.
I think these sort of conversations are nonsense .
Trying to use facts to prove something that is purely subjective is just garbage .
For every argument there is a counter argument .
Liverpool and city have set a new standard in consistency the last few years that is the only thing that is definite .
Best ever is nonsense ,you can only be the best of that time and currently city and Liverpool are the best .
Breaking records when records are being broken on a regular basis across Europe proves nothing ,and English teams dominating Europe proves nothing ,maybe the English league has improved or maybe the European teams have declined .I don’t think anyone can look at any of the teams that have dominated Europe the last ten years and not say Madrid ,Barca,athletico and Bayern are not pale imitations of themselves .
The league is what it is as it has been for a long time ,1 or 2 teams significantly better than the rest .
Rule changes have made the game so different even comparisons to 15 years ago become meaningless .
Can we get back to slating United please .
Trying to use facts to prove something that is purely subjective is just garbage .
For every argument there is a counter argument .
Liverpool and city have set a new standard in consistency the last few years that is the only thing that is definite .
Best ever is nonsense ,you can only be the best of that time and currently city and Liverpool are the best .
Breaking records when records are being broken on a regular basis across Europe proves nothing ,and English teams dominating Europe proves nothing ,maybe the English league has improved or maybe the European teams have declined .I don’t think anyone can look at any of the teams that have dominated Europe the last ten years and not say Madrid ,Barca,athletico and Bayern are not pale imitations of themselves .
The league is what it is as it has been for a long time ,1 or 2 teams significantly better than the rest .
Rule changes have made the game so different even comparisons to 15 years ago become meaningless .
Can we get back to slating United please .
Mr. White said:
LHRFlightman said:
According to Red Cafe 90%+ want him gone.
Typical "it's all the manager's fault" myopia. We might have a few more points with Poch, but how many times are we going to go through the "sack the manager" cycle without looking at the real issues.Both City and Liverpool have set out a long term plan on how the club should be run, how the football should be played and what type of players they want to bring in to fit into that style / system.
Jose was sacked as the relationship was toxic and needed to be changed. Ole was brought in, and it seems changes had started to be made with the signings (young, english, key positions we needed strengthen in) and players that didn't want to be at the club got rid off (Sanchez, Lukaku, Darmian).
The key now is getting players into the squad who want to play for united and are in the long term plan of the club. If we cant bring anyone in this window, with the injuries we have and the limited depth in the squad then the blame solely lies on Woodward and the Glazers. Ole needs to up his game and get results, but your having to play regularly players like Pereria then not much you can do.
Sacking Ole isn't the answer as it's going to be EXACTLY the same for the next manager. Ole has been left a s
t show of a team who are miles off competing and we all knew this. The problem I have is that he doesn't seem to be getting the best out of them and makes some very very strange tactical decisions. All the while sat in his seat watching the game with no expression. Wheres his passion? His interviews after games are a rinse repeat of "we must try harder" etc but i'm just not convinced. I'm deffo not in the Ole out camp but I do wonder where it's all heading and if he has the ability to get the most out of this group of players. Same goes for his staff, when the cameras are on them they are all sitting down looking clueless as to what to do!
The owners and Woodward...what more can be said other than the blame lies with them and in particular Woodward. The club needs an overhaul from the top and a proper organisation put in place. We have the commercial revenue to be a continual challenger in all aspects if a plan was implemented and operated by knowledgeable people.
Not going to happen while Woodward is there though.
t show of a team who are miles off competing and we all knew this. The problem I have is that he doesn't seem to be getting the best out of them and makes some very very strange tactical decisions. All the while sat in his seat watching the game with no expression. Wheres his passion? His interviews after games are a rinse repeat of "we must try harder" etc but i'm just not convinced. I'm deffo not in the Ole out camp but I do wonder where it's all heading and if he has the ability to get the most out of this group of players. Same goes for his staff, when the cameras are on them they are all sitting down looking clueless as to what to do!The owners and Woodward...what more can be said other than the blame lies with them and in particular Woodward. The club needs an overhaul from the top and a proper organisation put in place. We have the commercial revenue to be a continual challenger in all aspects if a plan was implemented and operated by knowledgeable people.
Not going to happen while Woodward is there though.
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