The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)

[Chris Stott]

Gordon Hill said:

Haven't you been watching us this season? Players that he's bought, tactics (lack of) that he's implemented, getting played off the park by everybody that we play, shots raining in on our goal, making it up as we go along.
So after 2 full seasons you see this as progress being made?
Pep, Arteta, Klopp had a style of play and philosophy straight away, in 2 years and £400 million quid we have none of these things.

Looking from the outside, I’d have to agree with this.

United have had the same tactical issue all season yet have kept playing the same way. What’s the definition of insanity? Something like ‘doing the same thing and doing expecting different results’?

It’s frustrating for the supporters to see another manager fail, but ETH really does look out of his depth, both on tactics and recruitment

[bstb3]

RoadRunner220 said:

Seems like we need to get Rooney's missus in to teach the club how to find the source of leaks.

Maybe we have. Maybe ETH isn't sacked at all, or about to be, and someone's been done up like a Rebekah.

You never know until it's official.

[LF5335]

I had high hopes for ETH after the majority of the first season. However something happened at half time in that home match with Sevilla and we’ve never recovered since.

[simon800]

Say what you will about him, but no one can deny his ability to break records;

• stolen from Twitter, in case anyone spots some errors

- Manchester United hadn't lost 13 games by Christmas since 1930, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't gone 4 games in a row without scoring since 1992, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost back to back games to West Ham since 2007, until Erik Ten Hag

- No Manchester United manager has conceded 20 goals to Liverpool/City in their first 7 games against them since Alfred Albut in the 1800s, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United had never finished with as few as 5 points in the CL group stages in the competitions history, until Erik Ten Hag

- No English club had ever conceded 15 goals in the CL group stages in the competitions history until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost 4 of 6 CL group games in the competitions history, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never failed to keep a clean sheet in 5 of 6 CL group games in the competitions history, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost 12 of the opening 23 games of the season, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't finished bottom of their CL group since 2006. Until Erik Ten Hag.

- Bournemouth had never won at Old Trafford, Until Erik Ten Hag

- Bournemouth had never scored 3 goals at Old Trafford, until Erik Ten Hag

- Bournemouth had never kept a clean sheet at Old Trafford, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost 7 of the opening 16 PL games, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost back to back league games against Newcastle since 1972, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United hadn't lost 3 games in a row to Newcastle United since 1922, until Erik Ten Hag

- Newcastle hadn't kept 3 clean sheets in a row against Manchester United since 1897, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost 6 of the opening 14 games of a PL season, until Erik Ten Hag

- No English team in CL history had ever conceded 14 goals in the first 5 CL group games, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never conceded 3+ goals in 4 different CL games in a season, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost a CL game they were leading by 2 goals, until Erik Ten Hag, twice since.

- Manchester United hadn't lost a game they were leading by 2+ goals since 2014, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never dropped this many points from a winning position in CL history, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never conceded 4+ in two CL group games, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost 9 of the opening 17 games since 1974, until Erik Ten Hag

- No team had ever give away 4 penalties in their first 4 CL group games in the competitions history, until Erik Ten Hag

- No player as young as Roony Bardghji had scored against Manchester United in the CL, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost 8 of the opening 15 games in a season since 1962, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost 5 of their first 10 games at Old Trafford since 1931, until Erik Ten Hag

- Newcastle hadn't won at Old Trafford since 2013, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Newcastle hadn't won a cup game against Manchester Uniteds since 1994, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United hadn't lost twice in a row to Newcastle since 1972, until Erik Ten Hag

- No post war Manchester United manager had conceded 20 goals to City and Liverpool in their first 6 games against them, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost 5 of the opening 10 league games in 36 years, until Erik Ten Hag

- Galatasaray hadn't won a game on English soil in 117 years of existing, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United had never lost the opening 2 CL group games, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United had never conceded 7 goals in the opening 2 CL group games, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United had never lost an home and away match to Crystal Palace in the Premier League, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United just had their lowest ever finish in the Premier League era, 8th

- Manchester United have conceded 83 goals this season, which is the highest ever in their history

Edited by simon800 on Friday 24th May 16:58

[Challo]

simon800 said:

I agree. It could be McKenna has said no to Chelsea because he's coming to us, and the leak emanated from the Chelsea side for example. It would be dumb of the club to be leaking this themselves though, as you say it looks poor but I suppose in a way maybe it can't be helped if it's not come from them.

