MH advice please!
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r3g said:
What is the high maintenance issue with the Merc V6 in general? I'm assuming your comment about the A Class refers to the access, but that would be the same for any engine fitted to them surely?
Most diesel niggles really, glow plug failure seems to be a common theme I've seen when fitted to motorhomes for some reason.Yes access in the A-Class bodies in terrible generally, but the mercs can be worse with the engine orientation.
Like I say, depending on budget I would not discount the Fiat lump.
Question for nagshead dealer guy if I may : what would you value a 2010 68k Carthago E-line I 47 Chic classic at? Ducato front end with 3.0 manual lump. It's up for £49k but has a ridiculous amount of solar (1.2 kW ! 
), 360Ah lithium, B2B and associated charge controllers/monitoring/wiring which has got to be worth a considerable amount in parts alone. Seem to be very rare models in the UK as I've not been able to find any others for sale or completed. The later E-line Chic models are all A-class library buses. Here's a pic of the exact model for reference: https://www.car.info/en-se/carthago/chic/chic-e-li...
I'm kinda thinking that even £40k would be strong money for a 13-14 year old coach-built of that size without all the mods, but then it is a Carthago which have a bit of a cult following like the Transporters and so have a Carthago badge tax.
), 360Ah lithium, B2B and associated charge controllers/monitoring/wiring which has got to be worth a considerable amount in parts alone. Seem to be very rare models in the UK as I've not been able to find any others for sale or completed. The later E-line Chic models are all A-class library buses. Here's a pic of the exact model for reference: https://www.car.info/en-se/carthago/chic/chic-e-li...I'm kinda thinking that even £40k would be strong money for a 13-14 year old coach-built of that size without all the mods, but then it is a Carthago which have a bit of a cult following like the Transporters and so have a Carthago badge tax.
Edited by r3g on Wednesday 3rd January 04:40
r3g said:
Question for nagshead dealer guy if I may : what would you value a 2010 68k Carthago E-line I 47 Chic classic at? Ducato front end with 3.0 manual lump. It's up for £49k but has a ridiculous amount of solar (1.2 kW ! ), 360Ah lithium, B2B and associated charge controllers/monitoring/wiring which has got to be worth a considerable amount in parts alone. Seem to be very rare models in the UK as I've not been able to find any others for sale or completed. The later E-line Chic models are all A-class library buses. Here's a pic of the exact model for reference: https://www.car.info/en-se/carthago/chic/chic-e-li...
I'm kinda thinking that even £40k would be strong money for a 13-14 year old coach-built of that size without all the mods, but then it is a Carthago which have a bit of a cult following like the Transporters and so have a Carthago badge tax.
that's totally crackers money tbh! ), 360Ah lithium, B2B and associated charge controllers/monitoring/wiring which has got to be worth a considerable amount in parts alone. Seem to be very rare models in the UK as I've not been able to find any others for sale or completed. The later E-line Chic models are all A-class library buses. Here's a pic of the exact model for reference: https://www.car.info/en-se/carthago/chic/chic-e-li...I'm kinda thinking that even £40k would be strong money for a 13-14 year old coach-built of that size without all the mods, but then it is a Carthago which have a bit of a cult following like the Transporters and so have a Carthago badge tax.
Edited by r3g on Wednesday 3rd January 04:40
Low profile carthago of that age are rare
Tbf in the trade older premium vans are actually pretty scary, ypu want a big margin in them as like an older 7 series or S class merc in cars there's lots of kit to go wrong and you can't get spares for a lot of it.
Literally today I valued a vaguely similar van to draw a line of for from, 58 plate Low profile frankia holiday class on a merc , done 60k, I saw it retailing £34-36995 bit we only wanted to give £25-26k in px for it as its just a rare scary expensive lump.
Ironically you'd nearly get the same retail and give more in px for a same age Swift Bolero with a few less miles which is nowhere near the calibre of van.
Big big issue with that carthago is the mileage , tho it's nothing to the vehicle as most larger vans ha e done tiny mileage as soon as they hit 70k they get very hard to sell so to pay that amount for one nearly at that hard to sell price bracket would he brave if you'll ever sell it.
So yeah you are bang on it should be £39995 tops on a good day and it won't be easy to move on.
Good van tho , not knocking that very well built things.
Feel free to drop me a pm any time for a steer on value and what to watch for on anything you see
nagsheadwarrior said:
r3g said:
Question for nagshead dealer guy if I may : what would you value a 2010 68k Carthago E-line I 47 Chic classic at? Ducato front end with 3.0 manual lump. It's up for £49k but has a ridiculous amount of solar (1.2 kW ! ), 360Ah lithium, B2B and associated charge controllers/monitoring/wiring which has got to be worth a considerable amount in parts alone. Seem to be very rare models in the UK as I've not been able to find any others for sale or completed. The later E-line Chic models are all A-class library buses. Here's a pic of the exact model for reference: https://www.car.info/en-se/carthago/chic/chic-e-li...
