The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
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mylesmcd said:
Carl_Manchester said:
I blame Ian Wright calling for '4th place at end of season or the manager gets sacked'.
This is the type of thinking that causes this type of nonsense and the similar type of thinking calling for Klopp's head a couple of seasons ago when Liverpool were conceding 2 goals per game.
there is no evidence to suggest that our gaffer won't have a £150m a year season budget for the next 3 seasons plus our youth academy is looking pretty productive.
the future is bright - it is red and white.
I am going to disagree with you Carl. Obviously in a polite, respectful, Arsenal kind of way. Whilst I dont think that Emery is doing a bad job at all, I feel he wont be back at all in the transfer market over the next few years. I feel the Kronoeke ownership will drive the club mid table in the next few seasons. (correct me if I am wrong please, but now the club is 100% owned we dont get end of year statements. so I can only presume the coffers have now been emptied to pay for the RAMS stadium and we have financed the remainder with our TO)This is the type of thinking that causes this type of nonsense and the similar type of thinking calling for Klopp's head a couple of seasons ago when Liverpool were conceding 2 goals per game.
there is no evidence to suggest that our gaffer won't have a £150m a year season budget for the next 3 seasons plus our youth academy is looking pretty productive.
the future is bright - it is red and white.
This year we will finish 6th, or thereabouts. Summer transfer will come and go with the only real movement being the movement of Ramsey and or Ozil (who wont be offered wages like he has currently by the only club that want him - PSG - as of th FFP rule breach they face) - with some jiggery pokery around the fringe players. Liverpool, City, Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea will all finish above us.
Next year we will see the rise of some younger players from the youth set up - and these will be our transfer so to speak - we will finish below 6th - as they quality of the squad has not improved, overall.
Now I hope I am wrong, as much as the next guy, but I think us aiming for 4th place, like it is winning the league shows the ambition of the club. Could you really have seen us stepping up with 60m for Pulisic in order to improve the quality of the squad?
The Sanchez/Miki deal (before it is mentioned!) was a swap deal as Sanchez was going to leave unless he was given 400k a week (with we could not/would not afford) so in order to facilitate the wages Utd had to off load. Lacazette and Auba were the left over wage packets. Nothing more.
I really hope I am wrong on this, really I do, but I do not share the optimism!
Why is it that of the top clubs, we are the one that seems to have been saddled with a tight owner and s
t transfer decisions?Carl_Manchester said:
there is no evidence to suggest that our gaffer won't have a £150m a year season budget for the next 3 seasons
There's plenty of evidence........you're just refusing to look at it.Kronke is on public record stating he's not interested in winning trophies......it's a business to him, nothing more.
That's not to say Emery won't be able to buy, but you're living in fantasyland if you think there's going to be a 150m per season budget over the next 3 seasons
aeropilot said:
Carl_Manchester said:
there is no evidence to suggest that our gaffer won't have a £150m a year season budget for the next 3 seasons
There's plenty of evidence........you're just refusing to look at it.Kronke is on public record stating he's not interested in winning trophies......it's a business to him, nothing more.
That's not to say Emery won't be able to buy, but you're living in fantasyland if you think there's going to be a 150m per season budget over the next 3 seasons
Where does this idea that you don't spend on players come from?!
LoonyTunes said:
So where is all this money you were supposed to have to spend on players and compete with Europe's elite once the stadium is finished?
I was expecting at least one or two very high profile mega signings by now.
The game is not the same as the late great Alan McGilvray said about an infinitely superior sport.I was expecting at least one or two very high profile mega signings by now.
TV revenue wasn't what it was when the move was instigated. Now ground revenue is pretty meaningless to top 10 Pl clubs. Thus the spurs new stadium will be nothing but a millstone, and not a 'game changer' as the spurs driven media and fans will bleat, assuming the the TV bubble keeps up as it is. It may be useful for them when there languishing in the rump of the English top league once the big English clubs have gravitated to the inevitable European super league, but at this point in time that's moot.
Its why the urgency for Liverpool and Chelsea to move/expand has evaporated.
We would have been far better off staying at Hignbury, and i imagine in hindsight a number of those who drove the move regret it now. However who was to tell the media rights would grow to such ridiculous levels.
edit postscript. the big money 'stadium' signings were Ozil and sanchez, that was it. transfer fees have got silly since then. the stadium move was of its time. it was needed then and the correct thing to do then, if all stories are to be believed that nothing at all could be done with Highbury to increase it due to preservation orders. just in hindsight it was a mistake.
Edited by theplayingmantis on Thursday 3rd January 15:30
jammy-git said:
You have a higher net spend on transfers than us (LFC) over the past 5 years. Ozil is on £350k a week. Auba is on £200k a week.
Where does this idea that you don't spend on players come from?!
But the numbers you guys have been dealing with are a fair bit larger, you've spent £200m more than us over the past 5 years and you've done very well in selling. Where does this idea that you don't spend on players come from?!
I think Arsenal are good at 'frittering' away money on players that never really add that much to a team and aren't headline signings. We end up doing a lot of bad business. LFC have done excellent business in the past few years.
We don't really have the players to sell, so out net spend will have to go up a lot to match the business that other clubs have been doing I think. Our matchday revenue tends to be pretty high too thanks to high ticket prices, I think a lot of fans want to see that money being used for players rather than being used to line execs pockets.
leglessAlex said:
But the numbers you guys have been dealing with are a fair bit larger, you've spent £200m more than us over the past 5 years and you've done very well in selling.
I think Arsenal are good at 'frittering' away money on players that never really add that much to a team and aren't headline signings. We end up doing a lot of bad business. LFC have done excellent business in the past few years.
