The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]
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RedTrident said:
I've seen Karius play pretty much every game. He's crap.
Origi cost us 2 goals today and missed 2 very good chances.
Neither are good enough for a team that wants to compete. Klopp continues to keep faith on these 2 and we're worse for it.
Mignolet may not be the answer but neither is Karius. Origi is only playing because we've refused to buy a proven striker. No one on their right mind would rely on Sturridge and Ings was never going to get up and running properly this season regardless of his recent setback.
We need a keeper. Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have very good keepers. City don't and I think it shows. Same with us.
We need a striker that can play to our system. Again, Chelsea have one, Arsenal too as do Spurs and even City.
So it's Klopp's fault then?Origi cost us 2 goals today and missed 2 very good chances.
Neither are good enough for a team that wants to compete. Klopp continues to keep faith on these 2 and we're worse for it.
Mignolet may not be the answer but neither is Karius. Origi is only playing because we've refused to buy a proven striker. No one on their right mind would rely on Sturridge and Ings was never going to get up and running properly this season regardless of his recent setback.
We need a keeper. Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have very good keepers. City don't and I think it shows. Same with us.
We need a striker that can play to our system. Again, Chelsea have one, Arsenal too as do Spurs and even City.
Inevitable. In many ways yes.
Karius, a 5 million pound keeper that has at best looked no better than Mignolet who was rightly called out for costing us points. That blunder at the end, did it surprise anyone? Yet he'll no doubt play next game as Mignolet is arguably just as bad. I've never seen a team compete in the league with keepers of the quality that we have.
Lucas, it's not that he's playing centre back, it's that he's first choice centre back cover. Speaks volumes that he gets in ahead of Klavan. But then what do you expect when you buy a centre back that is well in to the prime of his career and costs under 5 million. Is it a surprise that Lucas starts ahead of him?
Lovren, much improved allegedly yet still no better than any mid table centre back. Was very clear that Matip is the reason that Lovren looks better rather than Lovren being the reason why he looks better.
Milner the full back. Admittedly he's been very good but he is not a left back. If Moreno had done that stupid tackle...
Origi, work in progress but finds himself as our no 1 striker. Really should have been hauled off today.
Not enough genuine quality and not enough depth. Hopefully we'll address the centre back and striker issue in January. Though if we really want to keep pace with the other top teams we should also go out and buy a keeper in January. I haven't seen such a poor first choice keeper at Liverpool since, well since ever if I'm honest.
Karius, a 5 million pound keeper that has at best looked no better than Mignolet who was rightly called out for costing us points. That blunder at the end, did it surprise anyone? Yet he'll no doubt play next game as Mignolet is arguably just as bad. I've never seen a team compete in the league with keepers of the quality that we have.
Lucas, it's not that he's playing centre back, it's that he's first choice centre back cover. Speaks volumes that he gets in ahead of Klavan. But then what do you expect when you buy a centre back that is well in to the prime of his career and costs under 5 million. Is it a surprise that Lucas starts ahead of him?
Lovren, much improved allegedly yet still no better than any mid table centre back. Was very clear that Matip is the reason that Lovren looks better rather than Lovren being the reason why he looks better.
Milner the full back. Admittedly he's been very good but he is not a left back. If Moreno had done that stupid tackle...
Origi, work in progress but finds himself as our no 1 striker. Really should have been hauled off today.
Not enough genuine quality and not enough depth. Hopefully we'll address the centre back and striker issue in January. Though if we really want to keep pace with the other top teams we should also go out and buy a keeper in January. I haven't seen such a poor first choice keeper at Liverpool since, well since ever if I'm honest.
desolate said:
So it's Klopp's fault then?
Clearly. Klopp out! No, just over reaction. Karius hasn't settled quickly. How long we give him, I don't know. He did come out with the "I came here to be number 1" crap when he joined which I thought was disrespectful. About time he bloody proved it.
Origi shows signs of having a great finish on him - he makes the difficult look easy. He's clearly not consistent though. Maybe that will come with game time.
I still think with Matip in the side today we would have been more composed at the back.
desolate said:
So it's Klopp's fault then?
Klopp signed Karius and has publicly backed him. Does anyone really think Karius is good enough? A sign of a great manager is also about cutting your loses. I'd not think badly of Klopp if he loaned out Karius in January and we had a better keeper as first choice.Origi should have been subbed at 3-1. We needed to see out the game, not leave that liability on the pitch. So yes that was on Klopp, not particularly just Origi, but our inability to see out a game. But then we don't have that strong central midfielder to bring on to see out a game.
We lack depth in quality. I'm not saying that's Klopp's fault. But it's Klopp's responsibility to identify where we're weak and improve us. Keeper, centre back and striker asap please. Do you disagree that we don't need to strengthen in those 3 positions?
RedTrident said:
Klopp signed Karius and has publicly backed him. Does anyone really think Karius is good enough? A sign of a great manager is also about cutting your loses. I'd not think badly of Klopp if he loaned out Karius in January and we had a better keeper as first choice.
