The Official Arsenal - 12 x FA Cup Winners - Thread [Vol 3]
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Cupramax said:
Did anyone see it on the web? Sky were saying a supporter came on the pitch sidelines and stood in front of Wenger giving him verbal until Bould stepped in. Dont know if it was a Saints fan or one of ours. Sounds like it could have been a lot worse again from Sky and Merse was lost for words again at just how s
t we were
Wenger is bringing the abuse on himself, I have no sympathy for him at all.t we wereChanging the subject (mostly because I don't want to think about that Southampton result again), but I recently watched a re-run of the Sky Sports greatest Premier League XI. It made me think what a great spine we had when we were at the top of our game contesting for trophies on ALL fronts. Of the final XI chosen Adams (CB), Viera (DCM), Henry (ST) & Bergkamp (ST) all made the final cut with Seaman coming second behind Schmeichel. My point is, look where we are now in these positions....Szczesny, nowhere near Seaman's level.... Mertesacker, comparable to Tony Adams but lacks the leadership and is past his best, as for CM (defensive at least) well that is just a joke, a million miles away. Similar story for the strikers, whilst Giroud and Welbeck are solid Premier league strikers they just cannot be compared to Henry and Bergkamp. Sanchez is our only shining light this season and the only one who can hold a candle to these greats.....
Cupramax said:
Did anyone see it on the web? Sky were saying a supporter came on the pitch sidelines and stood in front of Wenger giving him verbal until Bould stepped in. Dont know if it was a Saints fan or one of ours.
Just saw it on The Times app/subscription service. Can't tell whether it was a Gooner or not but unlikely it was a Gooner from the official seating area as he would have had to run along the sideline. Bould's "stepping in" consisted of him gesticulating at said supporter to shift it....he didn't even stand up. And yes it could have been a lot worse...Kozzer's back pass that resulted in Debuchy heading off the line was as bad as Scezzer's howlers. Kozzer was also awful for the first goal and equally as culpable as Scezzer.
Alfahorn said:
Mertesacker isn't fit to lace Adams boots.
A little harsh...I did say that he lacks the leadership of Adams and is now past his best but you can't argue with over 100 caps for Germany and a world cup winner!! Adams always had a competent partner alongside him too who would put the boot in when needed - Bould and Keown.stu1984 said:
Alfahorn said:
Mertesacker isn't fit to lace Adams boots.
A little harsh...I did say that he lacks the leadership of Adams and is now past his best but you can't argue with over 100 caps for Germany and a world cup winner!! Adams always had a competent partner alongside him too who would put the boot in when needed - Bould and Keown.He looks absolutely f
ked but then so would you if you'd had an 11 month season, came back with virtually no preparation and had to play every minute of every game. Cheib said:
stu1984 said:
Alfahorn said:
Mertesacker isn't fit to lace Adams boots.
A little harsh...I did say that he lacks the leadership of Adams and is now past his best but you can't argue with over 100 caps for Germany and a world cup winner!! Adams always had a competent partner alongside him too who would put the boot in when needed - Bould and Keown.He looks absolutely f
ked but then so would you if you'd had an 11 month season, came back with virtually no preparation and had to play every minute of every game. stu1984 said:
Alfahorn said:
Mertesacker isn't fit to lace Adams boots.
A little harsh...I did say that he lacks the leadership of Adams and is now past his best but you can't argue with over 100 caps for Germany and a world cup winner!! Adams always had a competent partner alongside him too who would put the boot in when needed - Bould and Keown.Because if you seriously believe the two are even remotely comparable then I doubt you saw Adams. What Mertesacker has done for Germany is totally irrelevant.
Adams played for over 20 years for the club. He won 4 league titles, 4 FA Cups, 2 league cups and captained the side for about 14 years. He lack place but he was a leader and a fighter, of late Mertesacker has shown himself to be a coward frankly.
Alfahorn said:
Did you actually see Adams play?
