Space Launch System - Orion

Space Launch System - Orion

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Eric Mc

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Friday 16th February 2018
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Interesting.

They were obviously concerned about the man-hours (and cost) involved in the old Apollo era methodology of injecting the ablator material into individual honeycomb segments.

I presume it's therefore a one shot heatshield which will have to be replaced before each Orion flies again

Eric Mc

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Thursday 1st March 2018
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AshVX220 said:
MartG said:
Yes - there's a fair bit of equipment to be added to it - left off to reduce the weight to lift by crane
If it was mesh I still wouldn't have the bottle to walk across it (really don't do heights!!). biglaugh
How would you cope with EVA?

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 6th March 2018
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It would be quicker to walk to the moon.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 7th March 2018
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I think I agree with that. The one piece of equipment that is missing from all the current plans is an actual machine that can put people on the surface of the moon and, more importantly, get them back off it again.

Eric Mc

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Monday 19th March 2018
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They need to get a move on.

Eric Mc

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Monday 26th March 2018
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Possibly. It really depends on the gap between the the instigation of SLS missions and the "rivals". If SLS can get going within two years, it will have a purpose. If the gap narrows, it will look increasingly outdated.

I still think Orion itself and the either payloads slated for SLS should proceed - because they could be adapted for launch on whatever heavy lift boosters come along.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 27th March 2018
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They've already adapted it from its original launcher.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 25th April 2018
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The Apollo Lunar Module was probably the most marginal manned spacecraft ever built. I'm not at all surprised that it would not be countenanced in the current era.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 29th April 2018
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I wonder if SpaceX feels the need to release a 106 page document setting out what they plan to do in that kind of detail?

Eric Mc

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Sunday 29th April 2018
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djdest said:
They’re too busy doing it
Probably.

Being state funded, I expect NASA is obliged under Federal Law to issue such documentation. They probably have no choice.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 29th April 2018
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The penalty for having to be accountable to the taxpayer.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 29th April 2018
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Beati Dogu said:
The penalty of being a bureaucracy and a lack of decent management.
I think my explanation will be the correct one.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 29th April 2018
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My issue with Orion and SLS is not so much what they are doing - but the SPEED at which they are doing it.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 29th April 2018
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Nice video on this sort of stuff by Tim Dodds -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoGaSTR3wJ4

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 1st May 2018
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There is a case for a heavy lift booster. That's why the Saturn V was designed and is the thinking behind SLS, BFR and New Armstrong. We have been limited over the past 45 years by not having a single heavy lift booster.

Yes, multiple launches of smaller or medium lift boosters can do some of the job but it does restrict the size of single cargoes and also spreads out the time scale of assembling large structures. The International Space Station would have been assembled a lot quicker - and probably more cheaply - if a heavy lift booster had been available 20 years ago. The modules would also have been much bigger and more versatile (imagine a number of Skylabs bolted together).

Lack of a decent heavy lift booster has done more to hold us back in space exploration over the past four decades than anything else.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 1st May 2018
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And you need a capable big booster to do all that. Werrner Von Braun was not stupid.

Big boosters are what we need to be doing - and there are 3 to 4 in the offing. I don't really care which of the new big boosters get built and flown first. I just want one up and running and available.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Three years?

Where did you get that figure from?

The Apollo missions only took a few days to get to the moon. For example, Apollo 11 launch - July 16 1969. Moon landing - July 20, 1969.

The moon is "only" 240,000 miles away.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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MartG said:
Eric - that was his point. Compared to a mars mission ...
I responded to the wording in his comment - rather than the quote he included. I assumed he was talking about flights to the moon rather than Mars.

So what if a rescue mission takes years. It's no worse than trying to get to Australia in the late 18th Century. We need to readjust out time scales and expectations to a pre mid 19th century setting.

Prior to the advent of the railway and the telegraph (mid 19th century) travel and communications took months and even years. Space travel reintroduces us to something we have kind of forgotten - but which was the norm for most of humanity's history.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 2nd May 2018
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Flooble said:
http://www.anmm.gov.au/Learn/Library-and-Research/...


109 days for the earliest regular trips to Australia
And most of those passengers were never coming back.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 20th May 2018
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Quality control is obviously the problem here - and an issue such as this not really acceptable at this level.