Climate Change - The Scientific Debate

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powerstroke said:

The Excession said:

I'm glad to see you're not sat on the fence, but you're not doing yourself any favours posting in the manner seen here.

Tread softly please.

sorry, point taken ....

A1, maybe have another or two, but step away from the climate threads for the moment, as normally your posts do appear coherent and useful!








I wish it was always that easy

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kerplunk said:

the credibility celebrity of experts is vital as we're trusting them to assess the evidence.

This is where I get upset...

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Blib said:

Might as well close the thread.

That can be arranged...

I don't know whether to laff or cwy.

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Having thought about it, I'm going to laugh because of course we'll all be getting our tax back.

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^^^
I'll second that too.

(I was in the process of typing something very similar).

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dickymint said:

Try reading what your mates have to say behind closed doors


http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/breaking...

ouch....

<2009> Briffa:

I find myself in the strange position of being very skeptical of the quality of all present reconstructions, yet sounding like a pro greenhouse zealot here!
<2775> Jones:

I too don’t see why the schemes should be symmetrical. [b]The temperature ones
certainly will not as we’re choosing the periods to show warming[/b].

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I haven't got the file yet, the russian server appears to be down, so I'm only reading what others are quoting.

Has anyone got a link or perhaps email it to me, it's time to get all this on the torrents.

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turbobloke said:

Jones: "Getting people we know and trust [into IPCC] is vital"

IPCC: BURNT Toast

EFA

It's really hard to imagine that after the last release he would be daft enough to commit that sentiment to email. Paper or a phone call maybe but to email???

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turbobloke said:

I found this site's download link worked better than the earlier links.

http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/11/climategate-2011...

Nope - russian servers still not playing for me.

Any chance you would email me a copy?

Thanks.

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Climategate 2 stuff in here please

Thanks.

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turbobloke said:

Interview: Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner
Claim: That Sea Level Is Rising Is a Total Fraud
"Tide gauging is very complicated, because it gives different answers for wherever you are in the world. But we have to rely on geology when we interpret it. So, for example, those people in the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change], choose Hong Kong, which has six tide gauges, and they choose the record of one, which gives 2.3 mm per year rise of sea level. Every geologist knows that that is a subsiding area. It’s the compaction of sediment; it is the only record which you shouldn’t use."

I'm sat here in amazement looking at a 30 cm ruler, gazing relentlessly at the first 2.3mm.

Having been to the sea side on more than one or two occaisions and seen the waves lapping or crashing at the shore line, I'm wondering just how the fkety fk fk fk you can measure a 2.3mm rise in sea level.

My only conclusion is that these scientists aren't scientists at all, no, they are the Gods of Gods and we should all fall to our knees before them and praise their religion.

I feel sick....

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Oakey said:

furious backpeddalling alert...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1585...

Quoted because the top lines of the article say

"25 November 2011 Last updated at 01:14 GMT
Climate sensitivity to CO2 probed
By Jennifer Carpenter Science reporter, BBC News "

There's some busy little beavers working hard at the BBC tonight!

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turbobloke said:

Very interesting indeed, cooling to 2068. Shouldn't we have believers moaning about the lack of influence from outliers

Indeed, but there are a few interesting criticisms in the comments....

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turbobloke said:

Anything in particular?

bd... now I'm going to have to go read it again properly...

I think there were some remarks made about the timescales, and also about the Fourier analysis made.

Fourier maths is well out of my league, but I understand the priciples as my old fella uses a lot of Fourier analysis in analysing sheer stress on arterial walls.

So, as I understand it Fourier analysis is used to describe wave forms/cycles, be those very short term stretches in your arterial wall due to your heart pumping, or be they much longer climate changes recorded in tree rings - Fourier is what is/can/maybe used.

I think I know what it can describe, how it can describe it, but I'm no where near clued up enough to actually work through the maths.





shame on me

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mybrainhurts said:

If the word SUSTAINABLE gets up your nose, you might like this...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/22/nothing-is-s...

Quietly in my own mind, I've always believed that 'sustainable' just meant you could get a grant for it.

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Guam said:

Unless you are ready to break with your maxim of non disclosure then you are in NO position to criticise others for anonimity are you?

A point which has been made before... on numerous occaisions.

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Guam said:

Hey where was that list when Dean was gracing us his with his prescence demanding such lists lol

Gosh, you're sharp today. I was going to point out that and thought it might be beyond the pale so kept my gob shut.

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Guam said:

Jeez the last time someone issued invites look where that got us

And I am pretty much on my own now lol

ouch.....

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mybrainhurts said:

the article said:

alert the public to the unnecessary risks

WTF is that all about?
I've almost given up reading about this stuff....

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LongQ said:

Criegee biradicals

Do they react quite quickly then?