Apparently the reporter who broke the story is heavily linked with Chelsea, so as you mention if its true it came from them.

simon800 said:

Say what you will about him, but no one can deny his ability to break records;

- Manchester United hadn't lost 13 games by Christmas since 1930, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't gone 4 games in a row without scoring since 1992, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost back to back games to West Ham since 2007, until Erik Ten Hag

- No Manchester United manager has conceded 20 goals to Liverpool/City in their first 7 games against them since Alfred Albut in the 1800s, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United had never finished with as few as 5 points in the CL group stages in the competitions history, until Erik Ten Hag

- No English club had ever conceded 15 goals in the CL group stages in the competitions history until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost 4 of 6 CL group games in the competitions history, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never failed to keep a clean sheet in 5 of 6 CL group games in the competitions history, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost 12 of the opening 23 games of the season, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't finished bottom of their CL group since 2006. Until Erik Ten Hag.

- Bournemouth had never won at Old Trafford, Until Erik Ten Hag

- Bournemouth had never scored 3 goals at Old Trafford, until Erik Ten Hag

- Bournemouth had never kept a clean sheet at Old Trafford, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost 7 of the opening 16 PL games, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost back to back league games against Newcastle since 1972, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United hadn't lost 3 games in a row to Newcastle United since 1922, until Erik Ten Hag

- Newcastle hadn't kept 3 clean sheets in a row against Manchester United since 1897, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost 6 of the opening 14 games of a PL season, until Erik Ten Hag

- No English team in CL history had ever conceded 14 goals in the first 5 CL group games, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never conceded 3+ goals in 4 different CL games in a season, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never lost a CL game they were leading by 2 goals, until Erik Ten Hag, twice since.

- Manchester United hadn't lost a game they were leading by 2+ goals since 2014, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never dropped this many points from a winning position in CL history, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United had never conceded 4+ in two CL group games, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost 9 of the opening 17 games since 1974, until Erik Ten Hag

- No team had ever give away 4 penalties in their first 4 CL group games in the competitions history, until Erik Ten Hag

- No player as young as Roony Bardghji had scored against Manchester United in the CL, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost 8 of the opening 15 games in a season since 1962, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost 5 of their first 10 games at Old Trafford since 1931, until Erik Ten Hag

- Newcastle hadn't won at Old Trafford since 2013, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Newcastle hadn't won a cup game against Manchester Uniteds since 1994, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United hadn't lost twice in a row to Newcastle since 1972, until Erik Ten Hag

- No post war Manchester United manager had conceded 20 goals to City and Liverpool in their first 6 games against them, until Erik Ten Hag

- Manchester United hadn't lost 5 of the opening 10 league games in 36 years, until Erik Ten Hag

- Galatasaray hadn't won a game on English soil in 117 years of existing, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United had never lost the opening 2 CL group games, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United had never conceded 7 goals in the opening 2 CL group games, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United had never lost an home and away match to Crystal Palace in the Premier League, until Erik Ten Hag.

- Manchester United just had their lowest ever finish in the Premier League era, 8th

- Manchester United have conceded 83 goals this season, which is the highest ever in their history

Jesus christ, you bothered to post all that.

We get it, you dont like ETH.

Lets hope your not McKenna out if we get him and it doesn't go well.

[Gordon Hill]

said:

Yes yes yes but never mind all of that, give him time (and another £800 million) and you'll see, all of a sudden, as if by magic, we'll start to see a pattern of play, and tactics and cohesion, just be patient.

[simon800]

Challo said:

Jesus christ, you bothered to post all that.

We get it, you dont like ETH.

Lets hope your not McKenna out if we get him and it doesn't go well.

I mean it took a nano second to copy and paste it.....

As I mentioned before, I've never met Erik Ten Hag to know if I like him or not. What I copied and pasted simply appears to be some facts, rather than anyone's opinions or personal judgement.

[bstb3]

simon800 said:

Say what you will about him, but no one can deny his ability to break records;

<snip>
- No player as young as Roony Bardghji had scored against Manchester United in the CL, until Erik Ten Hag
<snip>

Edited by simon800 on Friday 24th May 16:58

Whilst it's a bit like Big Ron saying the 5th goal of a 7 goal humping was offside, that one's a bit harsh.

[and31]

franki68 said:

Challo said:

If that is to be the case, the club has made a fking mess of this. Embarrassing to say the least, and i feel sorry for ETH.

Indeed ,whatever one’s opinion on ETH if this is true and has been leaked it’s utterly disgraceful by the club (the leaking of such info)

Absolutely embarrassing.very very poor form from the club to behave this way.
If he’s being sacked then so be it,but like this is just cheap.
On the eve of the fking FA cup final ffs
I will say although the writing has been on the wall for a few weeks at least,I’ve always been in the give him time camp -injuries etc .I wonder how much time his replacement gets?
There was not one single regular poster on this thread that was unhappy when ETH got the job-in fact it was quite the opposite-young progressive manager etc.
I think the job is far too big for McKenna at this moment in time,I’d rather drink my own piss than have Southgate, potter or Thomas Frank.
Touchel is toxic like Jose, it would have to be Poch for me

[and31]

Ineos will do things properly, etc etc-if this news is actually true it makes them look like a proper shower of s

[Daz68]

On RedCafe forum sounds like he was told it was his last game. Still poor that it has been leaked though. I did like the bloke and what he stood for but his record was pretty poor to be honest. I know Alex was given a few years to turn the team around but I don't know if this would have happened with Eric. Players now rule the dressing room not the Manager.

