The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 8]
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type-r said:
One other thing, since I am on a roll, is that BR firmly believes in bringing in young, inexperienced players that have potential. Yes in theory that sounds nice and it makes him feel good when those talents bear fruit - maybe one or two will develop into real world class talents but for the 1 or 2 that do, 4 or 5 will remain average at best and will drag the team down and results down. He said during the window he didn't believe in bringing in £40m stars and whilst that is nice for the owners pockets, I think as is the case of Chelsea this year and Arsenal to some extent, a couple of proven talents that will help bring up and support the inexperience and youth around in the team.
It's not that simple though. For every £40m player brought in from abroad that has worked there's a £40m player that hasn't. I honestly think we'd still be having these problems if we'd signed Sanchez in the summer.BlackST said:
I'd say our season is resting on Sturridge's shoulders because we don't have another striker who looks like he can score every game.
I don't think our problems are just a lack of a striker. Remember in Suarez' first season when some didn't think he could play the striker role? We were generally playing quite well, dominating teams, loads of possession and chances - just no one to convert those chances! This is different - we're not really dominating, we're not really doing anything, anywhere on the pitch.I think BR has abandoned the fast paced, high pressing, quick counter style of last season, mainly because at the end of last season every club had worked out how to nullify it (even when we had both Sturridge and Suarez). We came up against teams that would just sit back, crowd out the space and then hit us on the counter. The problem is he hasn't yet found another style to replace it with!
The only plus point I could find from last night was BR and Gerrard both came out and said we were very poor and didn't deserve anything from the game.
Everyone else was average at best, although I thought Mignolet had a decent game for once - apart from palming the ball out straight for their goal, but he did well to get on it in the first place.
Our 2 centre halves were facing away from the ball for their goal. Both of them. More intent on blocking off the oppo than clearing the ball. WTF is all that about?!!
Sterling was woeful. Granted he can't perform every game at his age but he controlled the ball like a nervous deer last night.
When Lambert came on he seemed to become invisible. I would love him to succeed but I've not seen anything from him yet. Balotelli falls over far too often and doesn't track back. We have no-one who seems able to do anything in the oppo penalty area under pressure.
That was as poor a performance from us as I've seen in a long time.
Everyone else was average at best, although I thought Mignolet had a decent game for once - apart from palming the ball out straight for their goal, but he did well to get on it in the first place.
Our 2 centre halves were facing away from the ball for their goal. Both of them. More intent on blocking off the oppo than clearing the ball. WTF is all that about?!!
Sterling was woeful. Granted he can't perform every game at his age but he controlled the ball like a nervous deer last night.
When Lambert came on he seemed to become invisible. I would love him to succeed but I've not seen anything from him yet. Balotelli falls over far too often and doesn't track back. We have no-one who seems able to do anything in the oppo penalty area under pressure.
That was as poor a performance from us as I've seen in a long time.
sterling must he shattered, all the games he has played lately. Would like to see him and Stevie rested on sat, Mario on the bench and start with Lambert/Borini up front - it really cannot be any worse than yesterday
Sometimes other players play better when Stevie is not playing, perhaps they are in awe of him (or something like that...) but it may do them good for him to be rested.
Sometimes other players play better when Stevie is not playing, perhaps they are in awe of him (or something like that...) but it may do them good for him to be rested.
Were only 3 or 4 points off 4th, quite a few none teams above us we still have a chance. I would get a defensive coach (whats Steve Clark up to) and would love Bren to say as much. Its like at work when you have a boss who hasn't got a clue but tries to bulls
t the guys who actually do have a clue - painful.
I am at San Carlo Saturday will have a word (!)
t the guys who actually do have a clue - painful.I am at San Carlo Saturday will have a word (!)
4th is still theoretically on however we are looking mid-table at best at the moment. We would need to make big strides to make 4th again this year. Borini is a better fit for us up front than Balotelli is, being much more mobile and fitting in with our style of play. I'd play him. We obviously massively miss Studge.
