The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]

[mickk]

Gavia said:

Liverpool are pretty much a bought side with no self developed youth of note.

Don't know what you mean, Klopp's only spent £250m in the last year.

[Black can man]

I didn’t say it was fine , I just said it works for them. I’d much rather there be some kind of rule that would mean that all teams must include at least 3 or 4 homegrown youth players in the 17 or so on the team sheet.

Not going to happen though I know.

[Helicopter123]

mickk said:

Gavia said:

Liverpool are pretty much a bought side with no self developed youth of note.

Don't know what you mean, Klopp's only spent £250m in the last year.

Liverpool team now an entirely 'bought' team, and in many ways sums up exactly what is wrong with the modern game.

Also exactly what Klopp said he would not do.

[Gavia]

Black can man said:

I didn’t say it was fine , I just said it works for them. I’d much rather there be some kind of rule that would mean that all teams must include at least 3 or 4 homegrown youth players in the 17 or so on the team sheet.

Not going to happen though I know.

It might. At some point this TV bubble will burst amd that’s the time where the FA needs to get its house in order. Might not be in our lifetimes though.

[Gone a bit AMG]

anniesdad said:

There’s no chance Rashford will go out on loan. He’s established now. If he goes it will because we sell him for £100M+ probably. As I see it, he’ll not be going anywhere. He’s part of the future at United and like all the players in the squad has to perform week in week out to be considered a regular starter. If he’s out and he gets a chance he has to take it. He’s not the finished article yet but if he becomes it then he’ll be pretty much unstoppable. He’s got all the attributes to be just as effective as Mbappe.

Agree.

It's good to see the debate. He's grounded and he's got a career at united and I think he's years away from his peak so deserves patience. Wtf is he going to learn on loan now?

We've another youngster laden friendly tonight. Quiet on transfers, youth team manager promoted to a senior role on jose's first team staff, I'll be watching with interest. I think we'll be seeing a few of these boys this season.

[uk66fastback]

anniesdad said:

He’s got all the attributes to be just as effective as Mbappe.

Quoted as that is plain ridiculous! I know you like him an' all but come on ... !

[m3sye]

Gavia said:

Brilliant, United get accused of not developing youth, despite us always having at least one player from the academy in the 1st XI and also having this conveyor belt of young talent that wins things regularly, but we sell on. However, Chelsea doing it is fine though and evidences their investment in youth

I’d ignore m3sye he’s on an even bigger WUM with his throwaway Rashford / Martial comment. His whole argument hinges on Alexander-Arnold, as without him Liverpool are pretty much a bought side with no self developed youth of note.

What you on about?
I asked a sinple question as i rememver seeing him getting asked about it on sky sports and he didnt say anything about them being "ste"
They were young with loads in front and never really got a chance so moved...

Other than anything positive what have i said about martial and rashford too?

[m3sye]

Black can man said:

I didn’t say it was fine , I just said it works for them. I’d much rather there be some kind of rule that would mean that all teams must include at least 3 or 4 homegrown youth players in the 17 or so on the team sheet.

Not going to happen though I know.

Agreed
But you cant just have it in the prem, needs to be across all teams in europe

[franki68]

m3sye said:

Gavia said:

Brilliant, United get accused of not developing youth, despite us always having at least one player from the academy in the 1st XI and also having this conveyor belt of young talent that wins things regularly, but we sell on. However, Chelsea doing it is fine though and evidences their investment in youth

I’d ignore m3sye he’s on an even bigger WUM with his throwaway Rashford / Martial comment. His whole argument hinges on Alexander-Arnold, as without him Liverpool are pretty much a bought side with no self developed youth of note.

What you on about?
I asked a sinple question as i rememver seeing him getting asked about it on sky sports and he didnt say anything about them being "ste"
They were young with loads in front and never really got a chance so moved...

Other than anything positive what have i said about martial and rashford too?

