The Official Everton thread - Vol 2
Discussion
franki68 said:
Still ongoing ,Chelsea are in a different boat though as they admitted the breaches ,city and Everton were not compliant with investigations .The punishment for Everton was harsh as they ttried to conceal evidence .
Is this the same Everton that were presenting the books to the PL at the start of each season and had to sell players before signing platers was approved?We've been run like a s
t show for several years now, but we've been open on our finances for the last few seasons nowBerger 3rd said:
Are we certain Chelsea have actually done anything wrong? They put a lot of players on 8 year deals (which there was nothing wrong with at the time) which spreads the players value over an 8 year period on a decreasing basis. They also have a huge youth system and sold of a fair few youth team players who will show as zero cost on the balance sheet with any transfer fee being pure profit.
Not a Chelsea fan by any stretch, but as a neutral observer I’d say they have operated very differently to Everton, who have simply wasted lots of money. Chelsea have also wasted lots of money, but their youth players gave them a lot more headroom under FFP and the 8 year contracts clearly show they’re going about things with FFP in mind.
City are pure crooks pure and simple.
You seem to be confusing wasting money with FFP breachesNot a Chelsea fan by any stretch, but as a neutral observer I’d say they have operated very differently to Everton, who have simply wasted lots of money. Chelsea have also wasted lots of money, but their youth players gave them a lot more headroom under FFP and the 8 year contracts clearly show they’re going about things with FFP in mind.
City are pure crooks pure and simple.
Chelsea players buy and sells are not the subject of investigation (and FFP has closed the long contract loop already). Abramovich allegedly poured money into Chelsea by paying agents and players from other companies and not trhough CFC in order to circumvent FFP. Chlesea have been found guilty of this already by UEFA who fined them a laughable £9M. Thats because they can only look back 4 or 5 years. FA can look back further (when the worst breaches took place) hence the current action.
City are bent using laughably over-inflated sponsorship deals from Abu Dhabi, the internal emails between City directors confirm they are bent, again they used UEFA statue of limitations and delaying tactics to avoid punishment, FA can crack on.
No idea what Everton did wrong
Edited by Adam. on Friday 17th November 14:14
Adam. said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Shows how bent it all is. City and Chelsea should be 100 points down.
10 points each for the last 10 Seasons, and re-award the EPL title accordinglythat would do it
monty999 said:
You've certainly picked the best season to get a points deduction, you'll stay up easily as there are 3 really st sides in the league this season who will all, almost certainly, be going back down to the championship. The only other team I think could be close would be Bournemouth.
It's practically no punishment at all. At most they'll lose £5-6m in prize money places at the end of the season. If you are a mid table team, 10 points deduction is meaningless. It only affects clubs if it leads to them being relegated or missing out on European places.t sides in the league this season who will all, almost certainly, be going back down to the championship. The only other team I think could be close would be Bournemouth.Adam. said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Shows how bent it all is. City and Chelsea should be 100 points down.
10 points each for the last 10 Seasons, and re-award the EPL title accordinglythat would do it
In theory if 1 breach is 10 points though ... 1150 points, across 10 seasons brings you back to -115 points a season.
Even with a perfect record in lower leagues they're only scoring 23 points. Feels like a few relegations in order to me.
TEKNOPUG said:
It's practically no punishment at all. At most they'll lose £5-6m in prize money places at the end of the season. If you are a mid table team, 10 points deduction is meaningless. It only affects clubs if it leads to them being relegated or missing out on European places.
If we miss out on winning the league by 9 points this year I'm going to be fking annoyed!Fast Bug said:
Is this the same Everton that were presenting the books to the PL at the start of each season and had to sell players before signing platers was approved?
We've been run like a st show for several years now, but we've been open on our finances for the last few seasons now
I think the issue was those books were fiddled allegedly , according to the ‘expert ‘on talk sport ?We've been run like a s
t show for several years now, but we've been open on our finances for the last few seasons nowTikTak said:
I mean I'd take it because I don't think they'll punish them that harshly unfortunately.
In theory if 1 breach is 10 points though ... 1150 points, across 10 seasons brings you back to -115 points a season.
Even with a perfect record in lower leagues they're only scoring 23 points. Feels like a few relegations in order to me.
Apparently the rules are "6 points for every breach, plus 1 point for every £5m" which were agreed (?) by the PL clubs on the 9th or 10th of August 2023, along with an agreement to fast track any appeals to the season they were issued. (I've been asking for this info for ages). Bit odd that we can be punished by rules which postdate our crime?In theory if 1 breach is 10 points though ... 1150 points, across 10 seasons brings you back to -115 points a season.
Even with a perfect record in lower leagues they're only scoring 23 points. Feels like a few relegations in order to me.
Making our overspend 20m. Veritable chicken feed in the grand scheme of things. That's one years megafon stadium naming rights money which we lost when it went crazy in Ukraine
That might makes things better, or alternatively worse, for City and Chelsea? (Chelsea's issue is different to ours, so I'd say it's just coincidence that the two clubs with Russian involvement are being - potentially - stamped on. Russian money is dead, long live the Saudis
)It’s astonishing that the clubs who attempted to break away from the PL and form a new super league each received a fine of £3m, it highlights how bent the game really is. I’m not defending Everton, we’ve been poorly run and the whole FFP debacle is mired in mystery. I reckon it will be reduced to 6 points on appeal.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Wacky Racer said:
Manchester City have done absolutely nothing wrong, we are 100% squeaky clean as will be proved when all these fake charges are thrown out. Why can't people accept we have the best manager, best players, best fans and best pies in the world.
You forgot best lawyers. 
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