Superglued clutch plate to cover, won’t disengage

Superglued clutch plate to cover, won’t disengage

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E-bmw

9,293 posts

153 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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Richard-D said:
I've also never used an alignment tool. Just eyeball it while you tighten the cover down. So long as everything's concentric it'll be fine.
Me too, not done lots but probably 20 clutches on various cars & never had to use one yet.

steve_bmw

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1,590 posts

176 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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tapkaJohnD said:
Steve-BMW, some Clio have a Dual Mass Flywheel.
If your mate's does, then any of the 'shocking' methods above will damage that, too.

John
It’s a solid flywheel. It will be coming out in a bit so I’ll update

Thanks everyone.

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

110 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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Clutch superglue mess up

Hello all, just done a clutch for a family member on his 02 plate clio 1.2 16v. Got told about the superglue trick to change the clutch without a full gearbox removal. Only trouble is now I can't get any gears so seems that the clutch is not disengaging. I did notice that the new release bearing was slightly tight so not sure which of these two is the fault anyone got an idea. Really don't fancy removing the box again.



Well after giving up and deciding to take it to a garage to get it checked, it goes and fixes it's self. Drove it a few miles and suddenly the clutch freed off. Note to self don't use too much £1 shop superglue on clutches lol

steve_bmw

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1,590 posts

176 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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Penelope Stopit said:
Clutch superglue mess up

Hello all, just done a clutch for a family member on his 02 plate clio 1.2 16v. Got told about the superglue trick to change the clutch without a full gearbox removal. Only trouble is now I can't get any gears so seems that the clutch is not disengaging. I did notice that the new release bearing was slightly tight so not sure which of these two is the fault anyone got an idea. Really don't fancy removing the box again.



Well after giving up and deciding to take it to a garage to get it checked, it goes and fixes it's self. Drove it a few miles and suddenly the clutch freed off. Note to self don't use too much £1 shop superglue on clutches lol
Lol. Sounds like it

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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use some superglue solvent.

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

110 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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steve_bmw said:
Penelope Stopit said:
Clutch superglue mess up

Hello all, just done a clutch for a family member on his 02 plate clio 1.2 16v. Got told about the superglue trick to change the clutch without a full gearbox removal. Only trouble is now I can't get any gears so seems that the clutch is not disengaging. I did notice that the new release bearing was slightly tight so not sure which of these two is the fault anyone got an idea. Really don't fancy removing the box again.



Well after giving up and deciding to take it to a garage to get it checked, it goes and fixes it's self. Drove it a few miles and suddenly the clutch freed off. Note to self don't use too much £1 shop superglue on clutches lol
Lol. Sounds like it
Easily done

A couple of years ago I banged Loctite into the flywheel bolt holes of a crankshaft, bolted the flywheel on and later lay in bed thinking to myself "did the Loctite run out of the holes onto the machined surfaces where the two meet causing the flywheel to be out of alignment"

Good luck sorting it

steve_bmw

Original Poster:

1,590 posts

176 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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Penelope Stopit said:
Clutch superglue mess up

Hello all, just done a clutch for a family member on his 02 plate clio 1.2 16v. Got told about the superglue trick to change the clutch without a full gearbox removal. Only trouble is now I can't get any gears so seems that the clutch is not disengaging. I did notice that the new release bearing was slightly tight so not sure which of these two is the fault anyone got an idea. Really don't fancy removing the box again.



Well after giving up and deciding to take it to a garage to get it checked, it goes and fixes it's self. Drove it a few miles and suddenly the clutch freed off. Note to self don't use too much £1 shop superglue on clutches lol
Lol. Sounds like it

normalbloke

7,479 posts

220 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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Was this a gorilla glue or gorilla superglue? I believe the original gorilla glue expands quite a lot, unlike a regular cyanoacrylate.

steve_bmw

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1,590 posts

176 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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All sorted, took the clutch out and it was stuck solid to the cover.

It was gorilla superglue, and I thought we put too much on by a long way but the contact patch was 5p size.

Unbelievable, that is some super glue lol. I would never have guessed that such little glue was that strong.

