The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]
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uk66fastback said:
Whatever Maureen likes to think, Woodward holds all the aces, cos he is the bloke who can sack him (or certainly instigate that procedure). Managers (head coaches) are here today, gone tomorrow now - at ANY club, not just everyone else but you because you had Sir Alex for 25 years ... they're hired, and fired (and nicely compensated).
No-one is going to build 'a dynasty' ... least of all Maureen. Those days have gone. You gave Moyes the chance to and sacked him within a season.
A DoF determines with the owners presumably, what the style of play is, and brings in a head coach who plays in that style and with him they decide what players fit that style. Then the head coach 'coaches them' more - you know, like coaches do (ie to get better at what they do).
Maureen is not that man. Woodward may not be a football man but he was right to question why you needed another 1-2 centre backs when he had already bought two already. Sell them before you buy the better ones then ... no, you can't, cos they're on such huge wages.
You're a victim of you (former) success in many ways.
Do you really think Maureen is worried about being sacked and being paid off and moving onto the next big 3 year job?No-one is going to build 'a dynasty' ... least of all Maureen. Those days have gone. You gave Moyes the chance to and sacked him within a season.
A DoF determines with the owners presumably, what the style of play is, and brings in a head coach who plays in that style and with him they decide what players fit that style. Then the head coach 'coaches them' more - you know, like coaches do (ie to get better at what they do).
Maureen is not that man. Woodward may not be a football man but he was right to question why you needed another 1-2 centre backs when he had already bought two already. Sell them before you buy the better ones then ... no, you can't, cos they're on such huge wages.
You're a victim of you (former) success in many ways.
Quite the contrary, Woodward is under pressure with Maureen and the team not performing.
GTO-3R said:
Gary Neville would be an ideal Dof in my opinion. Knows the club, knows football and understands business.
Doubt it will happen though and there's probably conflict of interests when/if Salford come in to the football league.
Good call actually. I know he fDoubt it will happen though and there's probably conflict of interests when/if Salford come in to the football league.
ked up trying to manage but he's got vast experience and knows the club and supporters thoughts intimately. He's also proving himself in business too.I'm glad Carrick has been retained also on the coaching side.
GTO-3R said:
Gary Neville would be an ideal Dof in my opinion. Knows the club, knows football and understands business.
Doubt it will happen though and there's probably conflict of interests when/if Salford come in to the football league.
You wouldn't blame him not to come near top level football again really; TV job is nailed on unless a Boy Scout backs onto him, and he has experienced the lows with Valencia! Doubt it will happen though and there's probably conflict of interests when/if Salford come in to the football league.
200Plus Club said:
Good call actually. I know he fked up trying to manage but he's got vast experience and knows the club and supporters thoughts intimately. He's also proving himself in business too.
I'm glad Carrick has been retained also on the coaching side.
That would be a disaster. He’s not a great businessman, he nearly bankrupted himself during his playing career by trusting a former friend a bit too much with their building projects. He’s too young to be a DoF, I doubt he knows the agents that well and had trouble managing players, so signing them could / would be a challenge. ked up trying to manage but he's got vast experience and knows the club and supporters thoughts intimately. He's also proving himself in business too.I'm glad Carrick has been retained also on the coaching side.
We don’t need a DoF, we need a man manager, a coach, a leader, call it what you will, but that’s the problem currently, not someone who twice a year negotiates contracts with a player’s agent. We do need someone with an ability to build a non-playing team around them too to spot talent and help to bring it to United. You know like a decent scouting system. This needs to happen at all ages.
We go on about our youth system, but honestly, it’s not great. Rashford, Lingard and McTominay (almost) are the first youth players to make it more than a couple of seasons without being sold / perma-loaned elsewhere.
If we need anything we need some development work with Woodward. Despite being promoted 5 years ago, he is still doing his old commercial job and continues to struggle with the football side. He needs to replace his old role with someone who is as capable as he was and get sorted on the football side, or step aside. That would negate the need for an unnecessary and IMO destabilising influence that a DoF would bring.
