The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]
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The most important thing a manager must do is make his players want to play for him. Without that you just end up with a disparate and disinterested group of players. That is the problem with Utd right now and that's been the hallmark of the dying days of every Mourinho appointment so far.
I have no doubt there are players who are underperforming due to his personality having a negative effect on them.
While one result does not mean you guys will end up relegated it should raise alarm bells as to how far up the table you'll finish. Top 4 with him in charge will be very difficult. I think even top
6 will be hard.
Man Utd are in trouble. Last season was an anomaly in them finishing second.
I have no doubt there are players who are underperforming due to his personality having a negative effect on them.
While one result does not mean you guys will end up relegated it should raise alarm bells as to how far up the table you'll finish. Top 4 with him in charge will be very difficult. I think even top
6 will be hard.
Man Utd are in trouble. Last season was an anomaly in them finishing second.
200Plus Club said:
Interesting post match comments for once. Jose refused to pick on any specific players and Pogba stepped upto the mark by admitting he didn't perform and his attitude wasn't right today. Maybe it's time for a few others to do so! It's a start at least towards better manager/player relations.
Stats show up lack of effort winning balls back and covering ground, players need to up their efforts and cut out the sloppiness.
That is positive for you, maybe JM has figured out publicly chastising players is not the way to build team spirit.Stats show up lack of effort winning balls back and covering ground, players need to up their efforts and cut out the sloppiness.
But not making enough effort or not caring or getting clear instructions is down to the manager - even if the instructions create a dull spectacle JM is a proven winner. What motivates one of these princesses earning 100k-200k a week to put their body on the line?
I have given up on this generation feeling a sense of responsibility or paying back those wages or faith shown in them, or thinking of the fans who sacrifice a lot to watch their team. Can only be team spirit and an inspirational leader - lost that and any team will have issues.
Utd will finish top 6 at a canter - there is too many players that can make a bit of magic happen and JM proved last season he can win matches 1-0 with only one or two good moments in 90
franki68 said:
I found it utterly soul destroying .If united finish in the top 4 it will show how poor the league is.
Something radical has to be done .
because of the lack of major update to the first team (attack and cb) I think we can effectively hope for top 4 at best unless the spirit within them changes. Maybe Jose stopping talking about individuals plus Pogba coming out and being honest for once will make other players sit up. Something radical has to be done .
Kick up bum week methinks!
200Plus Club said:
because of the lack of major update to the first team (attack and cb) I think we can effectively hope for top 4 at best unless the spirit within them changes. Maybe Jose stopping talking about individuals plus Pogba coming out and being honest for once will make other players sit up.
Kick up bum week methinks!
This CB bKick up bum week methinks!
ks is doing my head in now. Mourinho bought Bailly and Lindelof amd now he’s saying they’re no good. Can nobody else see this? Ditto Lukaku. He can’t simply buy players, decide they’re no good and demand another load are bought in their place. No wonder the Board are unwilling to sanction obscene deals for near 30 year old players. Gavia said:
200Plus Club said:
because of the lack of major update to the first team (attack and cb) I think we can effectively hope for top 4 at best unless the spirit within them changes. Maybe Jose stopping talking about individuals plus Pogba coming out and being honest for once will make other players sit up.
Kick up bum week methinks!
This CB bKick up bum week methinks!
ks is doing my head in now. Mourinho bought Bailly and Lindelof amd now he’s saying they’re no good. Can nobody else see this? Ditto Lukaku. He can’t simply buy players, decide they’re no good and demand another load are bought in their place. No wonder the Board are unwilling to sanction obscene deals for near 30 year old players. Does it not highlight what a poor job Jose is doing that Sarri can get Chelsea playing as a very decent side with a vague idea of what they're all doing and looking like a cohesive team in just a few weeks. OK, so he had a decent base of a team when he arrived, but in terms of playing style and team ethic he seems to have achieved more in a few weeks than Jose has in years with the Utd squad.
jammy-git said:
Does it not highlight what a poor job Jose is doing that Sarri can get Chelsea playing as a very decent side with a vague idea of what they're all doing and looking like a cohesive team in just a few weeks. OK, so he had a decent base of a team when he arrived, but in terms of playing style and team ethic he seems to have achieved more in a few weeks than Jose has in years with the Utd squad.
I’ll pretemd this isn’t one of the passive aggressive WUMs that I referred to earlier and answer it. Everybody and anybody who’s ever followed football to any degree will know all about the new manager bounce. It’s 10+ games when you measure a new manager.
As Defoe said yesterday during the Sky coverage, teams are not afraid of Utd anymore. You simply don't have the players of old who could tear you apart - whereas City now do - as some others do as well. Gavia and Alpine might well bemoan that fact and say teams are beaten before they start against City but that is what teams were against Utd for YEARS.
