The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
Black can man said:
aeropilot said:
Black can man said:
aeropilot said:
Carl_Manchester said:
£200m per year wage bill - can’t check it but it has to be the worlds largest
We only just scrape in to the top 10.As of Nov 2018,
1)Barcellona - €487m
2)Real Madrid - €393m
3)Man Utd - €335m
4)Man City - €297m
5)PSG - €272m
6)Bayern Munich - €265m
7)Juventus - €259m
8)Chelsea - €256m
9)Liverpool - €241m
10)Arsenal - €232m
11)Borussia Dortmund - €187m
12)Atletico Madrid - €178m
13)Inter Milan - €156m
14)Tottenham Hotspur - €148m
15)Leicester City - €131m
Edited by aeropilot on Thursday 3rd January 16:16
No wonder we struggle to attract the top,top players.
Still - Arsenal are screwed. Slowly too.
NordicCrankShaft said:
Incredibly interesting. Spurs and us are the only ones of the 'top six' that have had no real significant owner input. Of those two clubs, Spurs have been getting steadily stronger and so I reckon the argument can be made that they haven't really 'needed' it. Us, on the other hand? We've been stagnant or going backwards, and yet no money has been forthcoming to put this right. Sure, United haven't had a huge cash injection from their owners relative to their operations income, but their income is so large that it more than makes up for that.
In fact, that whole thread just makes for depressing reading.
Because that income clearly isn't being spent on players.
True, we don't just need more money, we also need to buy much much smarter. But more money is needed if we want to keep up with the other top clubs.
As I said, Spurs also don't spend much with a reasonable income, but they have a squad that seems pretty solid and a manager that is making the most of those players. Right now, there isn't much reason to spend.
Us over the last ten years on the other hand? We've always been needed damn near half a squad worth of players it seems.
True, we don't just need more money, we also need to buy much much smarter. But more money is needed if we want to keep up with the other top clubs.
As I said, Spurs also don't spend much with a reasonable income, but they have a squad that seems pretty solid and a manager that is making the most of those players. Right now, there isn't much reason to spend.
Us over the last ten years on the other hand? We've always been needed damn near half a squad worth of players it seems.
mylesmcd said:
jammy-git said:
You have the fourth largest income in the league - why do you need cash from your owners?
So we can move from finishing 4th, to first, obviously...Realistically I think 5th/6th is about the 'right' position for us until we both get some (consistent) creativity and a lot more solid defence.
aeropilot said:
Carl_Manchester said:
that is why i am confident that gooners will see another £100-150m budget handed to the manager in the summer.
I think th mid table slide is on and we are helpless. The only thing that might change is Stan wanting to kill more animals on a daily basis and handing the club to his son - which may or may not be a good thing.
leglessAlex said:
Incredibly interesting. Spurs and us are the only ones of the 'top six' that have had no real significant owner input. Of those two clubs, Spurs have been getting steadily stronger and so I reckon the argument can be made that they haven't really 'needed' it. Us, on the other hand? We've been stagnant or going backwards, and yet no money has been forthcoming to put this right.
Sure, United haven't had a huge cash injection from their owners relative to their operations income, but their income is so large that it more than makes up for that.
In fact, that whole thread just makes for depressing reading.
dont take everything swissramble says as accurate. yes he knows some stuff, but also very inaccurate at times, as he is on the spurs owner input. its an open secret in certain circles that joe lewis makes 'significant' bonus payments that are not accounted for in wage spend levels/lists to keep the 'homegrown' players happy.Sure, United haven't had a huge cash injection from their owners relative to their operations income, but their income is so large that it more than makes up for that.
In fact, that whole thread just makes for depressing reading.
people are surely not naive enough to think, kane, alli, (both homegrown...) and the foreign contingent keep signing new deals over the last few years whilst still earning a basic salary they could at the very least double at lots of other clubs, out of loyalty, love for the club, belief in the project...
shame our owner doesnt input anything.
theplayingmantis said:
dont take everything swissramble says as accurate. yes he knows some stuff, but also very inaccurate at times, as he is on the spurs owner input. its an open secret in certain circles that joe lewis makes 'significant' bonus payments that are not accounted for in wage spend levels/lists to keep the 'homegrown' players happy.
people are surely not naive enough to think, kane, alli, (both homegrown...) and the foreign contingent keep signing new deals over the last few years whilst still earning a basic salary they could at the very least double at lots of other clubs, out of loyalty, love for the club, belief in the project...
shame our owner doesnt input anything.
WALOB Joe Lewis doesn't put a penny into the club. people are surely not naive enough to think, kane, alli, (both homegrown...) and the foreign contingent keep signing new deals over the last few years whilst still earning a basic salary they could at the very least double at lots of other clubs, out of loyalty, love for the club, belief in the project...
shame our owner doesnt input anything.
