The Official Manchester City (World Club Champions)Thread
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cliffe_mafia said:
Pretty good misrepresentation of the matter . The relevant documents were time barred from being included in the judgment by uefa which is why the uefa ruling was overruled .
Premier league does not have the limitations of the uefa investigation ,it can look at those documents uefa shouldn’t have looked at .
funny that it's all fans of the old sky darling clubs bleating. loved the cozy status quo and then it all gets disrupted and the toys come out of the prams.'cheating'….. do me a favour. railing against s
tty rules put in place which were tantamount to protectionism.
i'd rather be associated with a club with no debt, academy admired across the footballing world, investment in the women' team, invested heavily in a part of the host city that really, really needed it, influenced how the game in played at every level (only liverpool fans can share in this thanks to klopp), and who need to buy silver polish by the tanker, than clubs saddled with mad debt and treated as a cash cow while the infrastructure goes to st 
tty rules put in place which were tantamount to protectionism.i'd rather be associated with a club with no debt, academy admired across the footballing world, investment in the women' team, invested heavily in a part of the host city that really, really needed it, influenced how the game in played at every level (only liverpool fans can share in this thanks to klopp), and who need to buy silver polish by the tanker, than clubs saddled with mad debt and treated as a cash cow while the infrastructure goes to s
t tamore said:
funny that it's all fans of the old sky darling clubs bleating. loved the cozy status quo and then it all gets disrupted and the toys come out of the prams.'cheating'….. do me a favour. railing against stty rules put in place which were tantamount to protectionism.
The rules that every club voted for and agreed to abide by, including City - those "stty rules put in place which were tantamount to protectionism.tty"rules?cheat
/t?i?t/
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.
Buying into the narrative of the great disruptor of the nasty "big 6" for the common good, the saviours of football. You're owned by a Petro-Dollar State with an unenviable human rights record, not a fan-lead cooperative.
As I say, mental gymnastics...
Edited by TEKNOPUG on Friday 19th January 18:58
TEKNOPUG said:
tamore said:
funny that it's all fans of the old sky darling clubs bleating. loved the cozy status quo and then it all gets disrupted and the toys come out of the prams.'cheating'….. do me a favour. railing against stty rules put in place which were tantamount to protectionism.
The rules that every club voted for and agreed to abide by, including City - those "stty rules put in place which were tantamount to protectionism.tty"rules?cheat
/t?i?t/
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.
As I say, mental gymnastics…
tamore said:
oh do pipe down and get of your high horse. you know why FFP was originated and you know the horrible ogre it got morphed into to try and make sure the usual clubs won the main pot every year. so god knows why you're so antsy about it! (think you''re a spurs fan)
FFP is bks for sure, but Citeh's wilful attempts to ignore it doesn't help anyone but themselves. Basically all your success has come from ignoring the rules, however nonsensical they maybe, that every other club is trying to follow. It's like playing with 12 men because you don't agree with the rule about 11 players - even though you voted for those rules and agreed to abide by them.You may also have noticed that the "usual clubs" are winning the main pot every year - yourselves. So well done you, we should all be far more grateful that you've changed football for the better and got rid of the closed shop monopoly and now we have a far more competitive league with different winners every year.
Alternatively you are simply a vehicle for a Middle Eastern State to Sportswash their country, who couldn't give a toss about any rules or sporting integrity and could have bought any number of other clubs and similarly subverted the sport for their own gains.
TEKNOPUG said:
FFP is bks for sure, but Citeh's wilful attempts to ignore it doesn't help anyone but themselves. Basically all your success has come from ignoring the rules, however nonsensical they maybe, that every other club is trying to follow. It's like playing with 12 men because you don't agree with the rule about 11 players - even though you voted for those rules and agreed to abide by them.
You may also have noticed that the "usual clubs" are winning the main pot every year - yourselves. So well done you, we should all be far more grateful that you've changed football for the better and got rid of the closed shop monopoly and now we have a far more competitive league with different winners every year.
Alternatively you are simply a vehicle for a Middle Eastern State to Sportswash their country, who couldn't give a toss about any rules or sporting integrity and could have bought any number of other clubs and similarly subverted the sport for their own gains.
To your last point, they have. City will get away with this, which we all know they will, the fans will celebrate and then Newcastle will turn the taps on and it will only go one way then. ks for sure, but Citeh's wilful attempts to ignore it doesn't help anyone but themselves. Basically all your success has come from ignoring the rules, however nonsensical they maybe, that every other club is trying to follow. It's like playing with 12 men because you don't agree with the rule about 11 players - even though you voted for those rules and agreed to abide by them.You may also have noticed that the "usual clubs" are winning the main pot every year - yourselves. So well done you, we should all be far more grateful that you've changed football for the better and got rid of the closed shop monopoly and now we have a far more competitive league with different winners every year.
Alternatively you are simply a vehicle for a Middle Eastern State to Sportswash their country, who couldn't give a toss about any rules or sporting integrity and could have bought any number of other clubs and similarly subverted the sport for their own gains.
it's ridiculous that people think it's simply a matter of money. it's about putting in the foundations first, then building on that. city were just able to fast track the foundations.
the barca boys were brought in to start forming a strategy. guardiola wasn't available, so others were brought in to edge that strategy forwards, then they got their man. if you think this will happen with howe, give your head a shake.
so many aspects are completely overlooked, the main one being the academy. it's producing footballing robots who know exactly how to play the game to fit with the strategy. that takes years and is now producing results. this is only going to accelerate.
if it was just money, why are manyoo and chelsea so far adrift. also, it's not like the others at the top only have a book of green shield stands to spend on players.
the barca boys were brought in to start forming a strategy. guardiola wasn't available, so others were brought in to edge that strategy forwards, then they got their man. if you think this will happen with howe, give your head a shake.
so many aspects are completely overlooked, the main one being the academy. it's producing footballing robots who know exactly how to play the game to fit with the strategy. that takes years and is now producing results. this is only going to accelerate.
if it was just money, why are manyoo and chelsea so far adrift. also, it's not like the others at the top only have a book of green shield stands to spend on players.
