Driving Licence confusion.
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So: if my correct total weight limit ( 
) is correctly identified as 8.25 tonnes, who will have a C1E limit of 12 tonnes?
My own example seems to match the other fellows in that we have a pre-'97 car licence with grandfathered C1 entitlement, and a post-'97 class c entitlement.
If I have understood correctly R0G has stated that he should be able to drive a C1E combination weighing up to 12 tonnes, with a C1E and a C1E(107) entitlement on his licence.
) is correctly identified as 8.25 tonnes, who will have a C1E limit of 12 tonnes?My own example seems to match the other fellows in that we have a pre-'97 car licence with grandfathered C1 entitlement, and a post-'97 class c entitlement.
If I have understood correctly R0G has stated that he should be able to drive a C1E combination weighing up to 12 tonnes, with a C1E and a C1E(107) entitlement on his licence.
GC8 said:
So: if my correct total weight limit ( ) is correctly identified as 8.25 tonnes, who will have a C1E limit of 12 tonnes?
My own example seems to match the other fellows in that we have a pre-'97 car licence with grandfathered C1 entitlement, and a post-'97 class c entitlement.
If I have understood correctly R0G has stated that he should be able to drive a C1E combination weighing up to 12 tonnes, with a C1E and a C1E(107) entitlement on his licence.
people who have passed the DSA test for either C1E or C+E ) is correctly identified as 8.25 tonnes, who will have a C1E limit of 12 tonnes?My own example seems to match the other fellows in that we have a pre-'97 car licence with grandfathered C1 entitlement, and a post-'97 class c entitlement.
If I have understood correctly R0G has stated that he should be able to drive a C1E combination weighing up to 12 tonnes, with a C1E and a C1E(107) entitlement on his licence.
GC8 said:
So: if my correct total weight limit ( ) is correctly identified as 8.25 tonnes, who will have a C1E limit of 12 tonnes?
My own example seems to match the other fellows in that we have a pre-'97 car licence with grandfathered C1 entitlement, and a post-'97 class c entitlement.
If I have understood correctly R0G has stated that he should be able to drive a C1E combination weighing up to 12 tonnes, with a C1E and a C1E(107) entitlement on his licence.
Examples .... ) is correctly identified as 8.25 tonnes, who will have a C1E limit of 12 tonnes?My own example seems to match the other fellows in that we have a pre-'97 car licence with grandfathered C1 entitlement, and a post-'97 class c entitlement.
If I have understood correctly R0G has stated that he should be able to drive a C1E combination weighing up to 12 tonnes, with a C1E and a C1E(107) entitlement on his licence.
Pre 97 C1+E
Vehicle 7.5 tonnes GVW + trailer 750 kgs MAM = 8250 kgs
Vehicle 5 tonnes GVW + trailer 3.25 tonnes MAM = 8250 kgs
DSA pass C1+E (covered by C+E)
Vehicle 7.5 tonnes GVW + trailer 6.5 tonnes MAM but max actual weight (GTW) limited to 12 tonnes
GC8 said:
R0G said:
NOTE:- a driver who has a pre 1997 C1 and also passes C will have another hidden C1 as C1 is a subcategory of C - this is also the case for those passing CE who have a pre 1997 C1E but the two C1Es in this case will be different .... see below
C1E = any rigid vehicle not more than 7500 GVW with not more than a total of 9 seats but can tow a trailer of any MAM but restricted to 12000 GTW (actual total weight for both when weighed together)
C1E with 107 restriction code (free for pre 1997 car licence holders) = any rigid vehicle not more than 7500 GVW with not more than a total of 9 seats towing a trailer where the total of the vehicle GVW added to the trailer MAM is not more than 8250 kgs - the higher the trailer MAM then the lower the vehicle GVW must be or vice-versa which allows the 8250 to be flexible
R0G, I have a grandfathered C1 & C1E entitlement and I also have a post '97 C entitlement.C1E = any rigid vehicle not more than 7500 GVW with not more than a total of 9 seats but can tow a trailer of any MAM but restricted to 12000 GTW (actual total weight for both when weighed together)
C1E with 107 restriction code (free for pre 1997 car licence holders) = any rigid vehicle not more than 7500 GVW with not more than a total of 9 seats towing a trailer where the total of the vehicle GVW added to the trailer MAM is not more than 8250 kgs - the higher the trailer MAM then the lower the vehicle GVW must be or vice-versa which allows the 8250 to be flexible
My licence lists C, C1 & C1E (107) meaning that Im limited to 8,250kgs with no obvious 12 tonne entitlment on the C1E (which Ive always wondered about).