Origi should have been subbed at 3-1. We needed to see out the game, not leave that liability on the pitch. So yes that was on Klopp, not particularly just Origi, but our inability to see out a game. But then we don't have that strong central midfielder to bring on to see out a game.
We lack depth in quality. I'm not saying that's Klopp's fault. But it's Klopp's responsibility to identify where we're weak and improve us. Keeper, centre back and striker asap please. Do you disagree that we don't need to strengthen in those 3 positions?
I find your posts quite extraordinary.Origi should have been subbed at 3-1. We needed to see out the game, not leave that liability on the pitch. So yes that was on Klopp, not particularly just Origi, but our inability to see out a game. But then we don't have that strong central midfielder to bring on to see out a game.
We lack depth in quality. I'm not saying that's Klopp's fault. But it's Klopp's responsibility to identify where we're weak and improve us. Keeper, centre back and striker asap please. Do you disagree that we don't need to strengthen in those 3 positions?
Yep, bloody Klopp's fault. So tactically inept its untrue! Pah!
Seriously RT, having a rant like that is blowing things out proportion somewhat. 2nd loss all season and you come out with all the imagined faults...
Not a fan of Karius yet but Klopp coming out and saying "oops, I bought crap" isn't going to happen until he's been given longer.
Seriously RT, having a rant like that is blowing things out proportion somewhat. 2nd loss all season and you come out with all the imagined faults...
Not a fan of Karius yet but Klopp coming out and saying "oops, I bought crap" isn't going to happen until he's been given longer.
Flip Martian said:
Yep, bloody Klopp's fault. So tactically inept its untrue! Pah!
Seriously RT, having a rant like that is blowing things out proportion somewhat. 2nd loss all season and you come out with all the imagined faults...
Not a fan of Karius yet but Klopp coming out and saying "oops, I bought crap" isn't going to happen until he's been given longer.
Who said Klopp was tactically inept? Seriously RT, having a rant like that is blowing things out proportion somewhat. 2nd loss all season and you come out with all the imagined faults...
Not a fan of Karius yet but Klopp coming out and saying "oops, I bought crap" isn't going to happen until he's been given longer.
Continuing to blindly back Karius. Yes imo that would be inept. What have you seen him do that merits an automatic starting place?
I thought we struggled in centre midfield today if I'm honest, we never reallly bossed it, & most of Bournemouth's chances came through the centre... Just shows how difficult it is to have suitable back up in each position, world/ top class players want to play every game, a few injuries have seen us dip in form quite noticeably.
Agree with Karius, not even as good as Mings IMHO.
Agree with Karius, not even as good as Mings IMHO.
RedTrident said:
Klopp signed Karius and has publicly backed him. Does anyone really think Karius is good enough? A sign of a great manager is also about cutting your loses. I'd not think badly of Klopp if he loaned out Karius in January and we had a better keeper as first choice.
Origi should have been subbed at 3-1. We needed to see out the game, not leave that liability on the pitch. So yes that was on Klopp, not particularly just Origi, but our inability to see out a game. But then we don't have that strong central midfielder to bring on to see out a game.
We lack depth in quality. I'm not saying that's Klopp's fault. But it's Klopp's responsibility to identify where we're weak and improve us. Keeper, centre back and striker asap please. Do you disagree that we don't need to strengthen in those 3 positions?
You call yourself a Liverpool supporter, but you don't even own a pair of 'John lennon' style rose tinted glasses do you? Origi should have been subbed at 3-1. We needed to see out the game, not leave that liability on the pitch. So yes that was on Klopp, not particularly just Origi, but our inability to see out a game. But then we don't have that strong central midfielder to bring on to see out a game.
We lack depth in quality. I'm not saying that's Klopp's fault. But it's Klopp's responsibility to identify where we're weak and improve us. Keeper, centre back and striker asap please. Do you disagree that we don't need to strengthen in those 3 positions?
ljammy-git said:
RedTrident said:
Who said Klopp was tactically inept?
Continuing to blindly back Karius. Yes imo that would be inept. What have you seen him do that merits an automatic starting place?
Of course, players never improve, especially under Klopp.Continuing to blindly back Karius. Yes imo that would be inept. What have you seen him do that merits an automatic starting place?
I honestly don't think we have the luxury of playing a liability as first choice keeper in the hope that he improves.
RedTrident said:
Who said Klopp was tactically inept?
Continuing to blindly back Karius. Yes imo that would be inept. What have you seen him do that merits an automatic starting place?
You're the one that was telling us how Klopp got it wrong and should have taken Origi off at 3-1...Continuing to blindly back Karius. Yes imo that would be inept. What have you seen him do that merits an automatic starting place?
Maybe you should start reading other people's posts - I posted several questioning Karius after the game that makes my position clear, so I don't even need to answer that...
RedTrident said:
He's found his level at Celtic. Klopp I'm certain will learn from today. I fully expect to see Karius and Origi relegated to being squad fillers at best after the January window.
Maybe you should write to him with some of your notes, just in case he misses some of your invaluable insight.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff