Towing laws

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midgeman

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501 posts

196 months

Sunday 27th April 2014
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Hi,
My wife and I bought our first caravan last weekend, mainly as it will provide us with better shelter than a tent when away at shows/events.
I have not called the DVLA yet but here's what I am unsure of and wondered if anyone had already confirmed or knew more about it?

I could do with a towing licence and assumed I would need to do one if I wanted to do any towing, looking up the licence classes on DVLA website surprised me as they seem to have changed recently? I passed my test after 1997 and before 2013 (2007) so it seems I could tow a caravan or trailer (over 750kg) as long as it and the towing vehicle don't exceed the 3.5T gross weight limit on a category B licence.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car

Also that the laden trailer must not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-rules/y/car-or-light-veh...

Seems a good excuse to start looking for a Land Rover! I believe the van weighs 900kg

Magic919

14,126 posts

203 months

Sunday 27th April 2014
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surveyor

17,906 posts

186 months

Sunday 27th April 2014
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Not a good excuse to look for a Land Rover - that's more likely to put you over the 3.5 Gross Train Weight.

A quick google shows a Mondeo has a kerb weight of around 1,500 KG. Add 900 KG, and 20 KG payload, your within the 3.5 tonne limit.

Most caravans have a modest payload limit.

midgeman

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501 posts

196 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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That would be more sensible weight wise. Considering a 90 though. A mondeo doesn't get the caravan out of a muddy field when it's rained all week..

Rosscow

8,798 posts

165 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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surveyor said:
Not a good excuse to look for a Land Rover - that's more likely to put you over the 3.5 Gross Train Weight.

A quick google shows a Mondeo has a kerb weight of around 1,500 KG. Add 900 KG, and 20 KG payload, your within the 3.5 tonne limit.

Most caravans have a modest payload limit.
20kg?!

I presume you mean 200kg smile

Rosscow

8,798 posts

165 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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I'm taking my B+E soon, start next week actually.

My A6 gross weight is around 2450kg, and the gross weight of our caravan is 1700 = 4150kg smile

abbotsmike

1,033 posts

147 months

Monday 28th April 2014
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surveyor said:
Not a good excuse to look for a Land Rover - that's more likely to put you over the 3.5 Gross Train Weight.
Yup, the ridiculous piece of logic which means that I can tow a heavier trailer with my seat ibiza than I could with a discovery 3. Go figure!

task

418 posts

173 months

Wednesday 30th April 2014
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I did my towing test due to this crazy logic too. I could have towed the caravan with my old Series 3 Land Rover but not my Range Rover. Crazy.

abbotsmike

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147 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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task said:
I did my towing test due to this crazy logic too. I could have towed the caravan with my old Series 3 Land Rover but not my Range Rover. Crazy.
I plan to do mine at some point, but through being a scout leader I may be doing my D1, then D1E, at which point I get B+E by default!

midgeman

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501 posts

196 months

Friday 2nd May 2014
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Around £500 to do B+E tempted to get it done and save the hassle of what vehicle and weights etc.

I wish I still had my old Series 3. Defenders seem a better investment than gold at the moment! £££

midgeman

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Sunday 11th May 2014
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Our little megane went pop this week, getting a replacement next week an '01 Focus hatch. 1.8 16v zetec (not sure on trim level yet) it has a tow bar though and I'm wondering does anyone think it would be up to the job of towing the caravan? I think it might be tight for the laden/unladen weight rules? But if it would be ok then we might be sorted for a towing vehicle!

abbotsmike

1,033 posts

147 months

Sunday 11th May 2014
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midgeman said:
Our little megane went pop this week, getting a replacement next week an '01 Focus hatch. 1.8 16v zetec (not sure on trim level yet) it has a tow bar though and I'm wondering does anyone think it would be up to the job of towing the caravan? I think it might be tight for the laden/unladen weight rules? But if it would be ok then we might be sorted for a towing vehicle!
Need to find the details online/look at the weight plate/look at the V5 to be sure, and check the weights on the towbar.

According to parkers (not perfect) it can take 1200kg braked. So assuming that is correct, you would be fine towing a 1200kg trailer on a B or B+E license.

The gross weight is unlikely to be above 1600kg, and 1600+1200=2800, which is less than 3500, so you're all good assuming i'm right on the gross weight!

midgeman

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Sunday 11th May 2014
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I believe the laden trailer/caravan has to weigh less than the unladen towing vehicles weight though. I think the van is 900-1000kg not sure what the focus weighs (1200?) but add clothes, some food, water barrel etc and it could be tight if not over unless the car carries it all.

Edited by midgeman on Sunday 11th May 16:41

abbotsmike

1,033 posts

147 months

Sunday 11th May 2014
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midgeman said:
I believe the laden trailer/caravan has to weigh less than the unladen towing vehicles weight though. I think the van is 900-1000kg not sure what the focus weighs (1200?) but add clothes, some food, water barrel etc and it could be tight if not over unless the car carries it all.

Edited by midgeman on Sunday 11th May 16:41
It does, the focus's towing limit is less than its unladen weight.

midgeman

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501 posts

196 months

Saturday 17th May 2014
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I have the opportunity to buy a Mondeo, 2002 2.0 ltr petrol, I'm guessing that would be more suited than the focus but I haven't found any details on weights etc and not been able to have a good look at the car/manuals. Would anyone know what the kerb and MAM weights are please?

Also got the small problem of no plating on the caravan.. sent pictures to Swift to try and get an age and more details of weights but there's definitely no plate or signs of one that's been removed, too early for marked windows too.

abbotsmike

1,033 posts

147 months

Sunday 18th May 2014
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Parkers or towbar manufacturers are the places I look at. Not infallible but it gives you a good idea.

Chrisgr31

13,524 posts

257 months

Sunday 18th May 2014
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midgeman said:
Also got the small problem of no plating on the caravan.. sent pictures to Swift to try and get an age and more details of weights but there's definitely no plate or signs of one that's been removed, too early for marked windows too.
The plate on our caravan is in the gas bottle bay, have you checked in there?

If there is no plate then load it and get a friend with a 4x4 to tow it to the local weighbridge and weigh it. I suggest taking it with a 4x4 to ensure its not too heavy for the vehicle taking it there!

Rosscow

8,798 posts

165 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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Just passed my B+E test!

Stressful - haven't had anything like that since my driving test 15 years ago!

Even my motorbike test seemed easy in comparison.

dirty_dog

676 posts

178 months

Wednesday 28th May 2014
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Me too smile

Rosscow

8,798 posts

165 months

Thursday 29th May 2014
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Good work biggrin