GTO-3R said:
Gary Neville would be an ideal Dof in my opinion. Knows the club, knows football and understands business.
Doubt it will happen though and there's probably conflict of interests when/if Salford come in to the football league.
I'm not sure the qualities he has necessarily means he's good at spotting talent and potential.Doubt it will happen though and there's probably conflict of interests when/if Salford come in to the football league.
Gavia said:
That would be a disaster. He’s not a great businessman, he nearly bankrupted himself during his playing career by trusting a former friend a bit too much with their building projects. He’s too young to be a DoF, I doubt he knows the agents that well and had trouble managing players, so signing them could / would be a challenge.
We don’t need a DoF, we need a man manager, a coach, a leader, call it what you will, but that’s the problem currently, not someone who twice a year negotiates contracts with a player’s agent. We do need someone with an ability to build a non-playing team around them too to spot talent and help to bring it to United. You know like a decent scouting system. This needs to happen at all ages.
We go on about our youth system, but honestly, it’s not great. Rashford, Lingard and McTominay (almost) are the first youth players to make it more than a couple of seasons without being sold / perma-loaned elsewhere.
If we need anything we need some development work with Woodward. Despite being promoted 5 years ago, he is still doing his old commercial job and continues to struggle with the football side. He needs to replace his old role with someone who is as capable as he was and get sorted on the football side, or step aside. That would negate the need for an unnecessary and IMO destabilising influence that a DoF would bring.
Without Woodward, Mourinho of old might have been that man - brave or ballsy enough to tell the board what he wants, as opposed to trying to convince the middle man who knows plenty about business but cock all about football. Too many cooks and all that.....We don’t need a DoF, we need a man manager, a coach, a leader, call it what you will, but that’s the problem currently, not someone who twice a year negotiates contracts with a player’s agent. We do need someone with an ability to build a non-playing team around them too to spot talent and help to bring it to United. You know like a decent scouting system. This needs to happen at all ages.
We go on about our youth system, but honestly, it’s not great. Rashford, Lingard and McTominay (almost) are the first youth players to make it more than a couple of seasons without being sold / perma-loaned elsewhere.
If we need anything we need some development work with Woodward. Despite being promoted 5 years ago, he is still doing his old commercial job and continues to struggle with the football side. He needs to replace his old role with someone who is as capable as he was and get sorted on the football side, or step aside. That would negate the need for an unnecessary and IMO destabilising influence that a DoF would bring.
Alpinestars said:
uk66fastback said:
Whatever Maureen likes to think, Woodward holds all the aces, cos he is the bloke who can sack him (or certainly instigate that procedure). Managers (head coaches) are here today, gone tomorrow now - at ANY club, not just everyone else but you because you had Sir Alex for 25 years ... they're hired, and fired (and nicely compensated).
No-one is going to build 'a dynasty' ... least of all Maureen. Those days have gone. You gave Moyes the chance to and sacked him within a season.
A DoF determines with the owners presumably, what the style of play is, and brings in a head coach who plays in that style and with him they decide what players fit that style. Then the head coach 'coaches them' more - you know, like coaches do (ie to get better at what they do).
Maureen is not that man. Woodward may not be a football man but he was right to question why you needed another 1-2 centre backs when he had already bought two already. Sell them before you buy the better ones then ... no, you can't, cos they're on such huge wages.
You're a victim of you (former) success in many ways.
Do you really think Maureen is worried about being sacked and being paid off and moving onto the next big 3 year job?No-one is going to build 'a dynasty' ... least of all Maureen. Those days have gone. You gave Moyes the chance to and sacked him within a season.
A DoF determines with the owners presumably, what the style of play is, and brings in a head coach who plays in that style and with him they decide what players fit that style. Then the head coach 'coaches them' more - you know, like coaches do (ie to get better at what they do).