Very disappointed we sold Agger and kept Skrtel, bad decision. Skrtel is a liability and just mauls everyone. Thing is, 3 out of 4 of our defence are new, are we trying to get them all in too quickly? How is Cafu - injured? When is he back?
Very disappointed we sold Agger and kept Skrtel, bad decision. Skrtel is a liability and just mauls everyone. Thing is, 3 out of 4 of our defence are new, are we trying to get them all in too quickly? How is Cafu - injured? When is he back?
I agreed with Rogers playing Enrique last night, less flair and add some solidity to the back line. He then goes and wrecks that plan by playing "technical" Coutinho and Markovic who were easily brushed aside by the Basle midfield. Once again Balotelli comes in for criticism when in reality a lone starting Sturidge would have been just as isolated. Two strikers must start.
Gerrard anonymous and ineffective once again. There is a good side in there somewhere. Its a pity Rodgers refuses to pick it.
Gerrard anonymous and ineffective once again. There is a good side in there somewhere. Its a pity Rodgers refuses to pick it.
That side is obvious. It doesn't include Gerrard as a deep lying quarter back. Nor does it include playing Balotelli as a lone striker or having Marcovic anywhere near the starting 11. Just look what Lampard is doing at City. Its obvious that Gerrard is better used for 60 minutes or as an impact player in the attacking midfield role.
We need to tighten up at the back and strengthen our midfield. We need to go 4231. Team for me at the weekend, with all of our fit players has got to be
Mignolet
Man Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Henderson Lucas
Sturridge Lallana Sterling
Balotelli
It would be criminal to start with Gerrard again.
If everyone was fit I'd ditch Skrtel and play Sakho and also Lucas and play Cann, Johnson/Flanagan would also come back in. Gerrard if played would be where Lallana is. At the very least we'll stop conceding goals with the ease we are doing now.
The standout player of all our summer signings has been Moreno. Hopefully we still sign Valdes and Mignolet is moved on. Sorry but he isn't going to improve in all the areas we need him to.
Come on BR, 4231 and drop (rest) Gerrard and give up on this stupid quarter back nonsense. Its not working.
We need to tighten up at the back and strengthen our midfield. We need to go 4231. Team for me at the weekend, with all of our fit players has got to be
Mignolet
Man Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Henderson Lucas
Sturridge Lallana Sterling
Balotelli
It would be criminal to start with Gerrard again.
If everyone was fit I'd ditch Skrtel and play Sakho and also Lucas and play Cann, Johnson/Flanagan would also come back in. Gerrard if played would be where Lallana is. At the very least we'll stop conceding goals with the ease we are doing now.
The standout player of all our summer signings has been Moreno. Hopefully we still sign Valdes and Mignolet is moved on. Sorry but he isn't going to improve in all the areas we need him to.
Come on BR, 4231 and drop (rest) Gerrard and give up on this stupid quarter back nonsense. Its not working.
RedTrident said:
That side is obvious. It doesn't include Gerrard as a deep lying quarter back. Nor does it include playing Balotelli as a lone striker or having Marcovic anywhere near the starting 11. Just look what Lampard is doing at City. Its obvious that Gerrard is better used for 60 minutes or as an impact player in the attacking midfield role.
We need to tighten up at the back and strengthen our midfield. We need to go 4231. Team for me at the weekend, with all of our fit players has got to be
Mignolet
Man Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Henderson Lucas
Sturridge Lallana Sterling
Balotelli
It would be criminal to start with Gerrard again.
If everyone was fit I'd ditch Skrtel and play Sakho and also Lucas and play Cann, Johnson/Flanagan would also come back in. Gerrard if played would be where Lallana is. At the very least we'll stop conceding goals with the ease we are doing now.
The standout player of all our summer signings has been Moreno. Hopefully we still sign Valdes and Mignolet is moved on. Sorry but he isn't going to improve in all the areas we need him to.
