Manned Spaceflight - the Next 30 Years

Manned Spaceflight - the Next 30 Years

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Eric Mc

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Friday 30th October 2015
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Start another thread on unmanned missions. It's an interesting topic - but it's a different topic.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 4th November 2015
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I'm sure something along those lines will get built - and possibly within the next twenty years. The Orion module is designed to be used with an attached "habitation section" - a bit like the Laboratory section of the US Air Force's cancelled MOL project. Not quite as grandiose as "Hermes" in "The Martian" but I'm sure it could be enlarged and added to as the ISS was.





Eric Mc

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Wednesday 11th November 2015
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It's amazing how important charismatic people with vision are to history - both for good or ill.

It's doubtful if America could have made it to the moon without Von Braun - not just because of his technical input in the design of the Saturn family of rockets, but because of the propaganda campaign for spaceflight he conducted in US magazines, TV, radio and the lecture circuit during the 1950s.

Because he made these efforts, the American public were "prepped" to accept mentally that spaceflight was not something of the distant future, but something that was feasible with the technology being developed at the time.

We need people like Von Braun (without the Nazi/SS background - preferably, of course).

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 11th November 2015
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Especially when you consider how tenuous our own atmosphere is.

My solution - two massive sod off magnets at each Martian pole smile

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 11th November 2015
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With that kind of technology you would probably have an immortal human race and we wouldn't need to be going anywhere.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 12th November 2015
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If we were immortal, we wouldn't need another rock to live on.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 12th November 2015
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No - immortality means nothing can kill you (a la Superman - Kryptonite excepted, of course) - so living in the vacuum of space with no food or water would be perfectly feasible. Although the quality of life might be a bit rubbish.

I was being mildly facetious in the sense that a civilisation that possessed massive engineering skills on a solar system or even galactic scale might very well also have developed technology and medical science to the point where they could live forever.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 12th November 2015
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Now.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 12th November 2015
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NOT a Mars Bar, I suppose.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 12th November 2015
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The lack of magnetic field is definitely an issue - no matter how warm it gets.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 12th November 2015
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We can't.

But someday we might.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 12th November 2015
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That's the baby. Although I seem to remember it wasn't 100% reliable.

Eric Mc

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Friday 13th November 2015
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Yes - I was trying to keep the topic on what we could or should be doing over the next 30 years and what type of craft and missions people might envisage.

Eric Mc

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Friday 13th November 2015
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Which part of the quoted comment is spot on? Anything is possible within the next 30,000 years. I want to discuss the next 30.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 14th November 2015
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Thanks for the clarification.

Going to Mars or other destinations in the solar system in the next 30 years is nothing to do with saving humanity and I never claimed it was. It's about going places - which humans do.

Please, please, please stop trying to drag this thread into debates about the worth of human spaceflight, Start a thread on that yourself if you want to discuss that topic. This thread, I hoped, would be about the technology and the destinations that WILL be used and aimed for in the next few decades.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 14th November 2015
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Ion drive sounds like one solution. It's already been used a couple of times on small unmanned probes. What are the technical difficulties of using bigger and more powerful ion drive engines for manned missions?
Are there any new technologies that need to be developed to allow this or would it just be a matter of using current technology engines but just making them bigger?

Eric Mc

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Sunday 15th November 2015
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hidetheelephants said:
Eric Mc said:
Ion drive sounds like one solution. It's already been used a couple of times on small unmanned probes. What are the technical difficulties of using bigger and more powerful ion drive engines for manned missions?
Are there any new technologies that need to be developed to allow this or would it just be a matter of using current technology engines but just making them bigger?
Ion drives are slowly being made more efficient but the biggest obstacle is the power source; until a practical fusion reactor or perhaps a compact molten salt fission reactor is built we're stuck with powering ion drives from solar panels, RTGs or powercells, none of which have much power density compared to chemical rockets.
Does that matter if the power is applied gradually over a long period of time. From what I understand about ion drives is that you don't need a huge amount of thrust - just a small amount of thrust applied continuously over a long period of time.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 15th November 2015
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What about a hybrid using traditional rocket propulsion to boost the craft to escape velocity and then use the ion drive for continuing acceleration to the destination?

Eric Mc

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Sunday 15th November 2015
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I wonder if anyone has seriously done the sums. Why not use the ion drive in what would normally be the "coast" phase? Surely continuous acceleration during that period would shorten the journey time substantially.

And, depending on your destination, you might be able to use some sort of non braking rocket method of deceleration - such as aerobraking.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 15th November 2015
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Does the power source have to be a nuclear reactor. Solar panels are getting more effective all the time.