Lake Vostok finally reached

Lake Vostok finally reached

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bigandclever

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240 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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msn said:
Scientists have reached Antarctica's largest icebound freshwater lake hidden for millions of years under miles of ice.

A team from Russia's Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute reached Lake Vostok on Sunday after more than two decades of drilling. The discovery has been avidly anticipated by scientists around the world, who hope that the lake, comparable in area to Lake Ontario, may contain microbial life and provide a clue in the search for life on other planets in similar conditions.

The project has drawn fears that lubricants and antifreeze used in the drilling may contaminate the pristine lake. Russian researchers have argued that the water from the lake would rush up the borehole driven by a jump in pressure, safely sealing pollutants.

The breakthrough may also provide precious material that would help look for life on ice-crust moons of Jupiter and Saturn or under Mars' polar ice caps where conditions could be similar. "There is no other place on Earth that has been in isolation for more than 20 million years," said researcher [sic]. "It's a meeting with the unknown."

He said that scientists hope to find primeval bacteria that could expand the human knowledge of the origins of life. "We need to see what we have here before we send missions to ice-crust moons, like Jupiter's moon Europa," he said.

Lake Vostok, about 2.4 miles beneath the surface, is the largest in a web of nearly 400 known subglacial lakes in Antarctica, and scientists in other nations hope to follow up with similar projects
Wonder what we'll find down there...?

steveT350C

6,728 posts

163 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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the last honest politician?

Eric Mc

122,341 posts

267 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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They'll find the contaminated water they themselves have introduced - thereby reducing the scientific impact of their work.

Have you seen the ramshackle state of the equipment they are using?

Caruso

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258 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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If the overburden pressure of the ice over the lake is greater than the hydrostatic pressure at the same depth, then they are right and the lake water will rush up the borehole rather than the drilling fluid draining into the lake. It doesn't matter what state their equipment is in, it's simple physics.

Eric Mc

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267 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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What if the pressure isn't enough to do that?

davepoth

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201 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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Eric Mc said:
What if the pressure isn't enough to do that?
There is a lot of ice above it. It's a big lake, so if you take the volume of the borehole and spread it across the whole lake surface, it needs the ice to drop by a very, very small amount for a massive plume of Lake Vostok to fly out.

Eric Mc

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267 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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Will that definitely happen or is it a bit of a gamble by the Russkis?

Halb

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185 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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bigandclever said:
Wonder what we'll find down there...?
NAZIs?

Marf

22,907 posts

243 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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bigandclever said:
Wonder what we'll find down there...?


But seriously, there are bound to be any number of undiscovered creatures down there!

-Z-

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208 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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davepoth said:
There is a lot of ice above it. It's a big lake, so if you take the volume of the borehole and spread it across the whole lake surface, it needs the ice to drop by a very, very small amount for a massive plume of Lake Vostok to fly out.
What if there is gas at the top, as evidenced by them worrying about an explosion, what do they do then?

Halb

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185 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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Marf said:
But seriously, there are bound to be any number of undiscovered creatures down there!
Yeah. Hopefully wormy things like you find in dark caves and other interesting creatures.

jmorgan

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286 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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Maybe the "Thing" was based on a true story....

qube_TA

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247 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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regardless of 'what's down there', how will they study it, do they have a probe or camera they can send down?


marcosgt

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178 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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steveT350C said:
the last first honest politician?
Fixed.

Buff Mchugelarge

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152 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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I know it was a mile or so.. How come it took them so long to drill down?

Could they not have dropped something hot on the floor and be done with it?

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

200 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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yeah, a lump of U-235 would do the trick biggrin

qube_TA

8,402 posts

247 months

Thursday 9th February 2012
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Buff Mchugelarge said:
I know it was a mile or so.. How come it took them so long to drill down?

Could they not have dropped something hot on the floor and be done with it?
The plan is to do that on Europa


hairykrishna

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205 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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SystemParanoia said:
yeah, a lump of U-235 would do the trick biggrin
U235's doesn't self heat (much). A lump of polonium might have done it. How you stop the ice refreezing behind it as the lump of highly radioactive stuff heads rapidly downwards is left as an exercise for the reader.

SystemParanoia

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200 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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just weld a Mining drill tube to it, and lower it as fast as you can attach follow up pipes to it, all the while filling those pipes with antifreeze and letting the lump of hot metal welded to the end keep it all hot.

fk bacteria, we've got a hole to make biggrin lol

Mojocvh

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264 months

Sunday 12th February 2012
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Did they raise their flag on/in it too?