The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)

The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)

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J6542

1,710 posts

46 months

Sunday 31st March
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Challo said:
J6542 said:
Challo said:
If we park the ETH discussion for the moment, and take a step back and think how do we as fans want to play football. If you look at the current teams in the prem my preference would be Liverpool or Spurs.

- Good to watch
- Scores lots of goals
- Exciting football
- High back lines and press from the front

Last night and most of this season shows that no matter what manager comes in they face an up hill battle with a squad that is technically lacking, slow, and struggles with the ball at their feet. ETH talks about being brave with the ball but I just look at our team and think there is only a handful that look comfy on the ball.

Last night it was like the ball was a bomb and we looked scared to touch it. You can see why Mainoo was starting in pre season and they bought Mount as well to try keep hold of the thing.

Personally I think if we had a quick/mobile CB who is good on the ball, another Mainoo type player in midfield I think the performance would be hugely different
Did you watch any spurs games last season? They were terrible. The new manager came in with his style and made them play it.
Since ETH has came in I haven’t seen any style of play or any sign of the players being coached. We seam to play as a team of individuals.
True but that was Conte and he plays dreadful football. Spurs team yesterday is light years away from Contes team, they have made some good signings, but also he promoted youth from the reserves who should have been playing last season but that has allowed them to play this exciting football.

If you look at our squad right now could we play the same football as say Spurs, Liverpool or Brighton? Are the players good enough?

Do you seem the same work ethic, technical ability in our team?
Nobody seen it in the spurs team last season either. Our team have plenty of technical ability but are lacking in work ethic and style, which is ETH job to coach them. I thought when Onana came in we were going to play out from the back more, but we seam to pass back to him and he launches it up field.

G-wiz

2,304 posts

28 months

Sunday 31st March
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FA Cup win or Champions League spot?

Challo

10,365 posts

157 months

Sunday 31st March
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J6542 said:
Nobody seen it in the spurs team last season either. Our team have plenty of technical ability but are lacking in work ethic and style, which is ETH job to coach them. I thought when Onana came in we were going to play out from the back more, but we seam to pass back to him and he launches it up field.
I look at our team and don’t see players technically comfortable with the ball at their feet. If Onana has the ball, outside of Dalot did any of the back 4 look happy to receive the ball under pressure and play forward passes?

ORD

18,120 posts

129 months

Sunday 31st March
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We know many of the players are decent, yet we got absolutely dominated by an awful team yesterday. One of the most one-sided games of the season.

Why is that? A mix of things, but a big part is that we have an utterly incompetent management and coaching set up.

200Plus Club

10,855 posts

280 months

Sunday 31st March
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G-wiz said:
FA Cup win or Champions League spot?
I'd be surprised if we got anything this season. Either would be a pleasant bonus. Lots of work to be done over summer.

Drabbesttunic

1,283 posts

42 months

Sunday 31st March
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G-wiz said:
FA Cup win or Champions League spot?
Surely you'd always choose a cup.

57Ford

4,148 posts

136 months

Sunday 31st March
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Drabbesttunic said:
G-wiz said:
FA Cup win or Champions League spot?
Surely you'd always choose a cup.
Nah, if was an exclusive choice, I’d go with the CL qualification all day long. Without that, our potential for attracting fresh blood this summer and having the funds for signing any in a year’s time is (even further) diminished.
I really think we’ve blown the CL places now anyway frown

Edited by 57Ford on Sunday 31st March 19:57

classicaholic

1,769 posts

72 months

Sunday 31st March
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G-wiz said:
FA Cup win or Champions League spot?
Could I have us beating the dippers and stopping them winning the league like we did with the FA cup!

Wombat3

12,389 posts

208 months

Sunday 31st March
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4th is looking like it's out of reach now. FA Cup or not I'd say that puts ETH in the crosshairs.

LF5335

6,246 posts

45 months

Sunday 31st March
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and31 said:
Some of us were at that game-despite a poor performance it was still a great buzz to get two very late goals and win the match-what’s your problem with that?
Perhaps you should go to some games? It’s really not difficult to get tickets…
It’s funny being the bad guy on here. Literally every post is slamming the team, the performance and / or the manager, but that gets ignored.

Saying that United are rubbish currently isn’t being negative. It’s a statement of fact. Going to watch a match doesn’t make you special, or somehow give you more of an opinion on here, despite what some claim.

