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Absolutely awful.
As the previous poster said, no excuse for not being fit Covid or not on pre season games.
Lazy overpaid t*****s.
Starts with the manager who doesn't have a clue and won't play any form of attacking football, even if we can't defend and will leak goals, a previous CEO who signed expensive has beens or injury prone basket cases on long contracts and an owner who I fear has lost interest in this joke of a club. A keeper that is a liability, Figueiredo just useless and has been for 2 seasons, no full backs, a couple of bang average midfielders both who cannot string a forward pass together..oh and captain fantastic.
Well we were all laughing at Direby, but look where they are in the league!
I can't see us getting anything in the next two matches CH cannot survive after that surely. Guess we will have Jenks and Colback as our 2 fullbacks for the next 3 games.
Can we but dream of an Eddie Howe, Frank Lampard or Chris Wilder being interested in giving us some direction....not a chance in H**l!
Seems the only highlight of a truly awful start to the season is Zinckernagel.
Why is it we football fans cannot turn our allegiance to something far better to spend our money/time on?
We have Leicester down the road playing attractive football, a good manager, great owners, nice stadium....but I always open the Nottingham Post Forest page...how sad am I!
As the previous poster said, no excuse for not being fit Covid or not on pre season games.
Lazy overpaid t*****s.
Starts with the manager who doesn't have a clue and won't play any form of attacking football, even if we can't defend and will leak goals, a previous CEO who signed expensive has beens or injury prone basket cases on long contracts and an owner who I fear has lost interest in this joke of a club. A keeper that is a liability, Figueiredo just useless and has been for 2 seasons, no full backs, a couple of bang average midfielders both who cannot string a forward pass together..oh and captain fantastic.
Well we were all laughing at Direby, but look where they are in the league!
I can't see us getting anything in the next two matches CH cannot survive after that surely. Guess we will have Jenks and Colback as our 2 fullbacks for the next 3 games.
Can we but dream of an Eddie Howe, Frank Lampard or Chris Wilder being interested in giving us some direction....not a chance in H**l!
Seems the only highlight of a truly awful start to the season is Zinckernagel.
Why is it we football fans cannot turn our allegiance to something far better to spend our money/time on?
We have Leicester down the road playing attractive football, a good manager, great owners, nice stadium....but I always open the Nottingham Post Forest page...how sad am I!
This is barely literate cliche nonsense, no wonder the players aren’t inspired.
Nottingham Forest manager Chris Hughton told BBC Radio Nottingham:
"In the first half, I thought we were good. We frustrated them, I thought we were decent on the ball, had good possession, but they're the moments where you've got to get your goals.
"They had a spell in the second half where they upped it a little bit. That stemmed from us having a period where we gave the ball away, which we didn't do in the first half.
"Unless we are breaking the deadlock ourselves, we are always putting ourselves under pressure. They capitalised and at the moment we haven't been good enough to take that type of lead without the mistakes."
We will get nothing from the Wolves game and then I see an inspired Direby absolutely taking us apart, even if Worral is back.
The future certainly looks bleak unless some serious transfer business happens this week.
Would Garner (or Man U) really want to be at Forest, I worry he will end up at Direby if they are allowed to sign loaners.
I really wished we had stayed with Warburton, with the sort of investment that has been wasted over the years since he tried the youth approach we would be in a much better position than this. At least he had a positive approach and motivates.
I can't see how CH can retain the dressing room with such a toxic atmosphere around the club. It may not be all his doing but he doesn't help.
The future certainly looks bleak unless some serious transfer business happens this week.
Would Garner (or Man U) really want to be at Forest, I worry he will end up at Direby if they are allowed to sign loaners.
I really wished we had stayed with Warburton, with the sort of investment that has been wasted over the years since he tried the youth approach we would be in a much better position than this. At least he had a positive approach and motivates.
I can't see how CH can retain the dressing room with such a toxic atmosphere around the club. It may not be all his doing but he doesn't help.
I wish the people being critical of the (so-called) two defensive midfield formation would be just as critical of the 3 attacking midfielders.
Firstly, I don't think that playing Colback and Yates necessarily means you're playing two deep lying def midfielders. I typically played right back, but often played other positions such as left mid. If I'm playing left wing does that mean the manager is playing two right backs? NO!
Second, the current attacking midfield includes Carvahlo and Mighten. So, Carvahlo, no-one expects him to do any defending. Well that's BS. He should be doing some defensive work. Obviously a lot went wrong in the Stoke goal yesterday, but it started with a half-hearted "challenge" from Carvahlo and zero chasing back. Then there's Mighten. Mighten is a good, exciting, attacking forward but he is very easily knocked or eased off the ball. So he's basically useless in defence.
And then there's the fans (lack of) understanding of the formation. The 4-2-3-1 formation is based on attacking full backs.
The left and right back are expected to push on creating the width in the attack, and not the the three attacking midfielders. Their role is as three seperate no. 10s, not getting to the corner and crossing.
Meanwhile, as the full backs push on creating width the two holding midfielders fall back creating a defensive barrier.
So, 4-2-3-1 is not a defensive formation in itself, it's an attacking, wide formation.
The trouble is we're playing it with young, inexperienced full backs. They may be talented and they look very good. BUT, they're finding their way in the first team so are concentrating on the basics: defending. I don't blame them at all And I don't blame the manager. I blame years of poor recruitment which means we have to play young players rather than bringing them in progressively.