The spurs bitterness in pretty much every single one your posts is breathtaking
Honestly let it go...
Ascayman said:
theplayingmantis said:
dont take everything swissramble says as accurate. yes he knows some stuff, but also very inaccurate at times, as he is on the spurs owner input. its an open secret in certain circles that joe lewis makes 'significant' bonus payments that are not accounted for in wage spend levels/lists to keep the 'homegrown' players happy.
people are surely not naive enough to think, kane, alli, (both homegrown...) and the foreign contingent keep signing new deals over the last few years whilst still earning a basic salary they could at the very least double at lots of other clubs, out of loyalty, love for the club, belief in the project...
shame our owner doesnt input anything.
WALOB Joe Lewis doesn't put a penny into the club. people are surely not naive enough to think, kane, alli, (both homegrown...) and the foreign contingent keep signing new deals over the last few years whilst still earning a basic salary they could at the very least double at lots of other clubs, out of loyalty, love for the club, belief in the project...
shame our owner doesnt input anything.
The spurs bitterness in pretty much every single one your posts is breathtaking
Honestly let it go...
LoonyTunes said:
This "open secret in certain circles"...what circles are these and how are you privy to them?
now it would be remiss of me to say wouldnt it. these are not circles i mix in though. 2nd hand info, but good enough for me. if things look like a duck, sound like a duck etc etc.although im sure mr ornstein or the odious john cross etc, if you catch them with their guard down would also tell you some interesting stuff about the 'alleged' model of ENIC, Levy, tax havens and Britains richest man....
mylesmcd said:
I think th mid table slide is on and we are helpless. The only thing that might change is Stan wanting to kill more animals on a daily basis and handing the club to his son - which may or may not be a good thing.
I thought I saw some reports pre-season, that Kronke senior was indeed delegating greater control to Kronke junior?As you say, whether thats a good think or not only time will tell.
aeropilot said:
mylesmcd said:
I think th mid table slide is on and we are helpless. The only thing that might change is Stan wanting to kill more animals on a daily basis and handing the club to his son - which may or may not be a good thing.
I thought I saw some reports pre-season, that Kronke senior was indeed delegating greater control to Kronke junior?As you say, whether thats a good think or not only time will tell.
if we slide too far it will damage the brand and investment valuehowever, so they will invest enough to keep us at top 6 levels at least. Unless they have a change of heart about wanting to actually win stuff, now stan has achieved his ultimate goal with the rams move, and the stadium, although im not au fait with the stadium funding since the chargers took up their option to share, although i think its costing a record amount which isnt good news for us, and who knows how his MLB plans go
theplayingmantis said:
people are surely not naive enough to think, kane, alli, (both homegrown...) and the foreign contingent keep signing new deals over the last few years whilst still earning a basic salary they could at the very least double at lots of other clubs, out of loyalty, love for the club, belief in the project...
Yep, I guess I'm super naive then! Kane is on £200k a week apparently, so no, I don't believe he is there just out of loyalty. Son is on a lot too. But plenty of their other players, yeah, I do believe that they are in it to build something with Spurs. They're on the up, they have a new stadium coming and they know that they'll be Spurs heros if they manage to deliver a trophy to the club. Along with Poch being there, I can easily imagine that this all contributes to a really good feeling within the club, and that they're happy enough with what they're getting now.
Sure, there may well be a time (possibly soon) that this isn't true any more, but for now I reckon 'belief in the project' is a major factor in many of them staying.
Anyway, it's not like any of that takes away the point I was making. Right now, our neighbours don't seem to need much input from their owners, and so they aren't really in the same place as us, regardless of what spending graphs say. We need more money spent on players and probably more money full stop, but we aint gonna get it.
theplayingmantis said:
LoonyTunes said:
This "open secret in certain circles"...what circles are these and how are you privy to them?
now it would be remiss of me to say wouldnt it. these are not circles i mix in though. 2nd hand info, but good enough for me. if things look like a duck, sound like a duck etc etc.although im sure mr ornstein or the odious john cross etc, if you catch them with their guard down would also tell you some interesting stuff about the 'alleged' model of ENIC, Levy, tax havens and Britains richest man....
If you’re Harry Kane, Christian Ericsson, Della Ali and Spurs came to you and said “we want to pay you 40% of your compensation via a third party” why on earth would they do that ? HMRC will be all over every penny these guys get paid...amd if they’re getting paid by companies other than Spurs then that becomes an issue for the Premier League and FFP. Or are you saying they’re getting paid this money and no deckaring it?
Just don’t see the players would take the risk...10 years ago maybe but not now with HMRC’s ability to retrospectively change the rules why would you ? And then what chanceof Harry Kane’s lawyer and accountant signing off on it ?
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