Maureen is not that man. Woodward may not be a football man but he was right to question why you needed another 1-2 centre backs when he had already bought two already. Sell them before you buy the better ones then ... no, you can't, cos they're on such huge wages.
You're a victim of you (former) success in many ways.
Quite the contrary, Woodward is under pressure with Maureen and the team not performing.
Anywhere else is a downward step surely? He's done at the big clubs now. Portugal manager is about the only thing he can do, surely. Maybe some other close-to-the-top Italian team, but they better have some money ... and be willing to give it to him.
uk66fastback said:
Alpinestars said:
uk66fastback said:
Whatever Maureen likes to think, Woodward holds all the aces, cos he is the bloke who can sack him (or certainly instigate that procedure). Managers (head coaches) are here today, gone tomorrow now - at ANY club, not just everyone else but you because you had Sir Alex for 25 years ... they're hired, and fired (and nicely compensated).
No-one is going to build 'a dynasty' ... least of all Maureen. Those days have gone. You gave Moyes the chance to and sacked him within a season.
A DoF determines with the owners presumably, what the style of play is, and brings in a head coach who plays in that style and with him they decide what players fit that style. Then the head coach 'coaches them' more - you know, like coaches do (ie to get better at what they do).
Maureen is not that man. Woodward may not be a football man but he was right to question why you needed another 1-2 centre backs when he had already bought two already. Sell them before you buy the better ones then ... no, you can't, cos they're on such huge wages.
You're a victim of you (former) success in many ways.
Do you really think Maureen is worried about being sacked and being paid off and moving onto the next big 3 year job?No-one is going to build 'a dynasty' ... least of all Maureen. Those days have gone. You gave Moyes the chance to and sacked him within a season.
A DoF determines with the owners presumably, what the style of play is, and brings in a head coach who plays in that style and with him they decide what players fit that style. Then the head coach 'coaches them' more - you know, like coaches do (ie to get better at what they do).
Maureen is not that man. Woodward may not be a football man but he was right to question why you needed another 1-2 centre backs when he had already bought two already. Sell them before you buy the better ones then ... no, you can't, cos they're on such huge wages.
You're a victim of you (former) success in many ways.
Quite the contrary, Woodward is under pressure with Maureen and the team not performing.
Anywhere else is a downward step surely? He's done at the big clubs now. Portugal manager is about the only thing he can do, surely. Maybe some other close-to-the-top Italian team, but they better have some money ... and be willing to give it to him.
He could try Paris for example. He’s short term compared to Woodward. Woody is the CEO, ie, a long term role. Maureen has never done long term. He has made his excuses, so can make a “dignified” exit.
Fittster said:
So how come his CV is so littered with trophies?
He hasn’t always been a bad coach / manager. He was once special and found a new way to play football that took a long time for others to circumvent. He’s struggling to reinvent himself. In time someone will find a way to stop Pep’s style of football. The challenge will be whether he can reinvent himself. Mourinho is struggling to do that.
Gavia said:
In time someone will find a way to stop Pep’s style of football. The challenge will be whether he can reinvent himself. Mourinho is struggling to do that.
Pep's style has evolved over the years... tiki taka at Barca has evolved in to a much more direct style, with faster, longer, forward passes.Jose's style also seems to have evolved - his 1st Chelsea side were much more attacking than how United are playing today... though this could be down to personnel available.
Zoon said:
Gavia said:
In time someone will find a way to stop Pep’s style of football.
Can't they ask the Wigan manager?Concentrating on Pep could be short sighted and allow clubs to be overtaken by everyone else.
ORD said:
Over the moon is putting it a bit high. The other sides in that competition would almost all finish mid-table in the PL.
Exactly, until Mourinho realised he might not make CL by way of league position he had no interest in the competition. It was a means to an end, albeit a shiny trophy shaped one.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff