The Official Euro 2020 thread....

[Challo]

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[towser44]

That's why we need 4 right backs lol

[The Hypno-Toad]

Impressive: Grealish, Saka

Steady: Trippier, Trent,

Poor: Rice, Calvert-Lewin, Godfrey, Kane

Still worried about Pickford.

Looks like Trent might be in serious trouble there. With the number of right backs he has already picked, Lingard in after all? Ward-Prowse?

[Challo]

You would have to take another centre mid. If Henderson is doubtful your leaving yourself paper thin in centre mid

[GloverMart]

The Hypno-Toad said:

Impressive: Grealish, Saka

Steady: Trippier, Trent,

Poor: Rice, Calvert-Lewin, Godfrey, Kane

Still worried about Pickford.

Looks like Trent might be in serious trouble there. With the number of right backs he has already picked, Lingard in after all? Ward-Prowse?

Should be JWP for me. His ability at corners and free kicks is arguably the best in the Premier League; we had a couple of FK's tonight that came to nothing. He rarely wastes one, is steady on the ball and is experienced with over 320 games now.

[Brave Fart]

Challo said:

You would have to take another centre mid. If Henderson is doubtful your leaving yourself paper thin in centre mid

Agreed.
Looking at the centre midfield options:

• Henderson - not played for months, it's an extraordinary risk taking him; Southgate just said he (Hendo) was uncomfortable this morning and had to be scanned
• Rice - only recently returned from injury, missed some training this week, Southgate just said
• Phillips - also had a slight niggle recently, and Leeds play a completely different way to England
• Bellingham - promising player, but he's very inexperienced

And yet we have a Premier League captain who's played every game for Southampton, fully fit, lethal at set pieces (which we'll need since Trent looks like he's out) not in the squad? Makes no sense.

[dxbtiger]

MiniMan64 said:

England aren’t exactly overflowing with other options..

Ben White.

I don't understand the approach to this game at all, Southgate is off his head.

[48k]

BadBull said:

48k said:

I just don't understand how he can pick players who either haven't been playing due to injury, or haven't been playing well. It's not just about coming back from injury and being fit enough to play, it's about being match sharp and in form. Henderson, McGuire, TAA and Sterling shouldn't be anywhere near the final squad.

None of those apply to TAA.

[Sycamore]

I think at one point last night we had 5 of the 11 players on the pitch who aren't even going to the actual tournament.

Godfrey, White, Lingard, JWP, Watkins.

A warm up game for the Euros, so best approach it by playing everyone who was dropped from the preliminary squad

[BadBull]

48k said:

BadBull said:

48k said:

I just don't understand how he can pick players who either haven't been playing due to injury, or haven't been playing well. It's not just about coming back from injury and being fit enough to play, it's about being match sharp and in form. Henderson, McGuire, TAA and Sterling shouldn't be anywhere near the final squad.

None of those apply to TAA.

He hadn't been coming back from injury and he'd been playing fantastically in Liverpools run in.

[anonymous-user]

Sycamore said:

I think at one point last night we had 5 of the 11 players on the pitch who aren't even going to the actual tournament.

Godfrey, White, Lingard, JWP, Watkins.

A warm up game for the Euros, so best approach it by playing everyone who was dropped from the preliminary squad

I thought I must have seen the wrong squad list when this lot got on the pitch. Is it like the Under 11s, everyone has to have a game? Clueless!

[Pommy]

BadBull said:

48k said:

BadBull said:

48k said:

I just don't understand how he can pick players who either haven't been playing due to injury, or haven't been playing well. It's not just about coming back from injury and being fit enough to play, it's about being match sharp and in form. Henderson, McGuire, TAA and Sterling shouldn't be anywhere near the final squad.

None of those apply to TAA.

He hadn't been coming back from injury and he'd been playing fantastically in Liverpools run in.

This.

Poor 1st half of season. TAA of old the 2nd.