Live and learn, had fun along the way, no harm done.


E-bmw

9,293 posts

153 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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Several years ago "Mythbusters" picked up an (American) full-size saloon car by supergluing a pad to the roof & lifting it with a crane, it is strong stuff.

Skyedriver

17,975 posts

283 months

Monday 14th December 2020
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E-bmw said:
Richard-D said:
I've also never used an alignment tool. Just eyeball it while you tighten the cover down. So long as everything's concentric it'll be fine.
Me too, not done lots but probably 20 clutches on various cars & never had to use one yet.
Me three maybe not quite as many as 20 but usually used a long, big screwdriver to line everything up

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

110 months

Tuesday 15th December 2020
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E-bmw said:
Several years ago "Mythbusters" picked up an (American) full-size saloon car by supergluing a pad to the roof & lifting it with a crane, it is strong stuff.
Gluebusters coming to your screen soon

bearman68

4,670 posts

133 months

Tuesday 15th December 2020
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OP, I've used the super glue trick, esp on a BMW where the clutches are self adjusting. I also managed to stick the friction plate solid. The little bugger would not hold when I was trying to get it into position, and then when it did, it was really hard to get off. In the end I pushed it into the yard, reved it up, and dropped the clutch. Made a hell of a bang, and was fine after. Scary stuff, I would never have thought it would have held as much.

If your going to use glue in the future, glue the inside of the friction plate, not the outside. Far less likely to cause these problems.

gazza285

9,839 posts

209 months

Tuesday 15th December 2020
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Glue joints in shear are pretty strong.

LimSlip

800 posts

55 months

Tuesday 15th December 2020
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bearman68 said:
OP, I've used the super glue trick, esp on a BMW where the clutches are self adjusting. I also managed to stick the friction plate solid. The little bugger would not hold when I was trying to get it into position, and then when it did, it was really hard to get off. In the end I pushed it into the yard, reved it up, and dropped the clutch. Made a hell of a bang, and was fine after. Scary stuff, I would never have thought it would have held as much.
How did you managed to drop the clutch when it was already engaged?

HealeyV8

422 posts

79 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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Amazing when ever I try and use this stuff to permanently fix something it never works.

InitialDave

11,978 posts

120 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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LimSlip said:
How did you managed to drop the clutch when it was already engaged?
While the friction plate is glued to the pressure plate, pushing the pedal will still pull it away from the flywheel, so if you do that and release it quickly, the shock of smacking back into the flywheel might crack the glue loose.


Evoluzione

10,345 posts

244 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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Some gearboxes are an utter pig to get on so I've always used the correct tool. As I tend to work on the same types of cars and have a lathe in the workshop it's not difficult to make one. There can be not much worse than hanging off the end of a heavy gearbox on your own, straining your bks off and it not going in. Some kits come with a plastic one supplied.

I've never heard of the glue trick, but it does remind me of an integrale I worked on years ago. They have a fault which causes the transmission oil to leak into the CV joint at the front of the prop. In the past some idiot had tried to cure it by gluing the CV to the output shaft. I couldn't get the thing to shift in the workshop for love nor money so I took it out into the yard and drove it around for a bit.
The damned thing stayed on even with no bolts holding it, so I backed it up into a corner and gave it some revs, dropped the clutch and bang off it went.
Problem was i'd stupidly not put the hoop back round the prop (the one which stops it from hitting the deck) so it dropped down onto the tarmac and ball bearings from the CV went all over the place. I was till chuckling though as I chased them all over the place and put it back together.


anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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I too made the same mistake as you OP doing one on a 1.2 clio, in the end the clutch came back out again, separated with a screw driver / and did it by eye and all was well

LimSlip

800 posts

55 months

Sunday 20th December 2020
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InitialDave said:
LimSlip said:
How did you managed to drop the clutch when it was already engaged?
While the friction plate is glued to the pressure plate, pushing the pedal will still pull it away from the flywheel, so if you do that and release it quickly, the shock of smacking back into the flywheel might crack the glue loose.
"reved it up, and dropped the clutch" Perhaps he forgot to mention that he jacked up the driven wheels, or more likely he just made it up.