The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]

[RedTrident]

I'm a Lucas fan but his legs are gone and he isn't going to play regularly enough. We should have kept Allen, especially if we didn't have a central midfielder lined up.

Whether we play 433 or 4231 we need to have at least 2 midfielders that can screen the back 4 and as a bonus play box to box. We all know the type of midfielders we mean by this. We only have Can that can do this. Henderson and Milner are not dynamic enough for this nor is it the natural game of Wijnaldum.

Selling a central midfielder that finally found form for us and not replacing him was a poor decision. Thinking we can get away with a central midfield of Henderson, Can, Wijnaldum, Milner and some kids is asking for trouble.

[Turquoise]

I was surprised and disappointed that Henderson was made captain. My opinion hasn't changed. I'm amazed Can is being benched so the captain can get a game.

[joshcowin]

Turquoise said:

I was surprised and disappointed that Henderson was made captain. My opinion hasn't changed. I'm amazed Can is being benched so the captain can get a game.

'I'm amazed Can is being benched so the captain can get a game.' - Klopp tell you that was the reason??

The negativity is depressing, support the team and manager, we have played 2 PL games!!

YNWA

[phil_cardiff]

At least I could understand Rodgers' decisions most of the time, if not always agreeing with them.

But I can't get my head around the DM and LB issues. Klopp has an exceptional record and reputation so I hope he has something up his sleeve.

[TEKNOPUG]

RKi said:

There you go everyone, play 4-4-2, stick 9 behind the ball and counter attack 3-5 times a game. That's how easy we are to beat.

That's how Leicester won the league

[Turquoise]

joshcowin said:

Turquoise said:

I was surprised and disappointed that Henderson was made captain. My opinion hasn't changed. I'm amazed Can is being benched so the captain can get a game.

'I'm amazed Can is being benched so the captain can get a game.' - Klopp tell you that was the reason??

The negativity is depressing, support the team and manager, we have played 2 PL games!!

YNWA

Can has done nothing to deserve being dropped.
Can is a better player than Henderson.
Henderson is not an inspirational captain.

I think most LFC fans would go along with those statements. My support for LFC never waivers but that doesn't mean I'm blind to our obvious deficiencies.

[DuncanM]

I think everyone agrees that Can is our most Captain like player? I don't care how young he is, right man for the job IMO.

[jammy_basturd]

TEKNOPUG said:

RKi said:

There you go everyone, play 4-4-2, stick 9 behind the ball and counter attack 3-5 times a game. That's how easy we are to beat.

That's how Leicester won the league

Sort of. A big reason why they won it was by being better at deploying their system than everyone else. They had a great goalkeeper, a very good CB pairing, the league's best DM, one of the league's best wingers/attackers and a striker who was in the form of his life. They also had little else other than the league to distract them.

[type-r]

Turquoise said:

Can has done nothing to deserve being dropped.
Can is a better player than Henderson.

I disgaree with your first statement. He was out of sorts during the pre-season friendlies and certainly not playing well.
However I completely agree with your second statement.

[joshcowin]

Turquoise said:

joshcowin said:

Turquoise said:

I was surprised and disappointed that Henderson was made captain. My opinion hasn't changed. I'm amazed Can is being benched so the captain can get a game.

'I'm amazed Can is being benched so the captain can get a game.' - Klopp tell you that was the reason??

The negativity is depressing, support the team and manager, we have played 2 PL games!!

YNWA

Can has done nothing to deserve being dropped.
Can is a better player than Henderson.
Henderson is not an inspirational captain.

I think most LFC fans would go along with those statements. My support for LFC never waivers but that doesn't mean I'm blind to our obvious deficiencies.

How do you know Can has done nothing to be dropped, he could have looked off the ball in training, he could be distracted by personal issues, he could still be recovering from the euros, he could have had any number of reasons to be dropped that we would not have heard about but that Jurgen Klopp may have been privy to!

I trust that Klopp knows far more about football then I do, I trust he knows far more about each player than I do, I trust he knows more about the opposition as well! I would imagine he has the intelligence and professionalism to play the team he believes best for each game depending on various factors. Including how each player has performed/responded in the week of training he has spent with them!

Why even attempt to second guess or criticise why he made a decision.

