The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]
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Wacky Racer said:
I'm only joking. Early days yet, don't panic.
I'm not at all. And today won't be the last shock defeat, there are underlying issues that were not solved pre season.Time to get regrouped. We've not got a right back at mo, Sanchez and lukaku with Rash up front will be the option I guess, and I don't think we'll see Bailey/lindy hop paired against spurs.
And all of last season. There are massive problems (almost all down to Mou), and the players are already phoning it in and waiting for him to go.
It’s just a waiting game for any fans who want Utd to play football again. It won’t happen under this manager. He’s just hanging on to get a big compensation payment:
It’s just a waiting game for any fans who want Utd to play football again. It won’t happen under this manager. He’s just hanging on to get a big compensation payment:
ORD said:
And all of last season. There are massive problems (almost all down to Mou), and the players are already phoning it in and waiting for him to go.
It’s just a waiting game for any fans who want Utd to play football again. It won’t happen under this manager. He’s just hanging on to get a big compensation payment:
He's not waiting for money, his ego won't allow him to go without winning something worthwhile. It’s just a waiting game for any fans who want Utd to play football again. It won’t happen under this manager. He’s just hanging on to get a big compensation payment:
As others have said, the players need to take a huge slice of the blame here - including the poster boy.
Ascayman said:
Lost possession 27 times today
So ridiculously overrated.
That would suggest that the whole team is constantly playing the ball to him, no matter where he is. Unless you think he only touched it 27 times in the whole game amd gave it away every time. So ridiculously overrated.
Stats in football are b
ks, apart from the result. BadBull said:
What have you seen that suggests that's possible?
My reasoning: rubbish pre season with most of first team missing, so no time together plus tired players as seen against Leicester. New boy Fred trying to settle, no one slots in immediately. Matic out, he's a bigger loss than most realise. Usual shenanigans in centre defence swapping bailey/lind/ Jones/smalling/ Rojo perhaps. Just pick two and stick to em.Valencia out (altho he can't cross he is at least a good RB). Sanchez out having not linked up with lukaku as yet.
Final piece of the pie is the lack of any options upfront , Martial and Rash just not doing it and I don't think Jose is to blame for all these woes, partially yes but players didn't turn up.
Let's look again at 10 games in I think. Not that we can do anything other than work hard and not panic unlike some on here lol
Question:-
Hypothetically, if Pep took over at United tomorrow, and had to keep all the current players, do you think there would be a big improvement in the performances after a few weeks, or are the players just not good enough?
On paper you have some world class stars, but they don't seem to be living up to their individual reputations.
I don't think anyone can say Jose is a poor manager.
Hypothetically, if Pep took over at United tomorrow, and had to keep all the current players, do you think there would be a big improvement in the performances after a few weeks, or are the players just not good enough?
On paper you have some world class stars, but they don't seem to be living up to their individual reputations.
I don't think anyone can say Jose is a poor manager.
Wacky Racer said:
Question:-
Hypothetically, if Pep took over at United tomorrow, and had to keep all the current players, do you think there would be a big improvement in the performances after a few weeks, or are the players just not good enough?
On paper you have some world class stars, but they don't seem to be living up to their individual reputations.
I don't think anyone can say Jose is a poor manager.
Good question and not under any circumstances would he stick with that squad. We've a mix of 2 or 3 manager picks now and Pep was granted the money to do his thing immediately. It's paid off. Jose is many things and not perfect but he's won things with this squad and can do more still I think but he's got some players simply not good enough for whatever reason (skill/confidence/effort).Hypothetically, if Pep took over at United tomorrow, and had to keep all the current players, do you think there would be a big improvement in the performances after a few weeks, or are the players just not good enough?
On paper you have some world class stars, but they don't seem to be living up to their individual reputations.
I don't think anyone can say Jose is a poor manager.
It's not one thing alone that's certain. And I personally don't think we would gain by getting rid of him. Back him for 2 more seasons with the players he wants or don't at all.
Who else is available that could manage UTD anyway right now? Way too soon to be worrying about it, time for heads down and pulling together. No doubt the press have their stories lined up for 7 days now with little effort..
Wacky Racer said:
Question:-
Hypothetically, if Pep took over at United tomorrow, and had to keep all the current players, do you think there would be a big improvement in the performances after a few weeks, or are the players just not good enough?
On paper you have some world class stars, but they don't seem to be living up to their individual reputations.
I don't think anyone can say Jose is a poor manager.
I’m not sure it would be “big” in a few weeks, I’d think there would be an improvement, but your squad is significantly deeper and better than ours. Pep struggled in his first season, so I don’t think he’s a miracle worker. Hypothetically, if Pep took over at United tomorrow, and had to keep all the current players, do you think there would be a big improvement in the performances after a few weeks, or are the players just not good enough?
On paper you have some world class stars, but they don't seem to be living up to their individual reputations.
I don't think anyone can say Jose is a poor manager.