[simon800]

and31 said:

Ineos will do things properly, etc etc-if this news is actually true it makes them look like a proper shower of s

What about if the news didn’t come from them?

[bstb3]

simon800 said:

What about if the news didn’t come from them?

The likelihood is it's either someone in the club (which was leaky as all get go before Ineos) got wind of it and leaked, which while Ineos haven't stopped it you can't really say it's their fault. Equally likely it's come from an agent / connection of someone involved in the discussions with potential replacements and the Guardian et al have put two and two together, the timing was never this but the Poch surprise and turnover in managers around the continent has forced their hand.

There is no benefit to Ineos of doing it like this, so I doubt they did it (at least not intentionally). Outside chance Dan Ashworth emailed someone about it I guess.

[simon800]

bstb3 said:

Outside chance Dan Ashworth emailed someone about it I guess.

[Challo]

simon800 said:

Challo said:

Jesus christ, you bothered to post all that.

We get it, you dont like ETH.

Lets hope your not McKenna out if we get him and it doesn't go well.

I mean it took a nano second to copy and paste it.....

As I mentioned before, I've never met Erik Ten Hag to know if I like him or not. What I copied and pasted simply appears to be some facts, rather than anyone's opinions or personal judgement.

I get you copy and pasted it, but some of those are pathetic. You could do that about every manager.

The fact that someone (not you) compiled those is a tad embarrassing. It's like they had an agenda and trawled though everything to back up their argument.

The facts are he had a good first season and possibly overachieved. The second season he has tried to change things and it's not worked out and gone from bad to worse.

If INEOS feel they want to go in a different direction then so be it. They have put their head on the chopping block and if it doesn't go well you can see the media and social media fans piling on.

Let's hope they have thick skin

Edited by Challo on Friday 24th May 19:02

[and31]

simon800 said:

and31 said:

Ineos will do things properly, etc etc-if this news is actually true it makes them look like a proper shower of s

What about if the news didn’t come from them?

Then quite simply they are not doing things properly or there would be no leaks/story

[bstb3]

Challo said:

If INEOS feel they want to go in a different direction then so be it. They have put their head on the chopping block and if it doesn't go well you can see the media and social media fans piling on.

Let's hope they have thick skin

Edited by Challo on Friday 24th May 19:02

Yeah, it seems like the leak as such may have come from Chelsea direction, finding out from the McKenna camp. Either way they've contributed to this and if we get a battering tomorrow it's going to reflect on them. Not a great start.

[simon800]

Challo said:

The facts are he had a good first season and possibly overachieved. The second season he has tried to change things and it's not worked out and gone from bad to worse.

Edited by Challo on Friday 24th May 19:02

There were some massive glaring red flags in his first season. Huge ones.

The fact that season 2 has been woeful wouldn’t be a surprise considering those red flags.

I’m sure INEOS are looking at the entire 2 years of Ten Hag, and have sensibly reached the conclusion that was obvious several months ago.

[Daz68]

simon800 said:

Challo said:

The facts are he had a good first season and possibly overachieved. The second season he has tried to change things and it's not worked out and gone from bad to worse.

Edited by Challo on Friday 24th May 19:02

There were some massive glaring red flags in his first season. Huge ones.

The fact that season 2 has been woeful wouldn’t be a surprise considering those red flags.

I’m sure INEOS are looking at the entire 2 years of Ten Hag, and have sensibly reached the conclusion that was obvious several months ago.

His tactics in some games have been shocking. Playing players in wrong positions and then blaming them for his poor decisions was never going to end well.

[and31]

simon800 said:

Challo said:

The facts are he had a good first season and possibly overachieved. The second season he has tried to change things and it's not worked out and gone from bad to worse.

Edited by Challo on Friday 24th May 19:02

There were some massive glaring red flags in his first season. Huge ones.

The fact that season 2 has been woeful wouldn’t be a surprise considering those red flags.

I’m sure INEOS are looking at the entire 2 years of Ten Hag, and have sensibly reached the conclusion that was obvious several months ago.

How long will you give the next “ long term project” manager?
Did you voice your concerns after the first seasons massive red flags or is it hindsight?
You are great at copying and pasting, stick up your concerns about these massive red flags when last season ended …