[48k]

BadBull said:

48k said:

BadBull said:

48k said:

I just don't understand how he can pick players who either haven't been playing due to injury, or haven't been playing well. It's not just about coming back from injury and being fit enough to play, it's about being match sharp and in form. Henderson, McGuire, TAA and Sterling shouldn't be anywhere near the final squad.

None of those apply to TAA.

He hadn't been coming back from injury and he'd been playing fantastically in Liverpools run in.

He missed the first international break through injury and was not picked for the World Cup qualifiers in March because, according to Southgate, "I don’t think he’s played at the level he’s been at during the last few years. He’s a big talent and I’m sure he will play a big role for England in the future"

Doesn't sound like "TAA of old" or "playing fantastically " to me.

[GloverMart]

Brave Fart said:

Challo said:

You would have to take another centre mid. If Henderson is doubtful your leaving yourself paper thin in centre mid

Agreed.
Looking at the centre midfield options:

• Henderson - not played for months, it's an extraordinary risk taking him; Southgate just said he (Hendo) was uncomfortable this morning and had to be scanned
• Rice - only recently returned from injury, missed some training this week, Southgate just said
• Phillips - also had a slight niggle recently, and Leeds play a completely different way to England
• Bellingham - promising player, but he's very inexperienced

And yet we have a Premier League captain who's played every game for Southampton, fully fit, lethal at set pieces (which we'll need since Trent looks like he's out) not in the squad? Makes no sense.

A few whispers this morning that Trent is out and that Lingard is the next cab off the rank.

Have already expressed my views on JWP so won't repeat them but one thing I'd say, JWP can play as a DM or an AM if needs be and with Rice's form wobbly, Henderson injured and now Trent (who can play DM as mentioned by Southgate) all struggling, JWP has to be the replacement. While I conceded that Lingard has done well, we have fewer DM's than we do AM's or strikers. Lingard's not going to get in ahead of Grealish, Foden, Mount and probably even Saka & Sterling so why bring him?

[BadBull]

48k said:

He missed the first international break through injury and was not picked for the World Cup qualifiers in March because, according to Southgate, "I don’t think he’s played at the level he’s been at during the last few years. He’s a big talent and I’m sure he will play a big role for England in the future"

Doesn't sound like "TAA of old" or "playing fantastically " to me.

You've obviously read enough to find points to bolster your view. Now, for balance, read about his performances in Liverpools run in. You'll find he was probably our best player and instrumental in us finishing third.

[Challo]

GloverMart said:

Brave Fart said:

Challo said:

You would have to take another centre mid. If Henderson is doubtful your leaving yourself paper thin in centre mid

Agreed.
Looking at the centre midfield options:

• Henderson - not played for months, it's an extraordinary risk taking him; Southgate just said he (Hendo) was uncomfortable this morning and had to be scanned
• Rice - only recently returned from injury, missed some training this week, Southgate just said
• Phillips - also had a slight niggle recently, and Leeds play a completely different way to England
• Bellingham - promising player, but he's very inexperienced

And yet we have a Premier League captain who's played every game for Southampton, fully fit, lethal at set pieces (which we'll need since Trent looks like he's out) not in the squad? Makes no sense.

A few whispers this morning that Trent is out and that Lingard is the next cab off the rank.

Have already expressed my views on JWP so won't repeat them but one thing I'd say, JWP can play as a DM or an AM if needs be and with Rice's form wobbly, Henderson injured and now Trent (who can play DM as mentioned by Southgate) all struggling, JWP has to be the replacement. While I conceded that Lingard has done well, we have fewer DM's than we do AM's or strikers. Lingard's not going to get in ahead of Grealish, Foden, Mount and probably even Saka & Sterling so why bring him?

Yep I agree it has to be JWP that goes. We have tons of attacking options, but light on centre midfielders. If Henderson is not fully fit, you cant expect to progress in the tournament relying on Rice / Phillips for all the games.