I'm kinda thinking that even £40k would be strong money for a 13-14 year old coach-built of that size without all the mods, but then it is a Carthago which have a bit of a cult following like the Transporters and so have a Carthago badge tax.
that's totally crackers money tbh! ), 360Ah lithium, B2B and associated charge controllers/monitoring/wiring which has got to be worth a considerable amount in parts alone. Seem to be very rare models in the UK as I've not been able to find any others for sale or completed. The later E-line Chic models are all A-class library buses. Here's a pic of the exact model for reference: https://www.car.info/en-se/carthago/chic/chic-e-li...I'm kinda thinking that even £40k would be strong money for a 13-14 year old coach-built of that size without all the mods, but then it is a Carthago which have a bit of a cult following like the Transporters and so have a Carthago badge tax.
Edited by r3g on Wednesday 3rd January 04:40
Low profile carthago of that age are rare
Tbf in the trade older premium vans are actually pretty scary, ypu want a big margin in them as like an older 7 series or S class merc in cars there's lots of kit to go wrong and you can't get spares for a lot of it.
Literally today I valued a vaguely similar van to draw a line of for from, 58 plate Low profile frankia holiday class on a merc , done 60k, I saw it retailing £34-36995 bit we only wanted to give £25-26k in px for it as its just a rare scary expensive lump.
Ironically you'd nearly get the same retail and give more in px for a same age Swift Bolero with a few less miles which is nowhere near the calibre of van.
Big big issue with that carthago is the mileage , tho it's nothing to the vehicle as most larger vans ha e done tiny mileage as soon as they hit 70k they get very hard to sell so to pay that amount for one nearly at that hard to sell price bracket would he brave if you'll ever sell it.
So yeah you are bang on it should be £39995 tops on a good day and it won't be easy to move on.
Good van tho , not knocking that very well built things.
Feel free to drop me a pm any time for a steer on value and what to watch for on anything you see
nagsheadwarrior said:
that's totally crackers money tbh!
Low profile carthago of that age are rare
Tbf in the trade older premium vans are actually pretty scary, ypu want a big margin in them as like an older 7 series or S class merc in cars there's lots of kit to go wrong and you can't get spares for a lot of it.
Literally today I valued a vaguely similar van to draw a line of for from, 58 plate Low profile frankia holiday class on a merc , done 60k, I saw it retailing £34-36995 bit we only wanted to give £25-26k in px for it as its just a rare scary expensive lump.
Ironically you'd nearly get the same retail and give more in px for a same age Swift Bolero with a few less miles which is nowhere near the calibre of van.
Big big issue with that carthago is the mileage , tho it's nothing to the vehicle as most larger vans ha e done tiny mileage as soon as they hit 70k they get very hard to sell so to pay that amount for one nearly at that hard to sell price bracket would he brave if you'll ever sell it.
So yeah you are bang on it should be £39995 tops on a good day and it won't be easy to move on.
Good van tho , not knocking that very well built things.
Feel free to drop me a pm any time for a steer on value and what to watch for on anything you see
ps- They've lumped thr price up for all the electrics but tbf it doesn't add much value, I've sold a few with lithium of late and don't push the price as tbf most people don't want or need it and from a dealers perspective you don't know how well its been fitted or want the aggro of fixing it when it breaks either lol
Thanks very much Jody(?), You raise several points that I hadn't even considered. I don't want to say too much here in response as you never know who's reading and don't want to jeopardise negotiations if it gets that far.Low profile carthago of that age are rare
Tbf in the trade older premium vans are actually pretty scary, ypu want a big margin in them as like an older 7 series or S class merc in cars there's lots of kit to go wrong and you can't get spares for a lot of it.
Literally today I valued a vaguely similar van to draw a line of for from, 58 plate Low profile frankia holiday class on a merc , done 60k, I saw it retailing £34-36995 bit we only wanted to give £25-26k in px for it as its just a rare scary expensive lump.
Ironically you'd nearly get the same retail and give more in px for a same age Swift Bolero with a few less miles which is nowhere near the calibre of van.
Big big issue with that carthago is the mileage , tho it's nothing to the vehicle as most larger vans ha e done tiny mileage as soon as they hit 70k they get very hard to sell so to pay that amount for one nearly at that hard to sell price bracket would he brave if you'll ever sell it.
So yeah you are bang on it should be £39995 tops on a good day and it won't be easy to move on.
Good van tho , not knocking that very well built things.
Feel free to drop me a pm any time for a steer on value and what to watch for on anything you see
ps- They've lumped thr price up for all the electrics but tbf it doesn't add much value, I've sold a few with lithium of late and don't push the price as tbf most people don't want or need it and from a dealers perspective you don't know how well its been fitted or want the aggro of fixing it when it breaks either lol
It has in fact just recently had a new Alde heater and control unit for the hot water and underfloor rads.. at a cost of £2200 !
Given that LPG water heaters and control panels are generally simple devices, that price seems to be about 10x what they'd actually cost 
, presumably because 'premium marque' tax.Suddenly my silly idea to buy and install a log burner for heating is not such a silly idea after all
Probably enough solar to do water heating duties too! 
r3g said:
Thanks very much Jody(?), You raise several points that I hadn't even considered. I don't want to say too much here in response as you never know who's reading and don't want to jeopardise negotiations if it gets that far.