Unfortunately for you, times have changed - and you're going to have to accept it!
Unfortunately for you, times have changed - and you're going to have to accept it!
franki68 said:
I read an article s few weeks ago about jose’s Signings,according to which most of the signings were his 3rd or 4th choice for that position with the board unwilling to sanction the funds needed to get his main target in each purchase.
I think your board are right to say enough is enough, they have given JM over £400m and backed him on big purchases - I can imagine his list of 4 forwards being:Messi
Ronaldo
Neymar
Lukaku
And him grumbling he got number 4
franki68 said:
Gavia said:
200Plus Club said:
because of the lack of major update to the first team (attack and cb) I think we can effectively hope for top 4 at best unless the spirit within them changes. Maybe Jose stopping talking about individuals plus Pogba coming out and being honest for once will make other players sit up.
Kick up bum week methinks!
This CB bKick up bum week methinks!
ks is doing my head in now. Mourinho bought Bailly and Lindelof amd now he’s saying they’re no good. Can nobody else see this? Ditto Lukaku. He can’t simply buy players, decide they’re no good and demand another load are bought in their place. No wonder the Board are unwilling to sanction obscene deals for near 30 year old players. uk66fastback said:
As Defoe said yesterday during the Sky coverage, teams are not afraid of Utd anymore. You simply don't have the players of old who could tear you apart - whereas City now do - as some others do as well. Gavia and Alpine might well bemoan that fact and say teams are beaten before they start against City but that is what teams were against Utd for YEARS.
Unfortunately for you, times have changed - and you're going to have to accept it!
I bemoan it only insofar as I’d like to think that when we turn up we make other teams think about how they’re going to play to beat us. There’s little thought process needed nowadays, just get stuck in and close United players down and you’re guaranteed to win. Don’t worry too much about the attack, as we’ll need three clear attempts to score one and if you can mark Lukaku out of the game then we’re absolutely screwed. Unfortunately for you, times have changed - and you're going to have to accept it!
The killer for me is that we have no shape and movement at all. I watch our matches thinking ‘What formation is this?!’ and cannot for the life of me work out what our tactics are - who is supposed to be doing what.
At least LVG had a strategy - pass the ball arojnd forever and hope the other team gets bored. We don’t even do that. We sacrifice possession without even really trying to create anything.
At least LVG had a strategy - pass the ball arojnd forever and hope the other team gets bored. We don’t even do that. We sacrifice possession without even really trying to create anything.
greygoose said:
The board and Woodward seem to be getting off very lightly in all this, easy to blame Mourinho all the time but it is not as if United are short of cash it just disappears off to the Glazers instead of going on the pitch.
Really? I’m no fan of the Glazers, but have they stripped the club recently? Debt is being paid down and marketing revenues are brought the roof. Would those marketing revenues (that thy may well be pocketing) have existed without them?Money was there to an extent, just JM wanted to spend it on 30 year olds, rather than players who have a future beyond their first contract.
franki68 said:
I read an article s few weeks ago about jose’s Signings,according to which most of the signings were his 3rd or 4th choice for that position with the board unwilling to sanction the funds needed to get his main target in each purchase.
Then he should stand by his principles and walk, or only give a top 3 list. Better still maybe he should STFU and show some management skill and get a team playing like a team, rather than the shambles we currently have. Don’t forget, the Leicester game was hardly scintillating stuff. Gavia said:
jammy-git said:
Does it not highlight what a poor job Jose is doing that Sarri can get Chelsea playing as a very decent side with a vague idea of what they're all doing and looking like a cohesive team in just a few weeks. OK, so he had a decent base of a team when he arrived, but in terms of playing style and team ethic he seems to have achieved more in a few weeks than Jose has in years with the Utd squad.
I’ll pretemd this isn’t one of the passive aggressive WUMs that I referred to earlier and answer it. Everybody and anybody who’s ever followed football to any degree will know all about the new manager bounce. It’s 10+ games when you measure a new manager.
I think most of the top managers can quite quickly impose their philosophy and playing style on a team and whilst it may take a bit longer to get all the pieces of the puzzle, most will continually improve a team whilst doing so. Klopp, Poch, Pep, Sarri. Within weeks or months you could see the system they were trying to create. It may have taken a few transfer windows to get the right personnel (sorry Poch) but you could always see the system the players were using and the style the manager was trying to implement.
Unfortunately I think I agree with ORD - either football has moved on or Jose has lost his touch. This Utd side looks nowhere close to the Chelsea side he had first time around. Maybe that's not just Jose's fault, maybe Utd need to bring in a Director of Football to help implement a transfer policy and identify new targets?
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