The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
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Cupramax said:
Team announced, Mustafi and Luiz in defence, but he’s got Chambers and Kolasinac on too so we might just see Mustafi playing rightback where he was pretty decent previously I seem to remember.
i missed the game completely as i had to keep the other half happy.a clean sheet is a clean sheet.
in other news my arsenal kit arrived, a zip up top and a yang third strip.
both are an upgrade over the previous kit in terms of quality. well done adidas.
Allyc85 said:
I don't want to get in the "Emery out" camp. But it all still feels like guesswork when it comes to line ups/tactics.
nothing to do with the manager.can’t expect to win points in this league giving away two goal head starts at home, against relegation fodder.
will be back at the end to pass judgment, it’s been painful to watch so far.
Carl_Manchester said:
Nothing to do with the manager.
Are you high? The positioning of the defenders and midfield and the method of play are huge reasons for our poor performances, how is the manager not to blame for this?
That big fat corrupt
Allardyce can make a functioning defence out of okay-ish players in a struggling team in a matter of weeks. Emery has had more than a year with defenders who are of better quality than what Allardyce normally has to deal with. Why are we still making silly rushed mistakes, why are we still out of position all the time? What exactly has he been doing, because it sure looks like he hasn't been doing much actual coaching. Happy for the win today of course, but it's papering over cracks. This was another dismal performance. United always make an effort for us, the game next week is not going to be easy.
leglessAlex said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Nothing to do with the manager.
Are you high? The positioning of the defenders and midfield and the method of play are huge reasons for our poor performances, how is the manager not to blame for this?
k. Man Utd, Chelsea and Spurs all have issues this season....we really cannot afford to f
k up what looks to be a decent chance of getting back into the CL.leglessAlex said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Nothing to do with the manager.
Are you high? The positioning of the defenders and midfield and the method of play are huge reasons for our poor performances, how is the manager not to blame for this?
That big fat corrupt
Allardyce can make a functioning defence out of okay-ish players in a struggling team in a matter of weeks. Emery has had more than a year with defenders who are of better quality than what Allardyce normally has to deal with. Why are we still making silly rushed mistakes, why are we still out of position all the time? What exactly has he been doing, because it sure looks like he hasn't been doing much actual coaching. The reliance on Yang to bail out constant poor team performances to get a result, is all that is stopping us being mid-table last season, and mid-table this.
It's only because others around us are also having similar issues that we're flattering to deceive.
leglessAlex said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Nothing to do with the manager.
Are you high? The positioning of the defenders and midfield and the method of play are huge reasons for our poor performances, how is the manager not to blame for this?
That big fat corrupt
Allardyce can make a functioning defence out of okay-ish players in a struggling team in a matter of weeks. Emery has had more than a year with defenders who are of better quality than what Allardyce normally has to deal with. Why are we still making silly rushed mistakes, why are we still out of position all the time? What exactly has he been doing, because it sure looks like he hasn't been doing much actual coaching. Happy for the win today of course, but it's papering over cracks. This was another dismal performance. United always make an effort for us, the game next week is not going to be easy.
At 31 and 32 respectively, if Sokratis and Luiz, both multi-millionaire defenders of international level, can’t position themselves properly then it’s the players fault, not the manager or coaching staff.
Hence, neither of them should be playing for Arsenal and i hope they find new homes elsewhere at the end of the season.
Swapping the manager right now will have zero impact on our seasons success, if we manage to get a decent set of defenders and the goals still pour into our next then yes, i would be asking questions of the coaching staff.
A new manager will not be able to suddenly flick a switch in Luiz and Sokratis heads which allows them to, overnight, know how to position themselves.
They are both, at this point, for all intents and purposes a liability to the Arsenal first team. The manager is not a liability.
I did catch a bit of MNF analysis the other day and they did show the spine of great champions and how you have experience and quality there - the spine is something we lack massively, and that doesn't enable us to pay youth around it to develop them.
Who is to blame for us but getting a spine together is another question, and is the reason manure, Chelsea and us are struggling - the spine players are just not available (or have been snaffled up by Liverpool and Mancity)
Who is to blame for us but getting a spine together is another question, and is the reason manure, Chelsea and us are struggling - the spine players are just not available (or have been snaffled up by Liverpool and Mancity)
Carl_Manchester said:
A new manager will not be able to suddenly flick a switch in Luiz and Sokratis heads which allows them to, overnight, know how to position themselves.
They are both, at this point, for all intents and purposes a liability to the Arsenal first team. The manager is not a liability.
But why buy Luiz in the first place? Everyone knew he was a liability. They are both, at this point, for all intents and purposes a liability to the Arsenal first team. The manager is not a liability.
Carl_Manchester said:
if a defender is a seasoned international (26, 31, 32 years old) you can’t affect their positioning decisions as a coach, they either know where to place themselves or they don’t.