It has in fact just recently had a new Alde heater and control unit for the hot water and underfloor rads.. at a cost of £2200 ! Given that LPG water heaters and control panels are generally simple devices, that price seems to be about 10x what they'd actually cost , presumably because 'premium marque' tax.
Suddenly my silly idea to buy and install a log burner for heating is not such a silly idea after all Probably enough solar to do water heating duties too!
That's not a bad price for a boiler complete with controls on its own these days. You should see the cost to replace elements in a blown air combi boiler now!It has in fact just recently had a new Alde heater and control unit for the hot water and underfloor rads.. at a cost of £2200 !
Given that LPG water heaters and control panels are generally simple devices, that price seems to be about 10x what they'd actually cost , presumably because 'premium marque' tax.Suddenly my silly idea to buy and install a log burner for heating is not such a silly idea after all
Probably enough solar to do water heating duties too! 
egor110 said:
O/P any further on with your search ?
HNY all ! Not really, took a while for the VW to sell (no surprises) and we've only just started looking again now after all that and the Xmas break etc. Panel vans seem to have gone up even further in price ! We were looking at a Autotrail V line on a dealer site over the last 2 or 3 weeks and it's just jumped up in price by £3K......... It must be the time of year ! 
SomersetWestie said:
egor110 said:
O/P any further on with your search ?
HNY all ! Not really, took a while for the VW to sell (no surprises) and we've only just started looking again now after all that and the Xmas break etc. Panel vans seem to have gone up even further in price ! We were looking at a Autotrail V line on a dealer site over the last 2 or 3 weeks and it's just jumped up in price by £3K......... It must be the time of year ! Re autotrail they seem to do need a fair bit of work done under warranty flip side is we can order the bits quick ( we get a weekly delivery but can also get stuff quicker ) whereas the German companies are like 6-8 weeks for parts .
We've got a v line 610 on 12711 miles up for 49.995 or a tribute 670 on 37,961 for 46,995 or a older hymer car 322 on 28,635 miles for 39,995 if any use .
Edited by egor110 on Sunday 14th January 13:03
SomersetWestie said:
egor110 said:
O/P any further on with your search ?
HNY all ! Not really, took a while for the VW to sell (no surprises) and we've only just started looking again now after all that and the Xmas break etc. Panel vans seem to have gone up even further in price ! We were looking at a Autotrail V line on a dealer site over the last 2 or 3 weeks and it's just jumped up in price by £3K......... It must be the time of year ! Unless they brought it down for December bit I've never worked anywhere that pri es go down and back up again.
Jan's one of the busiest months of the year for sales weirdly
Exeter West Point motprhome show last weekend of the month, not the biggest but worth a look if not too far
nagsheadwarrior said:
SomersetWestie said:
egor110 said:
O/P any further on with your search ?
HNY all ! Not really, took a while for the VW to sell (no surprises) and we've only just started looking again now after all that and the Xmas break etc. Panel vans seem to have gone up even further in price ! We were looking at a Autotrail V line on a dealer site over the last 2 or 3 weeks and it's just jumped up in price by £3K......... It must be the time of year ! Unless they brought it down for December bit I've never worked anywhere that pri es go down and back up again.
Jan's one of the busiest months of the year for sales weirdly
Exeter West Point motprhome show last weekend of the month, not the biggest but worth a look if not too far
egor110 said:
nagsheadwarrior said:
SomersetWestie said:
egor110 said:
O/P any further on with your search ?
HNY all ! Not really, took a while for the VW to sell (no surprises) and we've only just started looking again now after all that and the Xmas break etc. Panel vans seem to have gone up even further in price ! We were looking at a Autotrail V line on a dealer site over the last 2 or 3 weeks and it's just jumped up in price by £3K......... It must be the time of year ! Unless they brought it down for December bit I've never worked anywhere that pri es go down and back up again.
Jan's one of the busiest months of the year for sales weirdly
Exeter West Point motprhome show last weekend of the month, not the biggest but worth a look if not too far
Really helpful tho fair play
nagsheadwarrior said:
egor110 said:
nagsheadwarrior said:
SomersetWestie said:
egor110 said:
O/P any further on with your search ?
HNY all ! Not really, took a while for the VW to sell (no surprises) and we've only just started looking again now after all that and the Xmas break etc. Panel vans seem to have gone up even further in price ! We were looking at a Autotrail V line on a dealer site over the last 2 or 3 weeks and it's just jumped up in price by £3K......... It must be the time of year ! Unless they brought it down for December bit I've never worked anywhere that pri es go down and back up again.
Jan's one of the busiest months of the year for sales weirdly
Exeter West Point motprhome show last weekend of the month, not the biggest but worth a look if not too far
Really helpful tho fair play
Are you from select motorhomes in Devon?
Edited by egor110 on Thursday 18th January 14:22
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