The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
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Driver101 said:
To be fair the media has completely ignored the calls that went England's way.
The play should never have been stopped when Young threw the ball into play and Colombia had a goal disallowed. There was only one ball on the park and no reason to stop the game.
Two dives for penalties that could have seen Lingard sent off for a second yellow for his. The dives were completely overlooked and the fact Maguire quickly apologised after he realised how bad his dive was makes little odds. The intent was there.
There was also quite a few dirty challenges and niggles by England players that weren't even mentioned.
There was a big deal about the guy headbutting Henderson, but nothing said when he did the same. The argument the fact both were yellows could balance that up.
England took some, but they dished it out too. A little more under the radar than the Colombians who antics make them look worse.
The reason why the play was stopped luckily. Was due to the linesman sorry assistant ref not following the game and also paying attention to the second ball. We got a bit lucky with that.The play should never have been stopped when Young threw the ball into play and Colombia had a goal disallowed. There was only one ball on the park and no reason to stop the game.
Two dives for penalties that could have seen Lingard sent off for a second yellow for his. The dives were completely overlooked and the fact Maguire quickly apologised after he realised how bad his dive was makes little odds. The intent was there.
There was also quite a few dirty challenges and niggles by England players that weren't even mentioned.
There was a big deal about the guy headbutting Henderson, but nothing said when he did the same. The argument the fact both were yellows could balance that up.
England took some, but they dished it out too. A little more under the radar than the Colombians who antics make them look worse.
The ref lost the game early on by letting the Colombians constantly get in his face. They could have easily racked up 5+ yellows at the penalty.
Driver101 said:
Jinx said:
Driver101 said:
The play should never have been stopped when Young threw the ball into play and Colombia had a goal disallowed. There was only one ball on the park and no reason to stop the game.
The ref had already blown before the ball was put in the net so can't claim that goal (thankfully) .Every team would be rightly furious if that happened to them.
The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
London424 said:
A second ball was on the pitch. It got kicked off as the throw was going to happen, but was going to come back onto the pitch off the hoarding.
The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
What Maquire was expecting has nothing to do with it. The ball didn't come back in to play and Young had restarted play from the correct position. The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
Brave Fart said:
Munter, since you're new to watching football, you won't have seen a ref such as Piereluigi Collina. He was a proper official and would never have put up with a fraction of the nonsense from Colombia last night. The match official last night was from the USA and clearly the occasion was too much him.
Collina is actually overseeing the refereeing at this World Cup so hopefully they'll address shocking behaviour such as Colombia's in future. Someone else talked about Maguire and Lingard diving - I disagree, the former was a loss of balance and the latter was arguably a penalty. If Colombia were a ten on the naughtiness scale, we were a 2 at most.
Final point - injuries.....looked to me like Ashley Young was struggling, Dele Alli clearly isn't fit, and Vardy is injured I believe. Actually this is good, because we can bring in Rose, Loftus-Cheek and Welbeck who are as good if not better players.
Lovely weather, England in the quarters, and we don't even have to put up with "come on Andy" shouts at Wimbledon. Life is good!
Collina was the best. He made the odd mistake, but on the whole he really controlled a match. He seemed to understand the psyche of a footballer, what they thought and how they reacted - it allowed him to think ahead and be prepared for events almost before they happened. Top man.Collina is actually overseeing the refereeing at this World Cup so hopefully they'll address shocking behaviour such as Colombia's in future. Someone else talked about Maguire and Lingard diving - I disagree, the former was a loss of balance and the latter was arguably a penalty. If Colombia were a ten on the naughtiness scale, we were a 2 at most.
Final point - injuries.....looked to me like Ashley Young was struggling, Dele Alli clearly isn't fit, and Vardy is injured I believe. Actually this is good, because we can bring in Rose, Loftus-Cheek and Welbeck who are as good if not better players.
Lovely weather, England in the quarters, and we don't even have to put up with "come on Andy" shouts at Wimbledon. Life is good!
I'm concerned about England's lack of inventiveness with the dead ball. Almost every free kick/corner last night was a long ball to the far post for Maguire. Haven't they planned and practiced an alternative? Nice to see that they had at least practiced penalties.
Vardy is wrong for this squad. He needs accurate long balls over the top for him to run on to - I only saw one last night. No point in selecting him if they don't understand his strengths.
Maguire has been a revelation for me. I'd previously assumed him to be a donkey, but he's got a lot more to his game, and I'd say he was a more organised defender than the other (more expensive) centre backs. Who'll come sniffing at Leicester's door? Plus I thought Young had his best game so far - I still think he shouldn't have been in the squad but he came good last night.
Most arnchair realists reckoned the quarter-finals was the best we could hope for. We're there. Job done, anything else is a bonus.
Wouldn't be England if they didn't put the whole nation through the ringer in every match. Stoppage time equaliser and penalties... I feel at least 5 years older today.
I feel confident about this years team, it doesn't feel like it's more of the same old s
t that we've seen in the past, but there are still things that I'm convinced now are just in England's DNA, like sitting on a 1 goal lead, and questionable final 1/3 composure. We did not look like we would score from the field for most of the game.
The thing that really disappoints me are the suggestions that we ought to playact more "because others do it", like suggesting that we should do likewise to maximise the chances of calls going in our favour, etc. Henderson dropped like he'd been sniped from that head contact, so irrespective of whether it should've been a red anyway (I think it should've been, as it was flagrant) there was still some acting going on. I'd rather see us lose following the rules, than diving everywhere and winning because of deceit.