The reason for this forum is to voice our opinions and share in the joys/hard times of supporting our preferred club, but it has become so negative with people looking at the tiniest little reasons to have a moan. Cheer up look at the positives, they are there!!

[Flip Martian]

Turquoise said:

Can has done nothing to deserve being dropped.
Can is a better player than Henderson.
Henderson is not an inspirational captain.

I think most LFC fans would go along with those statements. My support for LFC never waivers but that doesn't mean I'm blind to our obvious deficiencies.

CAN WASN'T DROPPED!!! Klopp says he had a minor back injury, which is why he was only on the bench. If you're going to moan, at least base it on facts and not assumptions.

[Flip Martian]

type-r said:

I disgaree with your first statement. He was out of sorts during the pre-season friendlies and certainly not playing well.
However I completely agree with your second statement.

Can was late back from his 3 week mandatory break after the Euros so not as sharp in pre season as the other players who came back earlier.

[Black can man]

So Why did Klopp drop Can ? he looks ok .

[pinchmeimdreamin]

Black can man said:

So Why did Klopp drop Can ? he looks ok .

He got a bit heavy.

[Flip Martian]

Black can man said:

So Why did Klopp drop Can ? he looks ok .

Do you never get bored of trying?!

[Turquoise]

Flip Martian said:

CAN WASN'T DROPPED!!! Klopp says he had a minor back injury, which is why he was only on the bench. If you're going to moan, at least base it on facts and not assumptions.

I didn't see that reported. And by the contributions of the others posters, neither did they, so single me out by all means but I'm not alone in this being new news.

[NRS]

joshcowin said:

I trust that Klopp knows far more about football then I do, I trust he knows far more about each player than I do, I trust he knows more about the opposition as well! I would imagine he has the intelligence and professionalism to play the team he believes best for each game depending on various factors. Including how each player has performed/responded in the week of training he has spent with them!

Why even attempt to second guess or criticise why he made a decision.

The reason for this forum is to voice our opinions and share in the joys/hard times of supporting our preferred club, but it has become so negative with people looking at the tiniest little reasons to have a moan. Cheer up look at the positives, they are there!!

Why ever replace a manager then? They will always see more than us, so obviously they always know best? Klopp is basically repeating the same issues as Rodgers - attack at all costs when we have big issues defending, and try and play players in positions they don't want to/ are not natural to them, rather than buy a dedicated person who has always played there.

joshcowin said:

'I'm amazed Can is being benched so the captain can get a game.' - Klopp tell you that was the reason??

The negativity is depressing, support the team and manager, we have played 2 PL games!!

YNWA

You'll find all the negative people are supporting the team. It's just we don't understand how we will be better than previous seasons when we have not bought anyone to fix the main two issues (that a lot of fans agree on).

If we should not be negative what do you see as the big improvements from last season that will move us finishing from 5-8th to finishing higher in the league?

I can see Mane as a big improvement. He might get us 4-5 extra goals during the season? Perhaps 1-2 wins extra then? In terms of those injured; maybe the new goalkeeper will help get a few extra points compared to Mignolets mistakes, perhaps the same with a taller defender to help clear high balls.

However I see us losing a lot of "silly" points because of:

• The gap between the (only) attacking midfield and the defense since there is only Can to play as a defensive midfielder
• The defense having to cover for Moreno and so leave more gaps in the other defensive positions/ play someone out of positon as a replacement for Moreno. Klopp obviously thinks Moreno is not good enough to play if he is putting a midfielder there, so why not get a real dedicated person instead? It's like trying to retrain Gerrard all over again.

So yes, I support the club and manager, but I cannot see a way we can improve on our normal positon of 5-8th with the current players we have now. Which could be regarded as fair enough, but it's just frustrating when I think we could gain a lot of points compared to last season by getting two replacements in who actually fit in those positions properly.

[Turquoise]

Good post.

[Flip Martian]

Turquoise said:

I didn't see that reported. And by the contributions of the others posters, neither did they, so single me out by all means but I'm not alone in this being new news.

You did say Can was "dropped so Henderson could get a game".

[Flip Martian]

Photos from the inside of the new stand. Some strange choices for players to honour on the walls (Ryan Babel, anyone?!).

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/08/photos-inside...