Come on BR, 4231 and drop (rest) Gerrard and give up on this stupid quarter back nonsense. Its not working.
Not disagreeing with much of that. But I'd keep Mignolet this season - having him and Valdes vying for top spot would only help the team I think.We need to tighten up at the back and strengthen our midfield. We need to go 4231. Team for me at the weekend, with all of our fit players has got to be
Mignolet
Man Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Henderson Lucas
Sturridge Lallana Sterling
Balotelli
It would be criminal to start with Gerrard again.
If everyone was fit I'd ditch Skrtel and play Sakho and also Lucas and play Cann, Johnson/Flanagan would also come back in. Gerrard if played would be where Lallana is. At the very least we'll stop conceding goals with the ease we are doing now.
The standout player of all our summer signings has been Moreno. Hopefully we still sign Valdes and Mignolet is moved on. Sorry but he isn't going to improve in all the areas we need him to.
Come on BR, 4231 and drop (rest) Gerrard and give up on this stupid quarter back nonsense. Its not working.
jammy_basturd said:
On a serious note would you not play 4231? And yes even I'd be tempted to play Borini where I've put Sturridge and put Sturridge where Mario is.
I don't think Mario is running enough. Nor do I think its actually in him to play the way that perhaps we'd like.
No, I do agree. Balotelli (at least the way he's playing at the moment) should be a Plan B type of person. Someone we bring on in the second half with strict orders to stay in and around the area and then we do whatever it takes to get the ball to him.
I can't say a particular formation because for me it really depends on the opposition. Would I play 4231 against West Ham? Probably not, I think I'd go with two up front, Balo being one of them, maybe Lambert partnering him with Sterling or Gerrard in the whole. Have Henderson, Lallana and Can as the midfield three to stop any counters and instruct Manquillo and Moreno to bomb up the wing to get crosses into the box for Balo and Lambert to get on to.
For a 4321, I'd probably use against a team like City, Arsenal or Utd, where I'd expect there to be a bit more space over the field and for things to be a bit more of an even battle.
I can't say a particular formation because for me it really depends on the opposition. Would I play 4231 against West Ham? Probably not, I think I'd go with two up front, Balo being one of them, maybe Lambert partnering him with Sterling or Gerrard in the whole. Have Henderson, Lallana and Can as the midfield three to stop any counters and instruct Manquillo and Moreno to bomb up the wing to get crosses into the box for Balo and Lambert to get on to.
For a 4321, I'd probably use against a team like City, Arsenal or Utd, where I'd expect there to be a bit more space over the field and for things to be a bit more of an even battle.
Mignolet
Man Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Henderson Lucas
Sturridge Lallana Sterling
Balotelli
Subtly overlooked Joe Allen there RT. He would start ahead of Lucas every time as would Emre Can. Rodgers will not drop Gerrard in which case both Allen and Henderson are needed to cover the defensive inadequacies.
Man Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Henderson Lucas
Sturridge Lallana Sterling
Balotelli
Subtly overlooked Joe Allen there RT. He would start ahead of Lucas every time as would Emre Can. Rodgers will not drop Gerrard in which case both Allen and Henderson are needed to cover the defensive inadequacies.
ras62 said:
Mignolet
Man Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Henderson Lucas
Sturridge Lallana Sterling
Balotelli
Subtly overlooked Joe Allen there RT. He would start ahead of Lucas every time as would Emre Can. Rodgers will not drop Gerrard in which case both Allen and Henderson are needed to cover the defensive inadequacies.
He's not fit though is he? Neither is Can. And as long as BR continues to play Gerrard regardless and in his quarter back position we'll continue to lose more than we win.Man Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Henderson Lucas
Sturridge Lallana Sterling
Balotelli
Subtly overlooked Joe Allen there RT. He would start ahead of Lucas every time as would Emre Can. Rodgers will not drop Gerrard in which case both Allen and Henderson are needed to cover the defensive inadequacies.
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