Firstly, I don't think that playing Colback and Yates necessarily means you're playing two deep lying def midfielders. I typically played right back, but often played other positions such as left mid. If I'm playing left wing does that mean the manager is playing two right backs? NO!
Second, the current attacking midfield includes Carvahlo and Mighten. So, Carvahlo, no-one expects him to do any defending. Well that's BS. He should be doing some defensive work. Obviously a lot went wrong in the Stoke goal yesterday, but it started with a half-hearted "challenge" from Carvahlo and zero chasing back. Then there's Mighten. Mighten is a good, exciting, attacking forward but he is very easily knocked or eased off the ball. So he's basically useless in defence.
And then there's the fans (lack of) understanding of the formation. The 4-2-3-1 formation is based on attacking full backs.
The left and right back are expected to push on creating the width in the attack, and not the the three attacking midfielders. Their role is as three seperate no. 10s, not getting to the corner and crossing.
Meanwhile, as the full backs push on creating width the two holding midfielders fall back creating a defensive barrier.
So, 4-2-3-1 is not a defensive formation in itself, it's an attacking, wide formation.
The trouble is we're playing it with young, inexperienced full backs. They may be talented and they look very good. BUT, they're finding their way in the first team so are concentrating on the basics: defending. I don't blame them at all And I don't blame the manager. I blame years of poor recruitment which means we have to play young players rather than bringing them in progressively.
Hackney said:
I wish the people being critical of the (so-called) two defensive midfield formation would be just as critical of the 3 attacking midfielders.
Firstly, I don't think that playing Colback and Yates necessarily means you're playing two deep lying def midfielders. I typically played right back, but often played other positions such as left mid. If I'm playing left wing does that mean the manager is playing two right backs? NO!
Second, the current attacking midfield includes Carvahlo and Mighten. So, Carvahlo, no-one expects him to do any defending. Well that's BS. He should be doing some defensive work. Obviously a lot went wrong in the Stoke goal yesterday, but it started with a half-hearted "challenge" from Carvahlo and zero chasing back. Then there's Mighten. Mighten is a good, exciting, attacking forward but he is very easily knocked or eased off the ball. So he's basically useless in defence.
And then there's the fans (lack of) understanding of the formation. The 4-2-3-1 formation is based on attacking full backs.
The left and right back are expected to push on creating the width in the attack, and not the the three attacking midfielders. Their role is as three seperate no. 10s, not getting to the corner and crossing.
Meanwhile, as the full backs push on creating width the two holding midfielders fall back creating a defensive barrier.
So, 4-2-3-1 is not a defensive formation in itself, it's an attacking, wide formation.
The trouble is we're playing it with young, inexperienced full backs. They may be talented and they look very good. BUT, they're finding their way in the first team so are concentrating on the basics: defending. I don't blame them at all And I don't blame the manager. I blame years of poor recruitment which means we have to play young players rather than bringing them in progressively.
Good analysis Hackney and I see what you are saying. Firstly, I don't think that playing Colback and Yates necessarily means you're playing two deep lying def midfielders. I typically played right back, but often played other positions such as left mid. If I'm playing left wing does that mean the manager is playing two right backs? NO!
Second, the current attacking midfield includes Carvahlo and Mighten. So, Carvahlo, no-one expects him to do any defending. Well that's BS. He should be doing some defensive work. Obviously a lot went wrong in the Stoke goal yesterday, but it started with a half-hearted "challenge" from Carvahlo and zero chasing back. Then there's Mighten. Mighten is a good, exciting, attacking forward but he is very easily knocked or eased off the ball. So he's basically useless in defence.
And then there's the fans (lack of) understanding of the formation. The 4-2-3-1 formation is based on attacking full backs.
The left and right back are expected to push on creating the width in the attack, and not the the three attacking midfielders. Their role is as three seperate no. 10s, not getting to the corner and crossing.
Meanwhile, as the full backs push on creating width the two holding midfielders fall back creating a defensive barrier.
So, 4-2-3-1 is not a defensive formation in itself, it's an attacking, wide formation.
The trouble is we're playing it with young, inexperienced full backs. They may be talented and they look very good. BUT, they're finding their way in the first team so are concentrating on the basics: defending. I don't blame them at all And I don't blame the manager. I blame years of poor recruitment which means we have to play young players rather than bringing them in progressively.
The counter argument though is that the manager is playing/imposing a system which the players can't play as they aren't capable enough.
Playing a more simple system - or one that gets the best out of the players must surely need a bit more flexibility. If we keep playing the formation and keep losing then I am afraid it really IS the managers fault.
True.
I'm hoping that there's the beginnings of a club philosphy and we'reat least trying to play the same way at all levels from youth to senior.It'll take time to instill but at least that means when the manager is inevitably sacked the director of football and other positions, keeping the football philosophy in place.
I'm hoping that there's the beginnings of a club philosphy and we'reat least trying to play the same way at all levels from youth to senior.It'll take time to instill but at least that means when the manager is inevitably sacked the director of football and other positions, keeping the football philosophy in place.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58354182
Only won 14 games out of 50 in charge. That’s just awful.
Lose tomorrow and I reckon he is gone.
Gargamel said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58354182
Only won 14 games out of 50 in charge. That’s just awful.
Lose tomorrow and I reckon he is gone.
yepOnly won 14 games out of 50 in charge. That’s just awful.
Lose tomorrow and I reckon he is gone.
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