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[cliffe_mafia]

200Plus Club said:

cliffe_mafia said:

We don't buy the best players. Pep makes them the best players.

Is that what he's upto with Kalvin Phillips? Not playing him ever and then selling him to make him better ?
Pep is a very very good manager but let's not play games, he is given an unlimited budget to buy the pick of the best players he wants for every position, if it doesn't work out they get dropped and moved on and he buys another player for the same position. He gets the best out of players generally but where he can't they just get pushed out.

Starting lineup vs Newcastle - which of these were best players in their positions when we bought them?

Ederson

Walker

Rúben Dias

Aké

Gvardiol

Rodri

Kovacic

Foden

Bernardo Silva

Doku

Álvarez




There's only Haaland I can think of. But we buy all the best players

[tamore]

cliffe_mafia said:

Starting lineup vs Newcastle - which of these were best players in their positions when we bought them?

Ederson

Walker

Rúben Dias

Aké

Gvardiol

Rodri

Kovacic

Foden

Bernardo Silva

Doku

Álvarez




There's only Haaland I can think of. But we buy all the best players

don't ask them difficult questions they can't answer. a sneer and a rofl emoji is all you'll get.

[tamore]

200Plus Club said:

cliffe_mafia said:

We don't buy the best players. Pep makes them the best players.

Is that what he's upto with Kalvin Phillips? Not playing him ever and then selling him to make him better ?
Pep is a very very good manager but let's not play games, he is given an unlimited budget to buy the pick of the best players he wants for every position, if it doesn't work out they get dropped and moved on and he buys another player for the same position. He gets the best out of players generally but where he can't they just get pushed out.

so he has to have a 100% success rate with players to get your nod?

i give you rodri. awful in his first season and really did look like a lemon of a buy. pep has changed him into a player who walks into any team on the planet.

[TEKNOPUG]

He's managed to spend €1500m on players that weren't the best in their position....the man's a genius

[Chris Stott]

cliffe_mafia said:

Starting lineup vs Newcastle - which of these were best players in their positions when we bought them?

Ederson

Walker

Rúben Dias

Aké

Gvardiol

Rodri

Kovacic

Foden

Bernardo Silva

Doku

Álvarez




There's only Haaland I can think of. But we buy all the best players

Ederson €40m (in 17/18)
Walker €53m (in 17/18)
Rúben Dias €72m
Aké €45m
Gvardiol €90m
Rodri €70m
Kovacic €30m
Foden
Bernardo Silva €50m (in 17/18)
Doku €60m
Álvarez €21m

€530m

If they weren’t the best players in their position they had better have been very close or you spent half a billion euros on average players

[tamore]

Chris Stott said:

Ederson €40m (in 17/18)
Walker €53m (in 17/18)
Rúben Dias €72m
Aké €45m
Gvardiol €90m
Rodri €70m
Kovacic €30m
Foden
Bernardo Silva €50m (in 17/18)
Doku €60m
Álvarez €21m

€530m

If they weren’t the best players in their position they had better have been very close or you spent half a billion euros on average players

oh dear. you're well off your game not including grealish.

[Chris Stott]

tamore said:

oh dear. you're well off your game not including grealish.

He wasn't in the quoted starting line up.

[tamore]

Chris Stott said:

tamore said:

oh dear. you're well off your game not including grealish.

He wasn't in the quoted starting line up.

oh aye. but if you sold that list now, there's possibly only gvardiol that you wouldn't make a profit on. that's just good business, no?

Edited by tamore on Thursday 18th January 22:56

[TEKNOPUG]

Imagine the team they could have if there was no FFP!

[Chris Stott]

tamore said:

Chris Stott said:

tamore said:

oh dear. you're well off your game not including grealish.

He wasn't in the quoted starting line up.

oh aye. but if you sold that list now, there's possibly only guardiola that you wouldn't make a profit on. that's just good business, no?

Who do you reckon you could sell for a profit out of that line up?

Foden aside.

[Chris Stott]

TEKNOPUG said:

Imagine the team they could have if there was no FFP!

I don't think City have operated with any regard to FFP... they've bought whoever they wanted to and then just invented some more fake sponsorship deals to cover the costs.

[LF5335]

tamore said:

oh aye. but if you sold that list now, there's possibly only guardiola that you wouldn't make a profit on. that's just good business, no?

You’re joking. You’d make a profit on
Ederson
Rodri if he went to Real,
Foden, because he cost nothing, but is very good now
Alvarez, but it wouldn’t be huge, as he’s yet to really show if he’s definitely world class.

The rest are either very recent signings, or are nearing the end of their careers. All of that team was big money. Pep generally does improve players, but I agree with the comment that he buys them when they’re good and improves them, or gets fed up and ships them out. Sterling was his golden boy, then he just seemed to have had enough. Who’s next?

Chris Stott said:

Ederson €40m (in 17/18)
Walker €53m (in 17/18)
Rúben Dias €72m
Aké €45m
Gvardiol €90m
Rodri €70m
Kovacic €30m
Foden
Bernardo Silva €50m (in 17/18)
Doku €60m
Álvarez €21m

€530m

If they weren’t the best players in their position they had better have been very close or you spent half a billion euros on average players

[tamore]

Chris Stott said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Imagine the team they could have if there was no FFP!

