The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 6]
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Mourinho is buying exactly the type of player he wants in the mould of Drogba, big, stroking and a proven goal scorer. Financial figures are irrelevant as the current TV deal means that every team is awash with money. The more the ABUs and WUMers post, the more we know it's the right move.
Lukaku scored 25 PL goals and isn't worth £75m
Kane scored 29 PL goals and is worth £150m according to the Spuds
Lukaku has scored 71 goals in 133 appearances (53%)for top level clubs
Kane has scored 99 goals in 165 appearances (60%) at the top level for Spurs.
Why is one worth twice as much as the other? Why is one feted as the most amazing player ever and the other dismissed out of hand?
Kane scored 29 PL goals and is worth £150m according to the Spuds
Lukaku has scored 71 goals in 133 appearances (53%)for top level clubs
Kane has scored 99 goals in 165 appearances (60%) at the top level for Spurs.
Why is one worth twice as much as the other? Why is one feted as the most amazing player ever and the other dismissed out of hand?
Gavia said:
Lukaku scored 25 PL goals and isn't worth £75m
Kane scored 29 PL goals and is worth £150m according to the Spuds
Lukaku has scored 71 goals in 133 appearances (53%)for top level clubs
Kane has scored 99 goals in 165 appearances (60%) at the top level for Spurs.
Why is one worth twice as much as the other? Why is one feted as the most amazing player ever and the other dismissed out of hand?
Because, Lukaku wants out of Everton and they'd take £75m for him. That's what Everton do. Buy players and if they can make a few quid then great.Kane scored 29 PL goals and is worth £150m according to the Spuds
Lukaku has scored 71 goals in 133 appearances (53%)for top level clubs
Kane has scored 99 goals in 165 appearances (60%) at the top level for Spurs.
Why is one worth twice as much as the other? Why is one feted as the most amazing player ever and the other dismissed out of hand?
Harry Kane plays for Tottenham who have a few quid and actually have ambitions. They might win the league in the future.
Everton won't win the league in my lifetime never mind break in to the top 4.
So Kane's pricetag isn't how much he is worth but how much it'd cost to prise him away from Spurs. Spurs wouldn't accept £75m in this climate but I think would accept £100m.
A bit like Liverpool and Keita. Liverpool could go out and buy sigurdsson for £30m and Swansea would be happy but they want Naby Keita who Leipzeig don't want to sell. If LFC put an offer on the table that is too good to be true, like £80m then they'd look at that and think it's a lot of money and it could be invested in 2 - 3 players.
Short story.
Everton have no ambition so would accept £75m to reinvest.
Spurs would slap a pricetag do high on Kane because £75m wouldnt be enough as theyd have to go out and gamble on a striker for not much less.
Where as £100-150m can buy 2 decent players who might replace his goals...
BlueFiestaST said:
Gavia said:
Lukaku scored 25 PL goals and isn't worth £75m
Kane scored 29 PL goals and is worth £150m according to the Spuds
Lukaku has scored 71 goals in 133 appearances (53%)for top level clubs
Kane has scored 99 goals in 165 appearances (60%) at the top level for Spurs.
Why is one worth twice as much as the other? Why is one feted as the most amazing player ever and the other dismissed out of hand?
Because, Lukaku wants out of Everton and they'd take £75m for him. That's what Everton do. Buy players and if they can make a few quid then great.Kane scored 29 PL goals and is worth £150m according to the Spuds
Lukaku has scored 71 goals in 133 appearances (53%)for top level clubs
Kane has scored 99 goals in 165 appearances (60%) at the top level for Spurs.
Why is one worth twice as much as the other? Why is one feted as the most amazing player ever and the other dismissed out of hand?
Harry Kane plays for Tottenham who have a few quid and actually have ambitions. They might win the league in the future.
Everton won't win the league in my lifetime never mind break in to the top 4.
So Kane's pricetag isn't how much he is worth but how much it'd cost to prise him away from Spurs. Spurs wouldn't accept £75m in this climate but I think would accept £100m.