Your post has reminded me of this - have I understood it correctly, or should I be limited to 8.25 tonnes?
As we were then.
If he passed the old Class 3 or Class 2 test then surely he will have a grandfathered C+E allowing him to drive drag and draws, and enabling him to exceed the (107) restriction on his 2nd C1 licence group (for others: I have C1 twice on my licence, once due to my grandfathered entitlement and once courtesy of my C entitlement, which expires with my C).
GC8 said:
If he passed the old Class 3 or Class 2 test then surely he will have a grandfathered C+E allowing him to drive drag and draws, and enabling him to exceed the (107) restriction on his 2nd C1 licence group (for others: I have C1 twice on my licence, once due to my grandfathered entitlement and once courtesy of my C entitlement, which expires with my C).
He did not mention that - just that he has a basic pre 1997 licenceI passed my car test in 1978 so have the grandfather right to drive 7.5 tonners. For many years I managed a recovery company so have been through all this regulations many times. Until I changed my address in 1999 I still had the old paper licence, when I recieved my photocard licence it had the 107 restriction code, this was not on the old paper licence it said 12tonnes with no code.
Isuzu said:
GVW on truck 8.250 truck weighs about 2.800 tons and trailer 5.000gvw trailer
If the GVW (not GTW) listed for the truck/unit/mover is 8250kg then that needs a LGV C licence to drive it and if that is the case then with a trailer plated at 5000 the licence needed will be C+EThe actual weight of the vehicle or trailer is irrelevant in regards to licencing issues
Please post what the only the plates state on the truck/mover and the trailer only to get a definitive answer
I've just recently taken the C1+e test in order to legally use my American F350 & 5th wheel trailer, truck gvw 5500kg, trailer gvw 5240, actual weight all up is 8150kg, I already had C1E (107) & dropping the weight limit on the truck wouldn't work due to pin weight, the test was a bit of a joke (for me anyway) as it bears no relationship with what I'm going to be using it for. It is basically a B+E test in a slightly larger vehicle, I took mine using an Iveco Dailly box van (6000kg plated weight) with a 3500kg 12ft box trailer, but it means everything is above board. I do have a copy of a letter from VOSA saying that it's the actual weights not the plated weights that should be used to determine if an offence has been committed, which makes more sense otherwise it's like getting prosecuted for speeding because your car is capable of exceeding the limit.
R0G said:
GC8 said:
If he passed the old Class 3 or Class 2 test then surely he will have a grandfathered C+E allowing him to drive drag and draws, and enabling him to exceed the (107) restriction on his 2nd C1 licence group (for others: I have C1 twice on my licence, once due to my grandfathered entitlement and once courtesy of my C entitlement, which expires with my C).
He did not mention that - just that he has a basic pre 1997 licenceGetragdogleg said:
One lad passed his car test in Feb. 1992, he then went on to do the old Class 2 in october 1997.
shovelheadrob said:
I do have a copy of a letter from VOSA saying that it's the actual weights not the plated weights that should be used to determine if an offence has been committed, which makes more sense otherwise it's like getting prosecuted for speeding because your car is capable of exceeding the limit.
Agreed totally on how it should work, however I know 2 guys who got done in the same wk 1O7 restriction & not even close to the weight, one was even totally empty, 6.5t van (1Ot train) 3.5t trailer so weighing 5t as weighed, but both prosecuted. I down rated the 1Ot train on an Iveco to the 1O7 825Okg on the dvla plate to save issues & let 1O7 restriction drivers drive it, cost something like £28 with dvla. Purely paper work thing no inspection needed.
Edited by iguana on Monday 25th December 18:18
iguana said:
Agreed totally on how it should work, however I know 2 guys who got done in the same wk 1O7 restriction & not even close to the weight, one was even totally empty, 6.5t van (1Ot train) 3.5t trailer so weighing 5t as weighed, but both prosecuted.
I down rated the 1Ot train on an Iveco to the 1O7 825Okg on the dvla plate to save issues & let 1O7 restriction drivers drive it, cost something like £28 with dvla. Purely paper work thing no inspection needed.
That's interesting, did they actually go to court or just accept a fixed penalty? As far as I was aware this hasn't been tested in court. I down rated the 1Ot train on an Iveco to the 1O7 825Okg on the dvla plate to save issues & let 1O7 restriction drivers drive it, cost something like £28 with dvla. Purely paper work thing no inspection needed.
Edited by iguana on Monday 25th December 18:18
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