The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
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kane was excellent last night especially in the second half drawing fouls and releiving a bit of pressure.
i thought we over played from the back and the distribution is a worry we should have mixed it up a bit and hoofed it down the park on occasion.
it will also give JP a massive boost as he has been quiet.
i think we have enough to beat sweden but we do need to improve
i thought we over played from the back and the distribution is a worry we should have mixed it up a bit and hoofed it down the park on occasion.
it will also give JP a massive boost as he has been quiet.
i think we have enough to beat sweden but we do need to improve
TwigtheWonderkid said:
GloverMart said:
Brave Fart said:
I'm surprised at the negativity about tonight's game from so many posters. England were by far the superior team and the result was the right one. It was never going to be a football classic - because Colombia were a whinging bunch of cheats who played for a draw until the last few minutes, and because the ref had no effing clue how to control their antics. We were denied a clear penalty for a wrestle on Kane (although we did get another one, true) and they should have been down to ten men - how can VAR see a head butt and recommend a yellow card??!!
Those saying Henderson had a poor game -wtf? Him, Maguire, Kane and Trippier were excellent.
Weak spots - Eric Dier, redeemed by a great winning penalty, but that apart he was awful, and Sterling, utterly useless AGAIN!!
Oh, and if you think England are poor you want to watch Sweden - they were s
te this afternoon in a dreadful game against the equally woeful Swiss.
Gareth, listen mate. Drop Sterling for Rashford, let the lads have some beers, and keep doing what you're doing. Football's coming home!
This x 1,000. Excellent post. Those saying Henderson had a poor game -wtf? Him, Maguire, Kane and Trippier were excellent.
Weak spots - Eric Dier, redeemed by a great winning penalty, but that apart he was awful, and Sterling, utterly useless AGAIN!!
Oh, and if you think England are poor you want to watch Sweden - they were s
te this afternoon in a dreadful game against the equally woeful Swiss.Gareth, listen mate. Drop Sterling for Rashford, let the lads have some beers, and keep doing what you're doing. Football's coming home!
I'd maybe change that statement to say "Let the players relax today, have a bit of downtime etc, they deserve it".
Loving this by the way....not at all original but it's better than all the Titanic music guff.
https://twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/10144242...
https://twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell/status/10144242...
Jordan210 said:
Im amazed at the amount of Colombia fans thinking they got cheated by the ref.
Must have been watching a different game to everyone else.
To be fair the media has completely ignored the calls that went England's way. Must have been watching a different game to everyone else.
The play should never have been stopped when Young threw the ball into play and Colombia had a goal disallowed. There was only one ball on the park and no reason to stop the game.
Two dives for penalties that could have seen Lingard sent off for a second yellow for his. The dives were completely overlooked and the fact Maguire quickly apologised after he realised how bad his dive was makes little odds. The intent was there.
There was also quite a few dirty challenges and niggles by England players that weren't even mentioned.
There was a big deal about the guy headbutting Henderson, but nothing said when he did the same. The argument the fact both were yellows could balance that up.
England took some, but they dished it out too. A little more under the radar than the Colombians who antics make them look worse.
Jordan210 said:
Im amazed at the amount of Colombia fans thinking they got cheated by the ref.
Must have been watching a different game to everyone else.
They were just watching the same game but coming at it from a totally different football culture. Bending the rules to breaking point is seen as completely normal in Colombian football, indeed to be expected and admired. Headbutting an opponent off the ball and out of sight of the officials is nothing to be ashamed of, in fact it's a badge of honour. If that's been your football upbringing since you could walk, to suddenly find VAR takes a dim view on it must come as a bit of a shock. Must have been watching a different game to everyone else.
Scuffing up the pen spot before the kick is taken, actually even I'm secretly quite impressed with that. If Kane had missed the pen, that defender would have been a national hero.
Driver101 said:
To be fair the media has completely ignored the calls that went England's way.
The play should never have been stopped when Young threw the ball into play and Colombia had a goal disallowed. There was only one ball on the park and no reason to stop the game.