A bit like Liverpool and Keita. Liverpool could go out and buy sigurdsson for £30m and Swansea would be happy but they want Naby Keita who Leipzeig don't want to sell. If LFC put an offer on the table that is too good to be true, like £80m then they'd look at that and think it's a lot of money and it could be invested in 2 - 3 players.
Short story.
Everton have no ambition so would accept £75m to reinvest.
Spurs would slap a pricetag do high on Kane because £75m wouldnt be enough as theyd have to go out and gamble on a striker for not much less.
Where as £100-150m can buy 2 decent players who might replace his goals...
For anyone who is buying, a player is benchmarked against what's available. You can't benchmark against someone who's not available. A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay. So until someone is sold, that price is never known. It's irrelevant what a club wants, until someone wants to buy at that price, which is then demonstrably the market value of that player (at least to the buyer).
ORD said:
I would put Lukaku below Kane in terms of likely impact at Utd. But not much. Neither is World Class. Both very good PL players.
Unlike Spuds and the other ABUs, we do have a genuinely World Class player on the books. And they all know it but pretend to think he is rubbish. Pogba!
On what Pogba has done for you vs what Kane has done for Spurs in the last season I reckon you have it arse about face there. Unlike Spuds and the other ABUs, we do have a genuinely World Class player on the books. And they all know it but pretend to think he is rubbish. Pogba!
selym said:
ORD said:
I would put Lukaku below Kane in terms of likely impact at Utd. But not much. Neither is World Class. Both very good PL players.
Unlike Spuds and the other ABUs, we do have a genuinely World Class player on the books. And they all know it but pretend to think he is rubbish. Pogba!
On what Pogba has done for you vs what Kane has done for Spurs in the last season I reckon you have it arse about face there. Unlike Spuds and the other ABUs, we do have a genuinely World Class player on the books. And they all know it but pretend to think he is rubbish. Pogba!
Question is if Pogba was available for transfer there may be a little interest from a few clubs whereas if Kane was for sale it would be a scramble.
k me we've reached a new low in here 
Gavia said:
Lukaku scored 25 PL goals and isn't worth £75m
Kane scored 29 PL goals and is worth £150m according to the Spuds
Lukaku has scored 71 goals in 133 appearances (53%)for top level clubs
Kane has scored 99 goals in 165 appearances (60%) at the top level for Spurs.
Why is one worth twice as much as the other? Why is one feted as the most amazing player ever and the other dismissed out of hand?
Because one of them has been the best goal scorer in the league for the last 2 years. The other is Lukaku.Kane scored 29 PL goals and is worth £150m according to the Spuds
Lukaku has scored 71 goals in 133 appearances (53%)for top level clubs
Kane has scored 99 goals in 165 appearances (60%) at the top level for Spurs.
Why is one worth twice as much as the other? Why is one feted as the most amazing player ever and the other dismissed out of hand?
As you've demonstrated, every metric supports the case that Kane is the better player, nevermind actually watching them play.
A player is only "worth" what someone will pay for them. Lukaku is worth £75m, as that's what Everton are prepared to sell him for. I expect Spurs would want considerably more for Kane.
I think that Lukaku will be a good fit for United, certainly better than a replacement for Costa at Chelsea.
TEKNOPUG said:
Because one of them has been the best goal scorer in the league for the last 2 years. The other is Lukaku.
As you've demonstrated, every metric supports the case that Kane is the better player, nevermind actually watching them play.
A player is only "worth" what someone will pay for them. Lukaku is worth £75m, as that's what Everton are prepared to sell him for. I expect Spurs would want considerably more for Kane.
I think that Lukaku will be a good fit for United, certainly better than a replacement for Costa at Chelsea.
I didn't say Kane isn't a better player. Personally, I think he is, but is he twice as good? I'm looking at the two price tags being mooted, that's all. As you've demonstrated, every metric supports the case that Kane is the better player, nevermind actually watching them play.
