The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 12]
Discussion
RedTrident said:
This thread is predictable. When things aren't going well for the Roy/Dalglish/Rodgers/FSG rose tints, then the ridiculous is attempted to be passed off as the alternative. Even if nothing else tactically changed.
-VvD would be an improvement over Lovren
- Keita play in midfield than any of the 3 that started yesterday and we'd be more explosive
I agree with your last two comments and think many if not all would too, they are pretty bloody obvious.-VvD would be an improvement over Lovren
- Keita play in midfield than any of the 3 that started yesterday and we'd be more explosive
I have no idea what they have to do with the first comments though. Please ecplain
I always said this was the transfer window i would judge FSG word on and we will see.
As for the defence, Carragher was right, its a shambles, and much of that sterms from organisation. I agree that putting VVD in there would help but i doubt would solve all the issues. Hours on the training ground might
As for the defence, Carragher was right, its a shambles, and much of that sterms from organisation. I agree that putting VVD in there would help but i doubt would solve all the issues. Hours on the training ground might
NRS said:
Since you're an expert then what are the differences between the way we are defending between Klopp and Rodgers? Should be easy to point out given one is a fraud and the other a great manager?
Not that I post on here a lot, I've found if anyone asks a genuine question towards RT where they are showing he's contradicted himself, they will get ignored. Personally I don't see a great deal of difference between how Klopp and Rodgers set their defense up. In normal play, both their tactics leave our CB's exposed, which is somewhat understandable when the mentality is focused on attacking. We could get VVD, but if we keep playing the open, expansive football, even he won't make much of a difference. Defending set pieces is a closed skill however and really should've been addressed over pre-season.By the way I do think RT has 'some' good points, it's just the constant blaming FSG for everything and his posting style which gets a few peoples backs up. For example as RT has mentioned, whilst Robertson might show promise, is he really an upgrade on what we already have, or are we buying mediocre from a relegated team on the cheap to try and fill a gap? City and Arsenal have both brought in full backs which immediately strengthen their first 11. We were desperate for someone, but started Moreno at the weekend, a player which most fans want(ed) out.
I think what's most frustrating is the majority of fans saw last season as a big step towards future success, however we seem to have not capitalised on this and not addressed the same issues we had at the end of last season.
Flip Martian said:
How does buying VvD help? Southampton are the only team worse than us for conceding goals from set plays!
OK. How does keeping the players that we have help? Are we reinventing football once more and now believe that we can keep the same players and succeed whilst every other team around us has strengthened?
revrange said:
He was injured for a long period of last season so that stat might not be accurate, his stats while playing were very good
Fair point - but as T3ELLIOTT says above - until we stop playing in a way that leaves CBs exposed, this will keep happening. 1 player will not make a difference. Having defenders willing to attack the ball will, of course, so if he can do that, then maybe that's s start...I do agree with Redknapp's analysis about not having leaders at the back. Whether we mark zonally or not, or whether it is to blame (or not) - we simply do not have a leader or leaders at the back to direct who should be picking up who and generally organising the back four.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/tran...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/tran...
It's the set pieces in the first instance. That has nothing to do with leaving the centre backs exposed. It's to do with leadership. A commanding centre back that can marshall the defence. Carraghar you'd hear from the other side of the stadium. Sammi also did it in a different way.
Once you've got that sorted you can look at the exposed centre backs, because our full backs push on. But look at the Watford goals, that's not why we conceded. In any case when our full backs do push forward, we need a more explosive central midfielder that can drop back. Henderson isn't that player.
Klopp is doing the best he can with the players he has inherited. The only new first 11 defender he has brought in is Matip on a free. The know new central midfielder he has is Wijnaldum.
It's bloody obvious why he identified VvD and Keita. It's up to the people in charge of transfers to push these over the line or identify quality alternatives that can do the same job. Neither has taken place.
Once you've got that sorted you can look at the exposed centre backs, because our full backs push on. But look at the Watford goals, that's not why we conceded. In any case when our full backs do push forward, we need a more explosive central midfielder that can drop back. Henderson isn't that player.
Klopp is doing the best he can with the players he has inherited. The only new first 11 defender he has brought in is Matip on a free. The know new central midfielder he has is Wijnaldum.
It's bloody obvious why he identified VvD and Keita. It's up to the people in charge of transfers to push these over the line or identify quality alternatives that can do the same job. Neither has taken place.
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