[48k]

BadBull said:

48k said:

He missed the first international break through injury and was not picked for the World Cup qualifiers in March because, according to Southgate, "I don’t think he’s played at the level he’s been at during the last few years. He’s a big talent and I’m sure he will play a big role for England in the future"

Doesn't sound like "TAA of old" or "playing fantastically " to me.

You've obviously read enough to find points to bolster your view. Now, for balance, read about his performances in Liverpools run in. You'll find he was probably our best player and instrumental in us finishing third.

Playing well in the last few games of the season doesn't justify a call up IMO, particularly when the squad is already overloaded with RBs.

[aeropilot]

Challo said:

GloverMart said:

Brave Fart said:

Challo said:

You would have to take another centre mid. If Henderson is doubtful your leaving yourself paper thin in centre mid

Agreed.
Looking at the centre midfield options:

• Henderson - not played for months, it's an extraordinary risk taking him; Southgate just said he (Hendo) was uncomfortable this morning and had to be scanned
• Rice - only recently returned from injury, missed some training this week, Southgate just said
• Phillips - also had a slight niggle recently, and Leeds play a completely different way to England
• Bellingham - promising player, but he's very inexperienced

And yet we have a Premier League captain who's played every game for Southampton, fully fit, lethal at set pieces (which we'll need since Trent looks like he's out) not in the squad? Makes no sense.

A few whispers this morning that Trent is out and that Lingard is the next cab off the rank.

Have already expressed my views on JWP so won't repeat them but one thing I'd say, JWP can play as a DM or an AM if needs be and with Rice's form wobbly, Henderson injured and now Trent (who can play DM as mentioned by Southgate) all struggling, JWP has to be the replacement. While I conceded that Lingard has done well, we have fewer DM's than we do AM's or strikers. Lingard's not going to get in ahead of Grealish, Foden, Mount and probably even Saka & Sterling so why bring him?

Yep I agree it has to be JWP that goes. We have tons of attacking options, but light on centre midfielders. If Henderson is not fully fit, you cant expect to progress in the tournament relying on Rice / Phillips for all the games.

Which is why Ward-Prowse won't get picked.......its the FA and Southgate after all, so logic and common sense go out the window.

[BadBull]

48k said:

BadBull said:

48k said:

He missed the first international break through injury and was not picked for the World Cup qualifiers in March because, according to Southgate, "I don’t think he’s played at the level he’s been at during the last few years. He’s a big talent and I’m sure he will play a big role for England in the future"

Doesn't sound like "TAA of old" or "playing fantastically " to me.

You've obviously read enough to find points to bolster your view. Now, for balance, read about his performances in Liverpools run in. You'll find he was probably our best player and instrumental in us finishing third.

Playing well in the last few games of the season doesn't justify a call up IMO, particularly when the squad is already overloaded with RBs.

Few games? You clearly didn't watch him play. It was a lot more than the last few games. And it's disingenuous to try and move the goalposts by mentioning other players. Your point was about coming back from injury and form only, and you are wrong with regard to TAA on those points.

But you won't change your opinion despite two people who watched him play (unlike yourself) saying he was genuinely excellent (regular MOM performances) so further debate is fruitless.

It's moot anyway. He's injured now so your wish has been granted and he won't 'be anywhere near the squad'.

I'm looking forward to the start of the tournament.

[Brave Fart]

aeropilot said:

Which is why Ward-Prowse won't get picked.......its the FA and Southgate after all, so logic and common sense go out the window.

You're probably right, I'm afraid. Which means the spine of the team we'll likely have includes:
Goalkeeper - Pickford; hardly inspired confidence last night. Do 'keepers never catch crosses any more?
Centre backs - crocked Maguire and error prone Stones, or perhaps makeshift Walker. Hmmmm.
Centre mids - currently injured Henderson, recently injured Rice, Phillips, and novice Bellingham. Great.
Centre forward - Kane. Or perhaps a completely off-form Rashford? Oh and someone tell Kane he's not a midfielder!

Can't say I'm feeling too optimistic right now.