As I said ,I wouldn’t take the ‘st’ bit literally ,he did say in one of those sky things that Salah didn’t do enough when he had the chance .
Anyway the relevant point is that I was addressing the nonsense that they didn’t get a chance due to jose.
My argument was it was as much to do with Chelsea and their demands for instant success as it was to do with Jose ,could any manager at Chelsea be afforded the opportunity to bring in a very young player ? Has any manager since RA took over brought through youngsters to be first team regulars ?

[Gavia]

m3sye said:

What you on about?
I asked a sinple question as i rememver seeing him getting asked about it on sky sports and he didnt say anything about them being "ste"
They were young with loads in front and never really got a chance so moved...

Other than anything positive what have i said about martial and rashford too?

1. Franki68 didn’t use the words “st” or “ste”, he said “suggested they were a bit crap”. Just as you’ve used poetic licence to embellish your point , so did he.

2. Your comment about Martial / Rashford was to suggest that that they were leaving United.

[m3sye]

2- no it wasnt, it was their chances at utd are a bit more limited now with signing of Sanchez(much like salah and de bruyne was with more experieced players ahead of them)-tbh i am pretty sure you have said the same thing

[Gavia]

m3sye said:

2- no it wasnt, it was their chances at utd are a bit more limited now with signing of Sanchez(much like salah and de bruyne was with more experieced players ahead of them)-tbh i am pretty sure you have said the same thing

No you explicitly said about them leaving, one quote it below.

I’ve said that the discussion about Rashfoard leaving / going out on loan is ridiculous.

I’ve said that I’d be gutted if Martial left but I can understand it. I dislike his sulky approach.

m3sye said:

You made that up?

He said competition was fierce and they were young so they made a choice to move on which was right for them..
Probably similar to Rashford and Martial

[m3sye]

Sorry i shpuld have said i meant about the competition not about them moving on

I expect they will want too if things dont change, as no doubt you will too...

[Gavia]

m3sye said:

Sorry i shpuld have said i meant about the competition not about them moving on

I expect they will want too if things dont change, as no doubt you will too...

I’ll understand Martial leaving. Firstly because he’s a sulky bugger and secondly he’s missed out in a spot in a team that’s just won the WC.

Rashford. Nope I won’t accept or understand it. I’ll agree that’s down to Mourinho but I’ve been fairly critical of him for a while.

[franki68]

Anyway the MEN reporting based on Duncan castles (who does seem to get a lot right about united)that united are close to signing Sandro.

[Alpinestars]

I know it’s only a friendly, and with lots of second string players, but boy do we look st. Couldn’t score in a month of Sundays.

[bstb3]

Alpinestars said:

I know it’s only a friendly, and with lots of second string players, but boy do we look st. Couldn’t score in a month of Sundays.

yep, it was like the worst of last season all over again. Like you say its only preseason friendly, and some of our better players were missing, but it was dire. Would have been seriously pissed if it had meant anything. Martial looks like he was trying to play himself out of the club, but no one would touch him on that performance - at least not for decent money.

Pereira looked decent, Sanchez was busy and Shaw ran a lot, but otherwise it was pretty insipid. Same problems from last year in attack and on the right, yet it looks like our top signing priority now will be a CB according to the papers

Long time to go yet though, so no point worrying.

Chong proved JM right on his physicality comments, so that's something, i guess...

[Alpinestars]

We need defenders who are comfortable bringing the ball forward and passing. That at least gives us more options and the opposition something to at least think about. As it is, as soon as the ball goes back, it’s like some uber Mensa puzzle on how to get it forward. Martial is a lazy tt. Tons of talent, but zero for attitude.

[200Plus Club]

I never read too much into pre season friendlies. We've had years we played terrible and won the league afterward. Last season I think we had some marvellous results and then won sod all.

Valencia out isn't good though considering we may end up without a right back now

[GloverMart]

Wouldn't you just move Young across and bring in Shaw at LB?