A player is only "worth" what someone will pay for them. Lukaku is worth £75m, as that's what Everton are prepared to sell him for. I expect Spurs would want considerably more for Kane.
I think that Lukaku will be a good fit for United, certainly better than a replacement for Costa at Chelsea.
In the current climate £75mill is probably about right for Rom.
Last seasons don't really count too much, its the consistency. Since he came to the league in 2012 only Aguero has scored more afaik.
He may well not score as many as last year, 20 would do as long as Rash and tony add 15-20 and am pretty sure Pogba will score many more goals this season too after hitting the post a freakishly regularly.
And at only 24 has a lot more to give... The fact that he and pogba are close friends will only help the situation. I would love Ibra to stay though even if it was just to teach Rom a few things. Highly unlikely though.
Last seasons don't really count too much, its the consistency. Since he came to the league in 2012 only Aguero has scored more afaik.
He may well not score as many as last year, 20 would do as long as Rash and tony add 15-20 and am pretty sure Pogba will score many more goals this season too after hitting the post a freakishly regularly.
And at only 24 has a lot more to give... The fact that he and pogba are close friends will only help the situation. I would love Ibra to stay though even if it was just to teach Rom a few things. Highly unlikely though.
Gavia said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Because one of them has been the best goal scorer in the league for the last 2 years. The other is Lukaku.
As you've demonstrated, every metric supports the case that Kane is the better player, nevermind actually watching them play.
A player is only "worth" what someone will pay for them. Lukaku is worth £75m, as that's what Everton are prepared to sell him for. I expect Spurs would want considerably more for Kane.
I think that Lukaku will be a good fit for United, certainly better than a replacement for Costa at Chelsea.
I didn't say Kane isn't a better player. Personally, I think he is, but is he twice as good? I'm looking at the two price tags being mooted, that's all. As you've demonstrated, every metric supports the case that Kane is the better player, nevermind actually watching them play.
A player is only "worth" what someone will pay for them. Lukaku is worth £75m, as that's what Everton are prepared to sell him for. I expect Spurs would want considerably more for Kane.
I think that Lukaku will be a good fit for United, certainly better than a replacement for Costa at Chelsea.
Lets say that Spurs would be prepared to sell Kane for £150m. If no club wants to pay that, then his value can't possibly be £150m. I guess you'd term him "priceless" if his worth to Spurs is more than anyone is prepared to pay? No different from putting your house on the market for £1m. It isn't worth £1m if you can't find a buyer. It's value is only what you can sell it for, not what you advertise/want for it.
I'd be sure that at some point United have enquired about Kane and have either been told he's not for sale at any price or have been quoted a price in excess of what they want to pay.
There are other factors beyond pitch performances that would indicate club's would pay more for Kane; Long term England international (Captain?), British - so more settled and less likely to look for a move abroad, committed professional, family, appears unlikely to go off the rails or bring negative publicity to club (don't know enough about Lukaku to comment).
If Lukaku gets 20+ for the next 3 or 4 seasons, what does it matter what United paid for him?
Of course Kane won't ever sell for £150m! FFS. Spurs would go absolutely mental with excitement and bite your hand off at £100m.
If you've never watched Pogba play, I can see why you would think Kane has more ability. But Pogba is stronger, fitter and vastly more technically capable - infinitely better feet and a much better passer. Not a bad start. He's probably also faster, but I'm not sure. He's certainly more likely to continue improving, whereas Kane may well already have had his best season.
Good strikers are usually grossly overrated. Kane is no exception. He's a very good PL striker. Probably about the same as Rooney in his prime (but not quite as good).
If you've never watched Pogba play, I can see why you would think Kane has more ability. But Pogba is stronger, fitter and vastly more technically capable - infinitely better feet and a much better passer. Not a bad start. He's probably also faster, but I'm not sure. He's certainly more likely to continue improving, whereas Kane may well already have had his best season.
Good strikers are usually grossly overrated. Kane is no exception. He's a very good PL striker. Probably about the same as Rooney in his prime (but not quite as good).
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