We don't really have the players to sell, so out net spend will have to go up a lot to match the business that other clubs have been doing I think. Our matchday revenue tends to be pretty high too thanks to high ticket prices, I think a lot of fans want to see that money being used for players rather than being used to line execs pockets.
this is true, and for arsenal read wenger (and those who allowed him to) the fabled 'socialist wage structures, lord bentdner on 52k a week. elneny earning more than torriea, ozil on 350k, when the one to spunk money on would have been sanchez,, mustafi and kola on 100k+, rewarding of injured players out of sentiment for years, diaby, rosicky, cazorla etc it all adds up when you pay dross wages other clubs wouldnt dream of.I think Arsenal are good at 'frittering' away money on players that never really add that much to a team and aren't headline signings. We end up doing a lot of bad business. LFC have done excellent business in the past few years.
We don't really have the players to sell, so out net spend will have to go up a lot to match the business that other clubs have been doing I think. Our matchday revenue tends to be pretty high too thanks to high ticket prices, I think a lot of fans want to see that money being used for players rather than being used to line execs pockets.
can’t type much as down the gym but peeps need to be checking their maths on where all our money is going
£200m per year wage bill - can’t check it but it has to be the worlds largest (quick check says it’s not - it’s 10th behind liverpool)
£90-150m per year in transfer fees, signing on fees and agent costs, not net granted but how much did we spend when laca and yang came in? £135m??
The money spent in past two seasons has been huge but the strategy has been more like a drunk dude from singapore throwing down 30 chips all over the roulette board in a las vegas casino on his first night and hoping the free drinks keep coming and the wins roll in.
the good news is that the new management team are determined to get the wage bill under control and actually marrying up talent and performance with what players are paid.
that is why i am confident that gooners will see another £100-150m budget handed to the manager in the summer.
£200m per year wage bill - can’t check it but it has to be the worlds largest (quick check says it’s not - it’s 10th behind liverpool)
£90-150m per year in transfer fees, signing on fees and agent costs, not net granted but how much did we spend when laca and yang came in? £135m??
The money spent in past two seasons has been huge but the strategy has been more like a drunk dude from singapore throwing down 30 chips all over the roulette board in a las vegas casino on his first night and hoping the free drinks keep coming and the wins roll in.
the good news is that the new management team are determined to get the wage bill under control and actually marrying up talent and performance with what players are paid.
that is why i am confident that gooners will see another £100-150m budget handed to the manager in the summer.
Edited by Carl_Manchester on Thursday 3rd January 15:59
Edited by Carl_Manchester on Thursday 3rd January 16:00
Carl_Manchester said:
The good news is that the new management team are determined to get the wage bill under control and actually marrying up talent and performance with what players are paid.
That is why i am confident that gooners will see another £100-150m budget handed to the manager in the summer.
You have no idea how much I hope that is true. That is why i am confident that gooners will see another £100-150m budget handed to the manager in the summer.
Carl_Manchester said:
£200m per year wage bill - can’t check it but it has to be the worlds largest
We only just scrape in to the top 10.As of Nov 2018,
1)Barcellona - €487m
2)Real Madrid - €393m
3)Man Utd - €335m
4)Man City - €297m
5)PSG - €272m
6)Bayern Munich - €265m
7)Juventus - €259m
8)Chelsea - €256m
9)Liverpool - €241m
10)Arsenal - €232m
aeropilot said:
Carl_Manchester said:
£200m per year wage bill - can’t check it but it has to be the worlds largest
We only just scrape in to the top 10.As of Nov 2018,
1)Barcellona - €487m
2)Real Madrid - €393m
3)Man Utd - €335m
4)Man City - €297m
5)PSG - €272m
6)Bayern Munich - €265m
7)Juventus - €259m
8)Chelsea - €256m
9)Liverpool - €241m
10)Arsenal - €232m
Carl_Manchester said:
The good news is that the new management team are determined to get the wage bill under control and actually marrying up talent and performance with what players are paid.
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This would be good to see, but contracts can't be changed that easily I thought. Surely it'll be 3-5 years before we manage to get the structure right, and that's along with having to battle incoming players pay expectations (he's on this, why am I not on that etc etc). ]
Black can man said:
aeropilot said:
Carl_Manchester said:
£200m per year wage bill - can’t check it but it has to be the worlds largest
We only just scrape in to the top 10.As of Nov 2018,
1)Barcellona - €487m
2)Real Madrid - €393m
3)Man Utd - €335m
4)Man City - €297m
5)PSG - €272m
6)Bayern Munich - €265m
7)Juventus - €259m
8)Chelsea - €256m
9)Liverpool - €241m
10)Arsenal - €232m
11)Borussia Dortmund - €187m
12)Atletico Madrid - €178m
13)Inter Milan - €156m
14)Tottenham Hotspur - €148m
15)Leicester City - €131m
Edited by aeropilot on Thursday 3rd January 16:16
aeropilot said:
Black can man said:
aeropilot said:
Carl_Manchester said:
£200m per year wage bill - can’t check it but it has to be the worlds largest
We only just scrape in to the top 10.As of Nov 2018,
1)Barcellona - €487m
2)Real Madrid - €393m
3)Man Utd - €335m
4)Man City - €297m
5)PSG - €272m
6)Bayern Munich - €265m
7)Juventus - €259m
8)Chelsea - €256m
9)Liverpool - €241m
10)Arsenal - €232m
11)Borussia Dortmund - €187m
12)Atletico Madrid - €178m
13)Inter Milan - €156m
14)Tottenham Hotspur - €148m
15)Leicester City - €131m
Edited by aeropilot on Thursday 3rd January 16:16
No wonder we struggle to attract the top,top players.
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