Jose is a poor manager on current showing, the team are clearly struggling with his instructions and his approach leaves most scratching their heads. The lack of passion is what frustrates the most, closely followed by the lack of movement.
It's not all doom and gloom for you guys though:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/19/m...
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/19/m...
200Plus Club said:
Wacky Racer said:
Question:-
Hypothetically, if Pep took over at United tomorrow, and had to keep all the current players, do you think there would be a big improvement in the performances after a few weeks, or are the players just not good enough?
On paper you have some world class stars, but they don't seem to be living up to their individual reputations.
I don't think anyone can say Jose is a poor manager.
Good question and not under any circumstances would he stick with that squad. We've a mix of 2 or 3 manager picks now and Pep was granted the money to do his thing immediately. It's paid off. Jose is many things and not perfect but he's won things with this squad and can do more still I think but he's got some players simply not good enough for whatever reason (skill/confidence/effort).Hypothetically, if Pep took over at United tomorrow, and had to keep all the current players, do you think there would be a big improvement in the performances after a few weeks, or are the players just not good enough?
On paper you have some world class stars, but they don't seem to be living up to their individual reputations.
I don't think anyone can say Jose is a poor manager.
It's not one thing alone that's certain. And I personally don't think we would gain by getting rid of him. Back him for 2 more seasons with the players he wants or don't at all.
Who else is available that could manage UTD anyway right now? Way too soon to be worrying about it, time for heads down and pulling together. No doubt the press have their stories lined up for 7 days now with little effort..
Results would take a year or so...exactly as per city.
Look at Leeds as an example of same players and different manager to see how quickly players can adapt to a new style.
Leeds doing well isn't same as prem tho. Yes a new manager tends to perk up teams from a bad run, but I'm not judging Jose by what the papers suggest is a torn team spirit and unhappiness. They don't look unhappy in training etc.
It's a few things not clicking at the mo and no real shock tbh, we've only got Fred new from last year and lost Carrick and have Matic out. We've enough squad to try a few more things yet and the onus is on the players and Jose to pull together. I suspect we'll be ok yet.
I'm looking forward to the first shock for the spuds and Liverpool. Unfortunately I can't see anything going to happen to City, they've just picked up where they left off and have a slightly improved squad to play with too!
It's a few things not clicking at the mo and no real shock tbh, we've only got Fred new from last year and lost Carrick and have Matic out. We've enough squad to try a few more things yet and the onus is on the players and Jose to pull together. I suspect we'll be ok yet.
I'm looking forward to the first shock for the spuds and Liverpool. Unfortunately I can't see anything going to happen to City, they've just picked up where they left off and have a slightly improved squad to play with too!
Interesting post match comments for once. Jose refused to pick on any specific players and Pogba stepped upto the mark by admitting he didn't perform and his attitude wasn't right today. Maybe it's time for a few others to do so! It's a start at least towards better manager/player relations.
Stats show up lack of effort winning balls back and covering ground, players need to up their efforts and cut out the sloppiness.
Stats show up lack of effort winning balls back and covering ground, players need to up their efforts and cut out the sloppiness.
200Plus Club said:
Leeds doing well isn't same as prem tho. Yes a new manager tends to perk up teams from a bad run, but I'm not judging Jose by what the papers suggest is a torn team spirit and unhappiness. They don't look unhappy in training etc.
It's a few things not clicking at the mo and no real shock tbh, we've only got Fred new from last year and lost Carrick and have Matic out. We've enough squad to try a few more things yet and the onus is on the players and Jose to pull together. I suspect we'll be ok yet.
I'm looking forward to the first shock for the spuds and Liverpool. Unfortunately I can't see anything going to happen to City, they've just picked up where they left off and have a slightly improved squad to play with too!
Leeds is my example of same players different manager changing a team around. Pep would do the same with the current United team. It's a few things not clicking at the mo and no real shock tbh, we've only got Fred new from last year and lost Carrick and have Matic out. We've enough squad to try a few more things yet and the onus is on the players and Jose to pull together. I suspect we'll be ok yet.
I'm looking forward to the first shock for the spuds and Liverpool. Unfortunately I can't see anything going to happen to City, they've just picked up where they left off and have a slightly improved squad to play with too!
Jose is into the third season and the only solution when going behind is bringing on Fellani and knocking long balls up to him and Lukaku.
London424 said:
Leeds is my example of same players different manager changing a team around. Pep would do the same with the current United team.
Jose is into the third season and the only solution when going behind is bringing on Fellani and knocking long balls up to him and Lukaku.
To be fair we don't have any other attackers available as proven first team. Jose would need to bring in one of the U23 or U21 attackers and blood them. I agree though that chucking fellaini on as above isn't good to see, albeit he's turned games by doing so. Jose is into the third season and the only solution when going behind is bringing on Fellani and knocking long balls up to him and Lukaku.
Ideal world- Eden Hazard or someone of that ilk who can drive forward and make things happen.
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