Two dives for penalties that could have seen Lingard sent off for a second yellow for his. The dives were completely overlooked and the fact Maguire quickly apologised after he realised how bad his dive was makes little odds. The intent was there.
There was also quite a few dirty challenges and niggles by England players that weren't even mentioned.
There was a big deal about the guy headbutting Henderson, but nothing said when he did the same. The argument the fact both were yellows could balance that up.
England took some, but they dished it out too. A little more under the radar than the Colombians who antics make then look worse.
They started it...The play should never have been stopped when Young threw the ball into play and Colombia had a goal disallowed. There was only one ball on the park and no reason to stop the game.
Two dives for penalties that could have seen Lingard sent off for a second yellow for his. The dives were completely overlooked and the fact Maguire quickly apologised after he realised how bad his dive was makes little odds. The intent was there.
There was also quite a few dirty challenges and niggles by England players that weren't even mentioned.
There was a big deal about the guy headbutting Henderson, but nothing said when he did the same. The argument the fact both were yellows could balance that up.
England took some, but they dished it out too. A little more under the radar than the Colombians who antics make then look worse.
Driver101 said:
The play should never have been stopped when Young threw the ball into play and Colombia had a goal disallowed. There was only one ball on the park and no reason to stop the game.
The ref had already blown before the ball was put in the net so can't claim that goal (thankfully) .Munter said:
I'm new to this football malarky. The new lady is keen on it, so I'm settling in to watch the England games.
I'm enjoying what seems to be the 5 or 6 minutes of quality football that happens in each half. But the shear amount of cheating in every game, trying to intimidate the ref, moving the ball when the ref's not looking, etc. I don't get it. How have the people who run the sport let it get so bad. It's madness. It's no wonder there are press stories about the struggle to find officials for grass roots football if people think that kind of behaviour is acceptable.
Rules I'd implement:
Deliberately touching the Ref = Red Card, plus additional 2 match ban
Intimidating behaviour or language towards the Ref = Red Card
More than one player talking to the ref from a single team = yellow cards for all involved
Inappropriate activity caught by VAR out of sight of the ref (e.g. digging up the penalty spot) = fans excluded from next 2 games & not broadcast live in that nation (give it a 50 min delay).
Minor infractions that don't deserve a yellow (e.g. moving the ball forward before taking a free kick/rubbing out temporary marks, probably spotted by VAR) = 5 min "sin bin".
As a relative outsider players are taking the piss out of the rule book and need to stomped on harder than they think is possible.
Absolutely agree with the sentiment. To see sI'm enjoying what seems to be the 5 or 6 minutes of quality football that happens in each half. But the shear amount of cheating in every game, trying to intimidate the ref, moving the ball when the ref's not looking, etc. I don't get it. How have the people who run the sport let it get so bad. It's madness. It's no wonder there are press stories about the struggle to find officials for grass roots football if people think that kind of behaviour is acceptable.
Rules I'd implement:
Deliberately touching the Ref = Red Card, plus additional 2 match ban
Intimidating behaviour or language towards the Ref = Red Card
More than one player talking to the ref from a single team = yellow cards for all involved
Inappropriate activity caught by VAR out of sight of the ref (e.g. digging up the penalty spot) = fans excluded from next 2 games & not broadcast live in that nation (give it a 50 min delay).
Minor infractions that don't deserve a yellow (e.g. moving the ball forward before taking a free kick/rubbing out temporary marks, probably spotted by VAR) = 5 min "sin bin".
As a relative outsider players are taking the piss out of the rule book and need to stomped on harder than they think is possible.
t like this at the pinnacle of the sport is a joke. Antics that will be replicated at every level of the game. I'd like to see a Nigel Owens level of control and mutual respect. It's a long way back from where the game is now.I doubt FIFA will address it. Bring in VAR to spot issues. Spot an issue which is a red card situation and give a yellow.
I don't think I've ever seen opposition players deliberately scuffing up the pitch before so that was quite a moment.
Christ theres some crap being spouted on here, we won! on penalties!!