Because if you seriously believe the two are even remotely comparable then I doubt you saw Adams. What Mertesacker has done for Germany is totally irrelevant.
Adams played for over 20 years for the club. He won 4 league titles, 4 FA Cups, 2 league cups and captained the side for about 14 years. He lack place but he was a leader and a fighter, of late Mertesacker has shown himself to be a coward frankly.
I don't see how international accolades are irrelevant when comparing the merits of a centre back?? Admittedly this season he has been a shadow of his normal self, however he was instrumental to us being at/near the top of the PL tree this time last season. It is simply not fair to use only this seasons performances as a yard stick particularly as Cheib above mentions he had no preseason and has been expected to play 90 mins of almost every game thus far this season. I will admit the use of the word 'comparable' may be putting him in a little too higher regard, but to say he is not fit to tie Adam's boot laces is just ridiculous.Because if you seriously believe the two are even remotely comparable then I doubt you saw Adams. What Mertesacker has done for Germany is totally irrelevant.
Adams played for over 20 years for the club. He won 4 league titles, 4 FA Cups, 2 league cups and captained the side for about 14 years. He lack place but he was a leader and a fighter, of late Mertesacker has shown himself to be a coward frankly.
stu1984 said:
I don't see how international accolades are irrelevant when comparing the merits of a centre back?? Admittedly this season he has been a shadow of his normal self, however he was instrumental to us being at/near the top of the PL tree this time last season. It is simply not fair to use only this seasons performances as a yard stick particularly as Cheib above mentions he had no preseason and has been expected to play 90 mins of almost every game thus far this season. I will admit the use of the word 'comparable' may be putting him in a little too higher regard, but to say he is not fit to tie Adam's boot laces is just ridiculous.
This is a message board about Arsenal. So what I'm interested in is what these respective players have done for Arsenal. That's why international achievements re irrelevant, Mertesacker is a good centre half not a great centre half.Tony Adams would drag the Arsenal team up by the scruff of the neck when the chips were done. He was an outstanding competitor, an inspirational leader and ambassador for Arsenal. If you were to select an all time Arsenal XI then Adams would be in that side, he'd be the leader. Mertesacker wouldn't even get on the bench.
Further more, in all the years I watched Adams (I must have seen him play over 200 times in person) I can never recall him shirking a challenge or ducking out of the way of a cross. I don't recall him leaving his team mates high and dry like Mertesacker has done in recent weeks most notably at Stoke.
So, not it's not a ridiculous comment about Mertesacker not being fit to lace Adams boots. What is ridiculous is to even consider them in any way comparable.
Alfahorn said:
This is a message board about Arsenal. So what I'm interested in is what these respective players have done for Arsenal. That's why international achievements re irrelevant, Mertesacker is a good centre half not a great centre half.
Tony Adams would drag the Arsenal team up by the scruff of the neck when the chips were done. He was an outstanding competitor, an inspirational leader and ambassador for Arsenal. If you were to select an all time Arsenal XI then Adams would be in that side, he'd be the leader. Mertesacker wouldn't even get on the bench.
Further more, in all the years I watched Adams (I must have seen him play over 200 times in person) I can never recall him shirking a challenge or ducking out of the way of a cross. I don't recall him leaving his team mates high and dry like Mertesacker has done in recent weeks most notably at Stoke.
So, not it's not a ridiculous comment about Mertesacker not being fit to lace Adams boots. What is ridiculous is to even consider them in any way comparable.
Fair enough. You make some valid points there regarding Arsenal achievements/stature, no-one can doubt Adam's supremecy there. I just felt that it was a little disrespectful to a consummate professional to make such a statement on his general defensive ability when he has achieved what he has in the game.Tony Adams would drag the Arsenal team up by the scruff of the neck when the chips were done. He was an outstanding competitor, an inspirational leader and ambassador for Arsenal. If you were to select an all time Arsenal XI then Adams would be in that side, he'd be the leader. Mertesacker wouldn't even get on the bench.