At 31 and 32 respectively, if Sokratis and Luiz, both multi-millionaire defenders of international level, can’t position themselves properly then it’s the players fault, not the manager or coaching staff.
Hence, neither of them should be playing for Arsenal and i hope they find new homes elsewhere at the end of the season.
It’s not about teaching seasoned international players how to position themselves individually it is about drilling the team so they know how to play together in whichever system the manager prescribes. That’s obviously not about the defence as four individuals it’s about how deep those defenders play, how much width they play with as a four, how close the midfield plays with them, how much the wide midfield players support the full backs by tracking back etc etc.At 31 and 32 respectively, if Sokratis and Luiz, both multi-millionaire defenders of international level, can’t position themselves properly then it’s the players fault, not the manager or coaching staff.
Hence, neither of them should be playing for Arsenal and i hope they find new homes elsewhere at the end of the season.
Luiz has conceded two penalties in five games with Arsenal...he conceded four in 170 games with Chelsea.
Emery seems to want us as a team to play very deep defensively....the penalty Luiz conceded last weekend on the edge of the box was after the whole back four backed off as the Watford player advanced...Luiz had nowhere to go when he eventually made that tackle.
Carl_Manchester said:
if a defender is a seasoned international (26, 31, 32 years old) you can’t affect their positioning decisions as a coach, they either know where to place themselves or they don’t.
At 31 and 32 respectively, if Sokratis and Luiz, both multi-millionaire defenders of international level, can’t position themselves properly then it’s the players fault, not the manager or coaching staff.
Hence, neither of them should be playing for Arsenal and i hope they find new homes elsewhere at the end of the season.
Swapping the manager right now will have zero impact on our seasons success, if we manage to get a decent set of defenders and the goals still pour into our next then yes, i would be asking questions of the coaching staff.
A new manager will not be able to suddenly flick a switch in Luiz and Sokratis heads which allows them to, overnight, know how to position themselves.
They are both, at this point, for all intents and purposes a liability to the Arsenal first team. The manager is not a liability.
I don't agree, at all. Early 30s is not too late to learn things. Not even slightly. As players, they should be used to following the advice of the various coaches they have played under. Do you think that a coach will look at them and say "Oh well you clearly know how and where to play because you're an older player, away you go."? No, of course not.At 31 and 32 respectively, if Sokratis and Luiz, both multi-millionaire defenders of international level, can’t position themselves properly then it’s the players fault, not the manager or coaching staff.
Hence, neither of them should be playing for Arsenal and i hope they find new homes elsewhere at the end of the season.
Swapping the manager right now will have zero impact on our seasons success, if we manage to get a decent set of defenders and the goals still pour into our next then yes, i would be asking questions of the coaching staff.
A new manager will not be able to suddenly flick a switch in Luiz and Sokratis heads which allows them to, overnight, know how to position themselves.
They are both, at this point, for all intents and purposes a liability to the Arsenal first team. The manager is not a liability.
Sill, if you want to make excuses for that, fine. Your call.
Why is Torreira playing further up the pitch when he was doing such a good job as a deep lying DM early last season? Why does Xhaka repeatedly get played no matter how bad his performances? Why does Luiz repeatedly start when he's given away penalties? Yes, we have injury problems, but why not put Chambers, or (normally god forbid) even Mustafi in there?
Why were we playing out from the back against Watford when it had become obvious that's a bad idea after the Liverpool game? When we do go long, why is it we so often only have one person up there with no support? Sure, they might get the ball, but it's almost impossible for them to keep it.
I agree, we have personnel issues. I don't expect this squad to be beating Liverpool or City. But we've drawn to Spurs at home, Watford away and we were lucky to get all three points against Villa in our own house.
I don't know how you can say Emery needs more time or different players. He should be doing a better job with what he has. He's a coach, and I've seen very little evidence of coaching.
I really, really hope this is just a blip. I really hope that with Bellerin, Holding and Tierney in the squad things settle down and we put in a good few consistent performances at home and away from home. I really want to believe that Emery can actually take the squad further than where it is now.
Incidentally, did you ever look up Emery's league positions with Sevilla? Sure, he did good in the Europa League, but.....
Sorry lads it just feels like an excuse for armchair football managers to moan about the gaffer all season, it’s a disease of the game.
just like under wenger whilst we are parked in 3rd or 4th spot with a team with no chance of holding 1st or 2nd.
once we are parked in 7th spot i will get out the hatchet myself but i can’t go through the whole season moaning like a west ham supporter, it is not in my football DNA.
regarding next game it will be interesting to see the younger blood given another chance against Forest.
just like under wenger whilst we are parked in 3rd or 4th spot with a team with no chance of holding 1st or 2nd.
once we are parked in 7th spot i will get out the hatchet myself but i can’t go through the whole season moaning like a west ham supporter, it is not in my football DNA.
regarding next game it will be interesting to see the younger blood given another chance against Forest.
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