There were some England dives, and I was very annoyed at the biased commentary on ITV - attempting to legitimise an obvious dive by suggesting that it was "toe to toe contact". The other commentator called him out on it though. It seems everyone involved in football falls down at the slightest contact, including England players. It's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
Am quietly hoping for a more professional match vs Sweden.
I feel confident about this years team, it doesn't feel like it's more of the same old s
t that we've seen in the past, but there are still things that I'm convinced now are just in England's DNA, like sitting on a 1 goal lead, and questionable final 1/3 composure. We did not look like we would score from the field for most of the game.The thing that really disappoints me are the suggestions that we ought to playact more "because others do it", like suggesting that we should do likewise to maximise the chances of calls going in our favour, etc. Henderson dropped like he'd been sniped from that head contact, so irrespective of whether it should've been a red anyway (I think it should've been, as it was flagrant) there was still some acting going on. I'd rather see us lose following the rules, than diving everywhere and winning because of deceit.
There were some England dives, and I was very annoyed at the biased commentary on ITV - attempting to legitimise an obvious dive by suggesting that it was "toe to toe contact". The other commentator called him out on it though. It seems everyone involved in football falls down at the slightest contact, including England players. It's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
Am quietly hoping for a more professional match vs Sweden.
Edited by Durzel on Wednesday 4th July 10:55
nicanary said:
Most arnchair realists reckoned the quarter-finals was the best we could hope for. We're there. Job done, anything else is a bonus.
Yes and no. Before the WC, absolutely. With the way the draw opened up we should now shift our sights to the finals.Winning it versus Brazil or France? <sucks teeth>
Driver101 said:
London424 said:
A second ball was on the pitch. It got kicked off as the throw was going to happen, but was going to come back onto the pitch off the hoarding.
The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
What Maquire was expecting has nothing to do with it. The ball didn't come back in to play and Young had restarted play from the correct position. The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
Driver101 said:
London424 said:
A second ball was on the pitch. It got kicked off as the throw was going to happen, but was going to come back onto the pitch off the hoarding.
The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
What Maquire was expecting has nothing to do with it. The ball didn't come back in to play and Young had restarted play from the correct position. The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
CaptainSlow said:
Driver101 said:
London424 said:
A second ball was on the pitch. It got kicked off as the throw was going to happen, but was going to come back onto the pitch off the hoarding.
The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
What Maquire was expecting has nothing to do with it. The ball didn't come back in to play and Young had restarted play from the correct position. The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
It was England who chose to restart the game.
epom said:
A lot of sore heads this morning ? Sweden look beatable.
On a side note, it really annoys me the Golden Boot winner could be because of 3 or 4 penalties.
I believe the official word is hangingOn a side note, it really annoys me the Golden Boot winner could be because of 3 or 4 penalties.
Not a lot is being achieved this morning, everyone is talking about it, reliving it and making plans for Saturday
My boss has already commandeered the projector for his garden
Driver101 said:
CaptainSlow said:
Driver101 said:
London424 said:
A second ball was on the pitch. It got kicked off as the throw was going to happen, but was going to come back onto the pitch off the hoarding.
The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
What Maquire was expecting has nothing to do with it. The ball didn't come back in to play and Young had restarted play from the correct position. The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
It was England who chose to restart the game.
I can however reference exact rules why we should have been 2-0 up playing against 10 players at this point in the game.
CaptainSlow said:
He quite obviously felt there was a distraction to the players that needed to be addressed before play could continue. I can't reference the exact rule however it does exist.
I can however reference exact rules why we should have been 2-0 up playing against 10 players at this point in the game.
How often are freekicks taken when the other team isn't prepared? I can however reference exact rules why we should have been 2-0 up playing against 10 players at this point in the game.
The same thing has happened in other games where opposing teams have taken advantage of other players waiting on the original ball.
It was Young who chose to throw the ball into play. You can't then call a halt to play as it didn't go your way.
I would be very surprised if there was an actual rule to cover this.
Driver101 said:
CaptainSlow said:
He quite obviously felt there was a distraction to the players that needed to be addressed before play could continue. I can't reference the exact rule however it does exist.
I can however reference exact rules why we should have been 2-0 up playing against 10 players at this point in the game.
How often are freekicks taken when the other team isn't prepared? I can however reference exact rules why we should have been 2-0 up playing against 10 players at this point in the game.
The same thing has happened in other games where opposing teams have taken advantage of other players waiting on the original ball.
It was Young who chose to throw the ball into play. You can't then call a halt to play as it didn't go your way.
I would be very surprised if there was an actual rule to cover this.
Driver101 said:
CaptainSlow said:
He quite obviously felt there was a distraction to the players that needed to be addressed before play could continue. I can't reference the exact rule however it does exist.
I can however reference exact rules why we should have been 2-0 up playing against 10 players at this point in the game.
How often are freekicks taken when the other team isn't prepared? I can however reference exact rules why we should have been 2-0 up playing against 10 players at this point in the game.
The same thing has happened in other games where opposing teams have taken advantage of other players waiting on the original ball.
It was Young who chose to throw the ball into play. You can't then call a halt to play as it didn't go your way.
I would be very surprised if there was an actual rule to cover this.
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