Ah, my mistake, I forgot you signed Pep in 2008 and built from there. You didn’t have Hughes, or Pellegrini, or Mancini while you were building. Newcastle will get their men in place behind the scenes and they’ll go through a number of managers until they hit on the one they want. Guardiola won’t be around forever. The Saudis are richer than your lot. I don’t want to see it happen again, but Newcastle will just copy your approach, tweak a few learnings along the way and simply take over.
Wonder if your guy will get bored then?
Wonder if your guy will get bored then?
LF5335 said:
Ah, my mistake, I forgot you signed Pep in 2008 and built from there. You didn’t have Hughes, or Pellegrini, or Mancini while you were building. Newcastle will get their men in place behind the scenes and they’ll go through a number of managers until they hit on the one they want. Guardiola won’t be around forever. The Saudis are richer than your lot. I don’t want to see it happen again, but Newcastle will just copy your approach, tweak a few learnings along the way and simply take over.
Wonder if your guy will get bored then?
have you actually read what i typed?Wonder if your guy will get bored then?
tamore said:
the latter two won the league!
Are you really not getting this? Newcastle can put the non-football people in place, they can put the backroom footballing people in place, they can replace Howe any time they like. They will be able to do whatever they want with impunity and you will be their precedent to do it. Then they’ll go off and sign several billion pounds worth of players whilst blooding the odd homegrown player out of the hundreds and hundreds they sign up as kids into their academy. It doesn’t matter what you’ve done, they will do it too, only probably better. Meanwhile, you won’t have Pep, because he won’t be there in another 10 years.
LF5335 said:
tamore said:
the latter two won the league!
Are you really not getting this? Newcastle can put the non-football people in place, they can put the backroom footballing people in place, they can replace Howe any time they like. They will be able to do whatever they want with impunity and you will be their precedent to do it. Then they’ll go off and sign several billion pounds worth of players whilst blooding the odd homegrown player out of the hundreds and hundreds they sign up as kids into their academy. It doesn’t matter what you’ve done, they will do it too, only probably better. Meanwhile, you won’t have Pep, because he won’t be there in another 10 years.
all empires come to an end. i'm well aware city will not be at the top of the pile forever. the post pep transition is going to be very interesting, but as you aren't getting (annoying that, isn't it), without the foundations, throwing money at it is no guarantee of success.
newcastle are showing no signs of putting in the foundations of building a dominant force…… yet.
tamore said:
LF5335 said:
tamore said:
the latter two won the league!
Are you really not getting this? Newcastle can put the non-football people in place, they can put the backroom footballing people in place, they can replace Howe any time they like. They will be able to do whatever they want with impunity and you will be their precedent to do it. Then they’ll go off and sign several billion pounds worth of players whilst blooding the odd homegrown player out of the hundreds and hundreds they sign up as kids into their academy. It doesn’t matter what you’ve done, they will do it too, only probably better. Meanwhile, you won’t have Pep, because he won’t be there in another 10 years.
all empires come to an end. i'm well aware city will not be at the top of the pile forever. the post pep transition is going to be very interesting, but as you aren't getting (annoying that, isn't it), without the foundations, throwing money at it is no guarantee of success.
newcastle are showing no signs of putting in the foundations of building a dominant force…… yet.
Your success in getting away with it will be their route to overtaking you.
TEKNOPUG said:
Surely the fact that both Mancini and Pellegrino won the league proves that it's not about having the right directors or the academy or even Pep, it's just about buying loads and loads of really good players?
true. neither of them had ever won a trophy with any of their previous employers.TEKNOPUG said:
Surely the fact that both Mancini and Pellegrino won the league proves that it's not about having the right directors or the academy or even Pep, it's just about buying loads and loads of really good players?
But other teams buy ‘really good players’ and come nowhere near winning anything. Citeh won the title with Joe Hart in goal and Gael Clichy and Jolyon Lescott in defence. You obviously don’t need your Aussie guy to get the best out of your team, they can do it by themselves cos they’re ‘really good.’i'd rather be associated with a club with no debt, academy admired across the footballing world, investment in the women' team, invested heavily in a part of the host city that really, really needed it, influenced how the game in played at every level (only liverpool fans can share in this thanks to klopp), and who need to buy silver polish by the tanker, than clubs saddled with mad debt and treated as a cash cow while the infrastructure goes to s
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...but you cheated....and got/are going to away with it. You may have the trophies and danced on the pitch at teh send of the season. But you are the youtube boxers of the premier league....
mylesmcd said:
i'd rather be associated with a club with no debt, academy admired across the footballing world, investment in the women' team, invested heavily in a part of the host city that really, really needed it, influenced how the game in played at every level (only liverpool fans can share in this thanks to klopp), and who need to buy silver polish by the tanker, than clubs saddled with mad debt and treated as a cash cow while the infrastructure goes to st
...but you cheated....and got/are going to away with it. You may have the trophies and danced on the pitch at teh send of the season. But you are the youtube boxers of the premier league....t fact is, in the mind of some it's just a verdict of guilty. that's without really understanding the evidence and accusations.
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