I don't think City have operated with any regard to FFP... they've bought whoever they wanted to and then just invented some more fake sponsorship deals to cover the costs.

i'll play this game. the sponsorship deals are currently in line with other premier league clubs. at what point going backwards do you think they were artificially inflated baring in mind 5 in 6?

[Chris Stott]

tamore said:

i'll play this game. the sponsorship deals are currently in line with other premier league clubs. at what point going backwards do you think they were artificially inflated baring in mind 5 in 6?

They've been inflated since they were bought by the Sheik..

City has the biggest commercial income in the premier league, despite having a fraction of the support and global pull of the other top clubs... no way would City have that level of income they have if their main sponsors weren't (in effect) the same company (country!).


It's an epic con.

[tamore]

Chris Stott said:

tamore said:

i'll play this game. the sponsorship deals are currently in line with other premier league clubs. at what point going backwards do you think they were artificially inflated baring in mind 5 in 6?

They've been inflated since they were bought by the Sheik..

City has the biggest commercial income in the premier league, despite having a fraction of the support and global pull of the other top clubs... no way would City have that level of income they have if their main sponsors weren't (in effect) the same company (country!).


It's an epic con.

so in your mind, the club who have 5 pots on show have overinflated sponsorship deals. oooooooo kaaaaaayyy….

just because city don't have a load of clingon fans around the world as a legacy of once-upon-a-time dominance (all as a result of financial doping i might add), they aren't as marketable?

[Chris Stott]

tamore said:

so in your mind, the club who have 5 pots on show have overinflated sponsorship deals. oooooooo kaaaaaayyy….

just because city don't have a load of clingon fans around the world as a legacy of once-upon-a-time dominance (all as a result of financial doping i might add), they aren't as marketable?

If City have such a massive marketing pull, how come most of their major sponsors are are part of the same parent group?

Fans are what make a club marketable… which is why clubs like Madrid, Barca, United, Liverpool etc generate big commercial income… they have a massive global fan base

No one outside the Sheik and a few lads from Stockport are bothered about City.

[Adam.]

Posted this on here a while ago, but it was ignored by the 3 of you

https://x.com/adamjoseph/status/1622889676855197697

Edited by Adam. on Friday 19th January 12:33

[TEKNOPUG]

tamore said:

so in your mind, the club who have 5 pots on show have overinflated sponsorship deals. oooooooo kaaaaaayyy….

just because city don't have a load of clingon fans around the world as a legacy of once-upon-a-time dominance (all as a result of financial doping i might add), they aren't as marketable?

And all the commercial deals before they won a load of trophies?

The mental gymnastics that people must go through to explain how a country can buy a mid tier Prem club and then spend a billion quid on players, whilst sponsoring themselves and still comply with FFP, after already been found guilty by UEFA, escaping serious penalties only via statute of limitations....

Innocent until proven guilty

It was obvious from day one to any fan what they were doing.

[Ascayman]

TEKNOPUG said:

tamore said:

so in your mind, the club who have 5 pots on show have overinflated sponsorship deals. oooooooo kaaaaaayyy….

just because city don't have a load of clingon fans around the world as a legacy of once-upon-a-time dominance (all as a result of financial doping i might add), they aren't as marketable?

And all the commercial deals before they won a load of trophies?

The mental gymnastics that people must go through to explain how a country can buy a mid tier Prem club and then spend a billion quid on players, whilst sponsoring themselves and still comply with FFP, after already been found guilty by UEFA, escaping serious penalties only via statute of limitations....

Innocent until proven guilty

It was obvious from day one to any fan what they were doing.

This is also exactly what Newcastle are doing now at the same time playing victim that FFP won’t let them cheat like city they are doing exactly that.

They now have new record shirt sponsors, sleeve sponsors and airline partners. All from companies owned by PIF.

It’s cheating in plain sight and no one seems to be doing anything. In fact rather bizarrely it seems to be being encouraged.

It’s all part of the sports wash and should be highlighted exactly for what it is.

[bigpriest]

Ascayman said:

TEKNOPUG said:

tamore said:

so in your mind, the club who have 5 pots on show have overinflated sponsorship deals. oooooooo kaaaaaayyy….

just because city don't have a load of clingon fans around the world as a legacy of once-upon-a-time dominance (all as a result of financial doping i might add), they aren't as marketable?

And all the commercial deals before they won a load of trophies?

The mental gymnastics that people must go through to explain how a country can buy a mid tier Prem club and then spend a billion quid on players, whilst sponsoring themselves and still comply with FFP, after already been found guilty by UEFA, escaping serious penalties only via statute of limitations....

Innocent until proven guilty

It was obvious from day one to any fan what they were doing.

This is also exactly what Newcastle are doing now at the same time playing victim that FFP won’t let them cheat like city they are doing exactly that.

They now have new record shirt sponsors, sleeve sponsors and airline partners. All from companies owned by PIF.

It’s cheating in plain sight and no one seems to be doing anything. In fact rather bizarrely it seems to be being encouraged.

It’s all part of the sports wash and should be highlighted exactly for what it is.

Didn't 'sports-washing' used to be called investing in and improving a club?