If the best we can hope for is a last minute home win against an awful team and then being unable to hold on for a minute after scoring another last minute goal against the same team, then we’re heading in absolutely the wrong direction. Teams can lose the odd match in a shock, but there’s no shock here. We are outplayed by any team that decides to put up even half a fight.

Forester1965

1,958 posts

5 months

Sunday 31st March
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I was at the pre season game at OT against Lens. It showed all the problems we would have this season.

If I could see it, why couldn't the manager?

and31

3,215 posts

129 months

Sunday 31st March
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LF5335 said:
It’s funny being the bad guy on here. Literally every post is slamming the team, the performance and / or the manager, but that gets ignored.

Saying that United are rubbish currently isn’t being negative. It’s a statement of fact. Going to watch a match doesn’t make you special, or somehow give you more of an opinion on here, despite what some claim.
Read what I said after last nights match, I agree we are piss poor.
going to a match doesn’t make me special, but you referenced the United -Brentford game, clearly taking the piss “whoohoo family and kids and stuff where there, loved it”
Well I was there so it certainly gives me more of an opinion about that particular game over someone that watched it on match of the day! brilliant at the end-great fun,despite the performance that day.who are you to judge?



Edited by and31 on Sunday 31st March 22:54

G-wiz

2,304 posts

28 months

Sunday 31st March
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I am more inclined to agree with simona and LF355 opinion now, that ETH, like his Dutch compatriot, Guido Fawkes, should have been hung, drawn and quartered, some time ago.

Challo

10,365 posts

157 months

Monday 1st April
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G-wiz said:
I am more inclined to agree with simona and LF355 opinion now, that ETH, like his Dutch compatriot, Guido Fawkes, should have been hung, drawn and quartered, some time ago.
While I agree that ETH is doing himself no favours at the moment and continuing performances like that will mean he won’t keep his job in the summer.

If you look at a lot of the modern day managers, they all want to play possession football, build out from the back etc and I don’t think our squad does that. Requires more signings which will take time.

Unless we get rid of Casemiro in the summer i can’t see us going big on another midfielder. The guy is on a long contract and obscene wages

As I said yesterday, I think what ever happens this is a wake up call for the owners and who ever the DOF will be that it’s a massive job and they are going to have to be ruthless

franki68

10,486 posts

223 months

Monday 1st April
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ETH is trying to get the team to do things they are not equipped to do , instead of looking at what we actually have and how best to use it .
Performances have been woeful and on one hand I see the need to change but on the other look at arteta and klopp both of whom had similar performance levels for a few years before things started to click .

jgrewal

768 posts

49 months

Monday 1st April
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ETH will go and he knows he's done even if somehow miraculously won the FA Cup. Everyone can see we're going backwards and our running joke 0 or negative goal difference is now in April. What kind of life is it for a united fan right now? We either need City to win 4 in a row, Liverpool to match 20 titles or have Arsenal win their first title a decade. Pure punishment.

uk66fastback

16,637 posts

273 months

Monday 1st April
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Don’t put Ten Haag at the same level as Klopp (if all other things are equal) when it comes to motivation, man-management and coaching - that is an insane comparison.

franki68

10,486 posts

223 months

Monday 1st April
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uk66fastback said:
Don’t put Ten Haag at the same level as Klopp (if all other things are equal) when it comes to motivation, man-management and coaching - that is an insane comparison.
Talk about missing the point .

LF5335

6,246 posts

45 months

Monday 1st April
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franki68 said:
ETH is trying to get the team to do things they are not equipped to do , instead of looking at what we actually have and how best to use it .
Performances have been woeful and on one hand I see the need to change but on the other look at arteta and klopp both of whom had similar performance levels for a few years before things started to click .
Both of the managers you mention had completely transformed their squads after two years with their own players. They might not have been the right players ultimately, but there was change. We are still using players as far back as the LVG era and rating them as critical to the team (Shaw).

The lack of squad turnover can be blamed on all aspects of the club, but ETH’s chosen players are pretty crap.

G-wiz

2,304 posts

28 months

Monday 1st April
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2 points of order:

jgrewal said:
What kind of life is it for a united fan right now?
When we knock off the perch, those currrently on the perch, the pleasure will be intense.

jgrewal said:
or have Arsenal win their first title a decade.
Arsenal have not a title in 2 decades, not a decade.