The two Harry's were just brilliant! Kane is just so impressive as a leader and footballer forget the fact that he was playing left back center mid and right wing at times the most impressive moment was the pen, everyone was losing there heads on both sides he just picked the ball up took himself away and got himself focused. He really is the man!
The two Harry's were just brilliant! Kane is just so impressive as a leader and footballer forget the fact that he was playing left back center mid and right wing at times the most impressive moment was the pen, everyone was losing there heads on both sides he just picked the ball up took himself away and got himself focused. He really is the man!
ferrisbueller said:
I doubt FIFA will address it. Bring in VAR to spot issues. Spot an issue which is a red card situation and give a yellow.
What is becoming clear is that the problem with referees is not what they see and what they don't see - some top referees clearly don't know the rules. FIFA has a serious issue on its hands if their top referees, with the benefit of video and slow mo can't get things right.We rarely see the TMO in rugby getting the rules wrong. Very rarely.
What is slowly unraveling is the level of officiating is poor because these referees believe they are always right - not because they are missing things.
Munter, since you're new to watching football, you won't have seen a ref such as Piereluigi Collina. He was a proper official and would never have put up with a fraction of the nonsense from Colombia last night. The match official last night was from the USA and clearly the occasion was too much him.
Collina is actually overseeing the refereeing at this World Cup so hopefully they'll address shocking behaviour such as Colombia's in future. Someone else talked about Maguire and Lingard diving - I disagree, the former was a loss of balance and the latter was arguably a penalty. If Colombia were a ten on the naughtiness scale, we were a 2 at most.
Final point - injuries.....looked to me like Ashley Young was struggling, Dele Alli clearly isn't fit, and Vardy is injured I believe. Actually this is good, because we can bring in Rose, Loftus-Cheek and Welbeck who are as good if not better players.
Lovely weather, England in the quarters, and we don't even have to put up with "come on Andy" shouts at Wimbledon. Life is good!
Collina is actually overseeing the refereeing at this World Cup so hopefully they'll address shocking behaviour such as Colombia's in future. Someone else talked about Maguire and Lingard diving - I disagree, the former was a loss of balance and the latter was arguably a penalty. If Colombia were a ten on the naughtiness scale, we were a 2 at most.
Final point - injuries.....looked to me like Ashley Young was struggling, Dele Alli clearly isn't fit, and Vardy is injured I believe. Actually this is good, because we can bring in Rose, Loftus-Cheek and Welbeck who are as good if not better players.
Lovely weather, England in the quarters, and we don't even have to put up with "come on Andy" shouts at Wimbledon. Life is good!
Jinx said:
Driver101 said:
The play should never have been stopped when Young threw the ball into play and Colombia had a goal disallowed. There was only one ball on the park and no reason to stop the game.
The ref had already blown before the ball was put in the net so can't claim that goal (thankfully) .Every team would be rightly furious if that happened to them.
Puggit said:
ferrisbueller said:
I doubt FIFA will address it. Bring in VAR to spot issues. Spot an issue which is a red card situation and give a yellow.
What is becoming clear is that the problem with referees is not what they see and what they don't see - some top referees clearly don't know the rules. FIFA has a serious issue on its hands if their top referees, with the benefit of video and slow mo can't get things right.We rarely see the TMO in rugby getting the rules wrong. Very rarely.
What is slowly unraveling is the level of officiating is poor because these referees believe they are always right - not because they are missing things.
There doesn't seem to be an appetite to act on it though.
Ascayman said:
Kane is just so impressive as a leader and footballer forget the fact that he was playing left back center mid and right wing at times the most impressive moment was the pen, everyone was losing there heads on both sides he just picked the ball up took himself away and got himself focused.
It's worrying, though, that we really don't have a reliable second striker. Rashford was poor when he started, better impact sub. Vardy is rarely the player who won the Premier League title. Sterling...I cannot fathom why he is playing at all. Wellbeck?Vardy being injured is brilliant news for England. Nobody could be worse for high-level international football. He prevents any kind of passing game in the final third. Even Welbeck would be vastly better, but Rashford is the obvious replacement. None of them would start for me, though.
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