Further more, in all the years I watched Adams (I must have seen him play over 200 times in person) I can never recall him shirking a challenge or ducking out of the way of a cross. I don't recall him leaving his team mates high and dry like Mertesacker has done in recent weeks most notably at Stoke.
So, not it's not a ridiculous comment about Mertesacker not being fit to lace Adams boots. What is ridiculous is to even consider them in any way comparable.
stu1984 said:
Alfahorn said:
This is a message board about Arsenal. So what I'm interested in is what these respective players have done for Arsenal. That's why international achievements re irrelevant, Mertesacker is a good centre half not a great centre half.
Tony Adams would drag the Arsenal team up by the scruff of the neck when the chips were done. He was an outstanding competitor, an inspirational leader and ambassador for Arsenal. If you were to select an all time Arsenal XI then Adams would be in that side, he'd be the leader. Mertesacker wouldn't even get on the bench.
Further more, in all the years I watched Adams (I must have seen him play over 200 times in person) I can never recall him shirking a challenge or ducking out of the way of a cross. I don't recall him leaving his team mates high and dry like Mertesacker has done in recent weeks most notably at Stoke.
So, not it's not a ridiculous comment about Mertesacker not being fit to lace Adams boots. What is ridiculous is to even consider them in any way comparable.
Fair enough. You make some valid points there regarding Arsenal achievements/stature, no-one can doubt Adam's supremecy there. I just felt that it was a little disrespectful to a consummate professional to make such a statement on his general defensive ability when he has achieved what he has in the game.Tony Adams would drag the Arsenal team up by the scruff of the neck when the chips were done. He was an outstanding competitor, an inspirational leader and ambassador for Arsenal. If you were to select an all time Arsenal XI then Adams would be in that side, he'd be the leader. Mertesacker wouldn't even get on the bench.
Further more, in all the years I watched Adams (I must have seen him play over 200 times in person) I can never recall him shirking a challenge or ducking out of the way of a cross. I don't recall him leaving his team mates high and dry like Mertesacker has done in recent weeks most notably at Stoke.
So, not it's not a ridiculous comment about Mertesacker not being fit to lace Adams boots. What is ridiculous is to even consider them in any way comparable.
Unfortunately none of this back four are a patch on the famous back four that Wenger inherited or the one he built that became part of PL history...Lauren/Campbell/Toure/Cole and of course Keown who was part of both era's!
On ability the likes of Keown and Lauren weren't outstanding players but they were such great competitors unlike this current lot. I love that quote from Freddie "anyone that kicked me knew they'd be getting some treatment from Lauren".
Tony Adams was/is the best English CB/captain to have ever graced the game.
BFG is a quality CB on his day, and I see elements of TA in his game, but he's not on par with him. It's unfortunate the any half decent CB at Arsenal gets compared with TA. It's not fair...they broke the mould when they created TA.
As said, the guy is probably knackered after WC etc.
His international caps do have a relevance. You don't play 100 times for Germany if you are st. Other nations maybe, not Germany.
BFG is a quality CB on his day, and I see elements of TA in his game, but he's not on par with him. It's unfortunate the any half decent CB at Arsenal gets compared with TA. It's not fair...they broke the mould when they created TA.
As said, the guy is probably knackered after WC etc.
His international caps do have a relevance. You don't play 100 times for Germany if you are s
t. Other nations maybe, not Germany. Edited by Ben Jk on Friday 2nd January 09:49
Alfahorn said:
Black can man said:
Any updates from angry Claude today ?
Usual. He's mad and Ty is deluded. http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/wake-up-and-smel...
mickk said:
Alfahorn said:
Black can man said:
Any updates from angry Claude today ?
Usual. He's mad and Ty is deluded. http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/wake-up-and-smel...
k but he's also right.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff